Kyrie

[pokerface]

While I would love to get Kyrie now, we can just hold course and let Bledsoe walk at the end of his contract and use that money to sign Kyrie or whoever else we want to get.

Or maybe Bled stays??

 

[pokerface]

Just say forget it to the Cavs. They're not getting Chriss or Bender (and absolutely not Jackson). I say keep Bledsoe, Warren and the picks. Irving doesn't want to be here. Why potentially throw away much of our future for some headlines and a rich man's Knight (LOL) for two years. It's just stupid.

I agree with this on a surface level but I wonder a few things.

1) How bad do the suns want to resign Warren?

2) If Warren stays do we have a potential logjam at small forward with Warren/Jackson/Bender? I know Bender could can play multiple positions however.

3) Do we have room for yet another couple draft picks next year with our pick and the Miami pick? Yeah we can combine picks and move up though.

4) Do the suns think they have a shot at resigning Irving if they get him? Do they have more potential upgrades to lure him into staying?

 

[Mainstreet]

While I would love to get Kyrie now, we can just hold course and let Bledsoe walk at the end of his contract and use that money to sign Kyrie or whoever else we want to get.

Who is to say what happens in two years.

I think the reason the Suns even think about trading for Kyrie now is that they can lay the table for being a contender in two years. Hopefully Booker, Kyrie, Jackson and another star gets them there.

 

[devilalum]

Then LeBron says on the way out door..."Well bro you could have rot on the suns...at least I showed you the playoffs"

Have you ever been to Cleveland?


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[Mainstreet]

But they may not be better overall teams. LeBron could join a PHX squad that has Devin Booker, Eric Bledsoe, Josh Jackson, LeBron would play the PF spot in that lineup, and say worst case scenario we get Ayton in next year's draft, he plays the C spot. Plus you have Chriss, Bender, Warren, Williams, Reed, Ulis, Chandler (if he is not dealt), Len (if he is re-signed) and Knight to form a very deep bench. They best thing is we could afford LeBron and still have space for another main piece if we need one. Yeah, LAL will have Ball, but who else? Ingram & Randle? Even if they land George, PHX would have a better overall squad. The time line would be moved up because with that team, PHX could have enough depth to at least challenge GS. The James Jones hiring had to at least been partly motivated in attempt to at least make a pitch to LeBron, why in the world else would you sign a guy with no prior experience or name recognition for the job?

It would be a great scenario if things worked out.

However, as we have seen, the Suns have been on the short end of acquiring top free agents. I think this is why they are looking so hard at acquiring Irving now.

 

[Mainstreet]

Have you ever been to Cleveland?

Yup. There are better places to rot than Cleveland.

 

[GatorAZ]

I'm good with a Kyrie/Booker backcourt going forward. Ppl say it'd be the equivalent of Portland but we have cap space and draft picks unlike the Blazers. It's hard to win in this league without taking chances and if he walks in two years I can live with it.

 

[pokerface]

Have you ever been to Cleveland?

Nope...now I don't want to!

 

[pokerface]

I'm good with a Kyrie/Booker backcourt going forward. Ppl say it'd be the equivalent of Portland but we have cap space and draft picks unlike the Blazers. It's hard to win in this league without taking chances and if he walks in two years I can live with it.

I think just out of entertainment value I wouldn't mind Irving. Just to see something different.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm good with a Kyrie/Booker backcourt going forward. Ppl say it'd be the equivalent of Portland but we have cap space and draft picks unlike the Blazers. It's hard to win in this league without taking chances and if he walks in two years I can live with it.

I agree. Sometimes a team has to roll the dice.

Speaking of Portland, a healthy Jusuf Nurkic would have helped the Trail Blazers in the playoffs last season although I'm sure GS would have still won the series handily.

Next season he will be a RFA and they will have to pay him near the max to keep him. They are going to have to trim their roster.

 

[Chaplin]

I think just out of entertainment value I wouldn't mind Irving. Just to see something different.

Don't worry. We'll have new jerseys this season, so you'll see something different.

I'm probably in a minority here, but I'm tired of the Kyrie talk. Will he tip the scales? No. Will he make Phoenix a "more desirable" free agent destination? Maybe, except for the fact that he doesn't make other teammates better.

And really, the difference between Bledsoe and Irving isn't THAT big. But they want Bledsoe along with a young player -- a player drafted in the TOP 5 -- AND a 1st round draft pick?

I'm sorry, maybe you all see something with Kyrie that I don't. I'm happy with sticking with Bledsoe at this point and not mortgaging part of our future to get a guy that may or may not help attract free agents. With his defensive issues, he sure isn't going to get us a lot more wins.

 

[BC867]

Have you ever been to Cleveland?


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I visited the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame a couple of years ago, after visiting my son and daughter-in-law back East a few states away.

And I took the harbor cruise. And drove through Shaker Heights.

That's about it for Cleveland.

 

[pokerface]

Don't worry. We'll have new jerseys this season, so you'll see something different.

I'm probably in a minority here, but I'm tired of the Kyrie talk. Will he tip the scales? No. Will he make Phoenix a "more desirable" free agent destination? Maybe, except for the fact that he doesn't make other teammates better.

And really, the difference between Bledsoe and Irving isn't THAT big. But they want Bledsoe along with a young player -- a player drafted in the TOP 5 -- AND a 1st round draft pick?

I'm sorry, maybe you all see something with Kyrie that I don't. I'm happy with sticking with Bledsoe at this point and not mortgaging part of our future to get a guy that may or may not help attract free agents. With his defensive issues, he sure isn't going to get us a lot more wins.

I can't argue against anything you are saying Chaplin but maybe the suns have bigger more elaborate plans than we realize. If we judge an Irving trade by itself then yeah it doesn't make a lot of sense but if there are other moves after or down the road then maybe things are more clear.

I'm not sold on Irving but it seems the suns have genuine interest...

 

[pokerface]

Ok hypothetical...


If we knew for a FACT that Irving would resign with the suns would that change any naysayers around here?

 

[Errntknght]

Ok hypothetical...


If we knew for a FACT that Irving would resign with the suns would that change any naysayers around here?

No, it definitely wouldn't change my feeling about him. I don't care for his style of play on offense and I like his D much less. He's all about Kyrie, and he'll want the super max when his two years are up - so if I were running the show I wouldn't resign him.

 

[GatorAZ]

No, it definitely wouldn't change my feeling about him. I don't care for his style of play on offense and I like his D much less. He's all about Kyrie, and he'll want the super max when his two years are up - so if I were running the show I wouldn't resign him.

IIRC a player can only get the supermax from his original team.

 

[Hoop Head]

Ok hypothetical...


If we knew for a FACT that Irving would resign with the suns would that change any naysayers around here?

Nope.

One thing that's been mentioned, although briefly, is chasing Cousins this next offseason and I think swapping Bledsoe for Kyrie might hurt our chances there. Bledsoe is good friends with Cousins and a former teammate of his at UK. Cousins has stated his interest in playing with Bledsoe. Now I don't think that alone should keep us from swapping PG's but I think that is something to be considered by some people who believe Kyrie will help us lure other "stars" here.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It's probably all moot anyway. The Suns have established their own value for Kyrie. They made an offer accordingly. Cleveland wants a lot more and supposedly has better offers. Sounds like neither side is going to budge.

Cleveland is probably going to end up taking a lot less for Kyrie from someone else.

 

[Mainstreet]

Nope.

One thing that's been mentioned, although briefly, is chasing Cousins this next offseason and I think swapping Bledsoe for Kyrie might hurt our chances there. Bledsoe is good friends with Cousins and a former teammate of his at UK. Cousins has stated his interest in playing with Bledsoe. Now I don't think that alone should keep us from swapping PG's but I think that is something to be considered by some people who believe Kyrie will help us lure other "stars" here.

So Bledsoe lures Lebron and Cousins to the Suns and we are set.

 

[overseascardfan]

So Bledsoe lures Lebron and Cousins to the Suns and we are set.

Or we do what someone suggested which is actually a good idea. If we don't get LeBron or Cousins, then don't re-sign Bledsoe and go after Kyrie as a FA. Kyrie alone is not going to turn PHX around and if you give up what CLE is asking for him, you could miss out on a stud player in next year's draft.

 

[Mainstreet]

Or we do what someone suggested which is actually a good idea. If we don't get LeBron or Cousins, then don't re-sign Bledsoe and go after Kyrie as a FA. Kyrie alone is not going to turn PHX around and if you give up what CLE is asking for him, you could miss out on a stud player in next year's draft.

I'm not sold on trading for Kyrie, much less sign him as a free agent. It could happen but I'm not sure he is a good fit for the Suns unless they are trying to sign a "star" player.

If the Suns do not trade for him now, they may not need him in two years if they draft and develop their younger players.

 

[Raliu]

All run and screen and catch then pass or shoot the ball, it's Suns style, and modern NBA style.

Kyrie feels happy only when he can stick with the ball and teammates screen or space for him, typical iso player.

If he joins Suns, I believe he will take as many minutes with the ball and shoot as many times as Kobe, then Suns will not win many more games, then he will be disappointed and "make a decision" 2-yr later, leave a bunch of 4~5 yr young players who didn't touch the ball much on court in these 2 years.

So no, I'm not with Kyrie trade, not for any price.

It's almost like sending Dragic to Rockets for Brooks trade, what a nightmare, a future-star-organizer for a contract-to-expire-iso-guard. Just double the mistake.

 

[Matt L]

IIRC a player can only get the supermax from his original team.

Are you saying if another team trades for him, that team could not sign him to a supermax contract after his current contract is up?

 

[Covert Rain]

If we could get assurance he would resign for the MAX? It costs us Bledsoe, a pick, we keep Booker and Jackson? Sign me up and twice on Sunday.

 

[leclerc]

He believes the earth is flat, people.

Huge red flag.