Lakers Trade Fisher

[D-Dogg]

it's a good move talent wise, but the Lakers now literally have NO ONE to stand up to Kobe and pretty much zero in the way of veteran leadership outside of Kobe.

Oh come on, Pau Gasol is now the guy to keep Kob...nevermind, I can't even do it in jest.

 

[D-Dogg]

And as much as Fisher sucked, I think any Laker fan who's truly honest with themselves will be gripping when Ramon Sessions is shooting a key three pointer at the end of a close game as opposed to Fish, who somehow always managed to hit big shots at key times throughout his career.

This is true - I love Fish and will miss him a ton..he was always good for the big shot. Ice water in that little dude's veins. And yes, if you give me the choice of old man fisher with the game on the line and an open look over Ramon, it's fish all damn day.

But it's the other 47:58 that I'm more concerned about.

 

[D-Dogg]

Not that impossible. Fisher is allowing opposing guard scoring of 14.0 Pts per 48. Sessions is allowing 16 pts per 48. So, as bad as you think Fisher is...Sessions has been playing worse according to opposing PG scoring.

I don't believe in stats like that - scoring by position is sooooo unrelated to the actual defense played. It's a combination of factors - for example, Fish will get burned by his guy and saved by Bynum/Pau at the rim making plays. That doesn't show up in stats, but the penetration given up is the problem. Kickouts to shooters also a problem when the PG is burned. You get caught up in switches a lot, especially by design, to create mismatches.

I've been watching Sessions for a couple months now when I can since we've been looking at him, and I've watched Fish forever. Sessions is a better basic defender than Fisher (not hard) and doesn't give up penetration nearly as easily. The stats test is one thing, but the eye test is golden.

 

[Covert Rain]

I don't believe in stats like that - scoring by position is sooooo unrelated to the actual defense played. It's a combination of factors - for example, Fish will get burned by his guy and saved by Bynum/Pau at the rim making plays. That doesn't show up in stats, but the penetration given up is the problem. Kickouts to shooters also a problem when the PG is burned. You get caught up in switches a lot, especially by design, to create mismatches.

I've been watching Sessions for a couple months now when I can since we've been looking at him, and I've watched Fish forever. Sessions is a better basic defender than Fisher (not hard) and doesn't give up penetration nearly as easily. The stats test is one thing, but the eye test is golden.

Oh come on Donald. Unrelated? I can show you correlated stats that support it. It's absolutely related but you can't look at it in a vacuum.

Sessions give up more points to opposing guards per 48, is #50 in the NBA in steals (Fisher 35), has an overall worse back court defensive efficiency rating compared to Lakers pre-trade, averages more turnovers which also impacts team defense and has lost 9 out of the last 15 PG match-ups (Diffeff). That is a major contributing factor as why the Cavs are 25th in the league at defensive efficiency.

That's horrible.

I still think it's a move the Lakers maybe needed because of the offense and I am in no way defending Fisher's play at all. He has not been playing well. Just trying to put some reality into what you are possibly getting on defense.

 

[Lorenzo]

it's a good move talent wise, but the Lakers now literally have NO ONE to stand up to Kobe and pretty much zero in the way of veteran leadership outside of Kobe. And as much as Fisher sucked, I think any Laker fan who's truly honest with themselves will be gripping when Ramon Sessions is shooting a key three pointer at the end of a close game as opposed to Fish, who somehow always managed to hit big shots at key times throughout his career.

I agree with you. If I were the lakers I would have kept fisher as a backup player. he is a veteran leader and is a savy player, kind of like what kidd is to the mavs. he clearly no longer has the ability to score the ball like he once did, but if he is fresh he does have the ability to hit those big shots in the 4th quarter of games and outside of kobe the lakers don't really have that on the perimeter. unfortunately they were desperate to make some type of move and this was the one that they had to make. the lakers really were hurt by the league overriding the chris paul trade. IMO that really set their franchise back regardless of how far they go this year(which won't be a ring in the end).

 

[D-Dogg]

I agree with you. If I were the lakers I would have kept fisher as a backup player. he is a veteran leader and is a savy player, kind of like what kidd is to the mavs. he clearly no longer has the ability to score the ball like he once did, but if he is fresh he does have the ability to hit those big shots in the 4th quarter of games and outside of kobe the lakers don't really have that on the perimeter.

Problem is, Fish wouldn't have been down with that. It was very touchy - Fish would not have gone quietly. Unfortunately, moving him was the only way to bench him. He already was a starter in name only, with Blake taking most of the minutes and playing most of the closing parts of games. Fish would never have played 3rd wheel.

And Sessions looked good last night - the difference in the offense when he was in was striking...and he hadn't even practiced with the team yet. He was second on the team with a +8 behind Bynum's +15.

 

[Beaver]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7...on-rockets-finalizing-buyout-according-source

Derek Fisher is a giant douche. How he holds a leadership position in the players union is beyond me. This is not how you act when traded.

 

[Phrazbit]

If I'm Houston I dont buy him out. I terminate his contract. If Fish has been refusing to communicate with them they have every right to shred his deal and withhold the money.

 

[Mainstreet]

Derek Fisher has reached a buyout agreement with the Rockets.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_derek_fisher_buyout_031812

 

[Mainstreet]

Wow. Derek Fisher gave up his $3.4M salary for 12-13 in buyout. I don't know if he ever gets all that money back even if he signs with a contender for the rest of the season and plays next season.

The link appears not to be working at RealGM.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/219925/Fisher_Gave_Up_Entire_$34M_Salary_For_12_13_In_Buyout

 

[Covert Rain]

Still way to early but Lakers pre-trade were giving up 93.2 PPG (8th best) and since trade are now giving up 102.3 PPG (2nd worst) with these last 3 games almost giving up 100 in each (2 were over 100).

 

[JCSunsfan]

Fisher just signed with OKC.

 

[Folster]

Fisher just signed with OKC.

He just gave me a reason to root against OKC.

 

[Phrazbit]

I dont get it. All Fisher has left is his name. A point guard who cant shoot, pass, or defend. Great pickup OKC.

 

[elindholm]

I dont get it. All Fisher has left is his name. A point guard who cant shoot, pass, or defend. Great pickup OKC.

It keeps him away from other teams, and maybe he'll have some inside scoop on the Lakers if they meet in the playoffs. I assume he'd want to beat them.

 

[Cheesebeef]

It keeps him away from other teams, and maybe he'll have some inside scoop on the Lakers if they meet in the playoffs. I assume he'd want to beat them.

and he's a very good veteran presence on a team with basically none. it's a very good move for the Thunder.

 

[Covert Rain]

and he's a very good veteran presence on a team with basically none. it's a very good move for the Thunder.

Agreed.

 

[Lorenzo]

and he's a very good veteran presence on a team with basically none. it's a very good move for the Thunder.

it is a good move for them. they lost maynor(or however it is spelled) and that can't be replaced. but fisher is a good pickup for them. he probably won't do a lot for them scoring wise, but you never know. and they don't really need scoring, they need veterans that can play tough in the playoffs and fish gives them that option. last year when caron butler blew his knee out I thought the mavericks championship hopes were doomed. they added peja at the trade deadline and it wasn't that big of a move. He didn't do much at all really, but he wound up saving them in game 3 vs the lakers.

 

[Lorenzo]

Still way to early but Lakers pre-trade were giving up 93.2 PPG (8th best) and since trade are now giving up 102.3 PPG (2nd worst) with these last 3 games almost giving up 100 in each (2 were over 100).

let's hope that trend continues tonight. although for the mavs sake I would have rather them kept fisher. he is not a threat to score other than the occasional 3 pointer that he will make here and there.

 

[Bufalay]

If he's still allowed to cheat then he will be a big help for the Thunder.

 

[boisesuns]

A well timed flop can change the course of a playoff game.

 

[Lorenzo]

A well timed flop can change the course of a playoff game.

not if his team is getting swept

 

[boisesuns]

not if his team is getting swept

 

[Lorenzo]

Did you see that game last night...or at least hear about it. K. Love 50 points and the thunder win still. reminded me of a game a few years ago that dallas played against golden state. dirk scored 50 and jrich hit a halfcourt 3 at the buzzer to win.