Lamar Jackson vs Mike Vick: Who is/was a better NFL prospect?

[Lomax to Green 84]

People tend to forget that Michael Vick was the #1 overall pick in the 2001 NFL Draft. Was Vick a better NFL prospect coming out of Virginia Tech back in 01 than Lamar Jackson is coming out of Louisville? Both played in the rugged ACC, both were the best athletes in the field whenever they suited up in college. Lamar Jackson’s overall production in college exceeds Vick’s. Jackson’s passing #’s are better and his running is also equal or better. Vick has come out and said Jackson is a much better player coming out of college then he was.

Before Vick’s fall from grace in 2007, he was the face of the NFL. He was the guy with commercial’s, #1 in Jersey sales, and most importantly the player who struck the most fear into opposing defenses. Vick says Lamar is a better version of him.

Sign me up. The Cards need an identity. Lamar is the guy who transforms the Cards from national irrelevancy to relevant overnight. The most important thing is that I truly believe he transcends the Cardinals offense by his 2nd year. David Johnson and Lamar in the same backfield. Pass, hand off, option, designed QB runs, play action. It’s scary what could happen with that combo.

 

[Buckybird]

In all seriousness what did Vick do for years & years that makes anyone think he was a great QB? Great athlete, great runner, slightly above average passer.

He had some good years throwing the ball, but what stood out mostly was his incredible running skills & cannon arm. Most of his highlights involve him running. Nuff said.

He wasn’t all the accurate, inconsistent & injury prone. Imo I feel LJ is mostly the same game

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

If a GM was promised a Mike Vick clone with the same or better production for 5+ years at pick #15, that GM makes that selection 100 out of 100 times.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

If you have a staff that can work with Lamar's existing flaws, hoping to improve but prepared to design around them, then you take him if all the other attributes you want are there.

 

[Proximo]

Is this a serious question?

Mike Vick could throw an accurate pass. Jackson just throws in a general direction. Watch the tape of him throwing at the combine - it was UGLY.

The fact Vick was the Number 1 qb, and Atlanta traded up to get him, and it is questionable if Jackson even goes in the first round should answer your question.

 

[kerouac9]

In all seriousness what did Vick do for years & years that makes anyone think he was a great QB? Great athlete, great runner, slightly above average passer.

He had some good years throwing the ball, but what stood out mostly was his incredible running skills & cannon arm. Most of his highlights involve him running. Nuff said.

He wasn’t all the accurate, inconsistent & injury prone. Imo I feel LJ is mostly the same game

Who’s saying he’s a great QB? Vick was the first (and only?) QB to beat Favre in the playoffs at Lambeau. He was the prototype for QBs like Kaepernick (Super bowl appearabce), Wilson (Champion), heck, even Andrew Luck to an extent.

The NFL didn’t really know what to do with Vick. Today, enough of the college system has bubbled up to the pros that it’s clear what to do with these talents.

 

[NJCardFan]

Who’s saying he’s a great QB? Vick was the first (and only?) QB to beat Favre in the playoffs at Lambeau. He was the prototype for QBs like Kaepernick (Super bowl appearabce), Wilson (Champion), heck, even Andrew Luck to an extent.

The NFL didn’t really know what to do with Vick. Today, enough of the college system has bubbled up to the pros that it’s clear what to do with these talents.

Not for nothing but beating Favre in the playoffs isn't something to brag about because he usually ends up beating himself.

 

[Shane]

Is this a serious question?

Mike Vick could throw an accurate pass. Jackson just throws in a general direction. Watch the tape of him throwing at the combine - it was UGLY.

The fact Vick was the Number 1 qb, and Atlanta traded up to get him, and it is questionable if Jackson even goes in the first round should answer your question.

Mike Vick was just a shade over 55% comp% as a passer which is pretty bad and you used can throw an accurate pass as an argument?

 

[Shane]

Not for nothing but beating Favre in the playoffs isn't something to brag about because he usually ends up beating himself.

and a team sport pretty sure he didn't do that alone.

 

[Proximo]

Mike Vick was just a shade over 55% comp% as a passer which is pretty bad and you used can throw an accurate pass as an argument?

Look, all I know is Lamar Jackson missed on like half his throws at the combine. I never said Vick was the most accurate guy - but I certainly don't recall him throwing balls 5 feet from his receiver on a regular bases like I saw in Lamar's combine workout.

I do not know what any of you see in this guy. Their is a reason teams want to move him to WR. If you keep him to screen passes, short passes, and scrambling maybe he can handle that, but he is also likely to get killed in a few weeks just like what happened to RG3.

This guy will not succeed in the NFL as a QB.

 

[BW52]

Look, all I know is Lamar Jackson missed on like half his throws at the combine. I never said Vick was the most accurate guy - but I certainly don't recall him throwing balls 5 feet from his receiver on a regular bases like I saw in Lamar's combine workout.

I do not know what any of you see in this guy. Their is a reason teams want to move him to WR. If you keep him to screen passes, short passes, and scrambling maybe he can handle that, but he is also likely to get killed in a few weeks just like what happened to RG3.

This guy will not succeed in the NFL as a QB.

So how many games did you watch Jackson play in this year or any year?Are you basing your opinion on his combine workout only? Everybody is enttitled to their own opinion but i disagree with you.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Mike Vick was just a shade over 55% comp% as a passer which is pretty bad and you used can throw an accurate pass as an argument?

Yup, Vick's accuracy was on par with Elway.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Who’s saying he’s a great QB? Vick was the first (and only?) QB to beat Favre in the playoffs at Lambeau. He was the prototype for QBs like Kaepernick (Super bowl appearabce), Wilson (Champion), heck, even Andrew Luck to an extent.

The NFL didn’t really know what to do with Vick. Today, enough of the college system has bubbled up to the pros that it’s clear what to do with these talents.

Eli beat Favre in the NFC Title game in Lambeau.

 

[Solar7]

If a GM was promised a Mike Vick clone with the same or better production for 5+ years at pick #15, that GM makes that selection 100 out of 100 times.

I wholeheartedly disagree with that. Vick never led his team to anything relevant past two playoff wins. He broke his fibula on a stupid running play in preseason (the same concern we'll have about Jackson) and wasted an entire year. He only started a full 16 game slate once. He never threw for over 3,000 yards, or over 60% completions.

This doesn't mean I'm anti-Jackson, but outside of Vick's awesome highlight reel, he wasn't a truly dominant player.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Scouting Report on Pryor
https://www.sbnation.com/2011/8/21/2376433/terrelle-pryor-supplemental-draft-scouting-report]

Now compare what they say about Lamar

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018ljackson.php

Quarterback A vs Quarterback B, Who is who?

Weaknesses:

• Inaccurate

• Thin frame

• Needs to get stronger for the NFL

• Poor footwork, which leads to inaccuracy

• Too much of one of the guys; could stand to be more of a leader

• vs

• questionable decision making and is too quick to leave the pocket

• accuracy issues because he often breaks the pocket and throws while on the move.

• field vision is underdeveloped.

• serious footwork issues

Read this Lamar Sounds alot more like Terrelle Pryor than he does Vick. I am not againt the pick, if he hits great upside, just he doesnt have the passing skills he needs to translate into a good QB. Id pick him but I really wouldn't be surprised if he busts and moves to WR like Pryor

 

[az jam]

Ridiculous and stupid comparison. Michael Vick ran a 4.33 forty at the combine. His speed and arm strength is far superior to Jackson. He was an elite athlete. Coming out of college there were few in comparison to Vick.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I wholeheartedly disagree with that. Vick never led his team to anything relevant past two playoff wins. He broke his fibula on a stupid running play in preseason (the same concern we'll have about Jackson) and wasted an entire year. He only started a full 16 game slate once. He never threw for over 3,000 yards, or over 60% completions.

This doesn't mean I'm anti-Jackson, but outside of Vick's awesome highlight reel, he wasn't a truly dominant player.

Wrong. He threw for over 3,000 yards twice in Philly...and over 60% once in Philly. He also carried several bad teams and has a career w/l record of 61-51-1...I'd also disagree about him not being dominant. There were a couple of seasons where he was flat out the best player on any field, whenever he played. Vick's problem was that he could have even be better and more consistent, if he had better habits early on in ATL, before the jail time.

IMO, if Jackson favors comparably with Vick, but has his head screwed on straight, he could be huge with the right development.

 

[daves]

Ridiculous and stupid comparison. Michael Vick ran a 4.33 forty at the combine. His speed and arm strength is far superior to Jackson. He was an elite athlete. Coming out of college there were few in comparison to Vick.

Says here Lamar Jackson ran a 4.34" 40.

...dbs

 

[az jam]

Says here Lamar Jackson ran a 4.34" 40.

...dbs

He refused to run the 40 at the Combine.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Statistically, I'd go with Lamar over the dog killer and it's not even close.

Here is Lamar's sophomore season at Louisville (statistically you could argue it was his 2nd best season):

230/409 for a comp of 56.2% and 3,543 yards. 30TD/9INT. 260 rushes, 1,571 yards, 6.0 yard avg, and 21 TD's.

Here is Vick's entire college career at Virginia Tech:

187/332 for a comp of 56.3% and 3.279 yards. 21TD/12INT. 223 rushes, 1,216 yards, 5.5 yard avg, and 17 TD's.

They both spent 3 years in college. Lamar played all 3 seasons. Dog killer was a redshirt and then played 2 seasons. But the two years he played do not even equal either of Lamar's sophomore or junior seasons on their own.

 

[BW52]

Scouting Report on Pryor
https://www.sbnation.com/2011/8/21/2376433/terrelle-pryor-supplemental-draft-scouting-report]

Now compare what they say about Lamar

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018ljackson.php

Quarterback A vs Quarterback B, Who is who?

Weaknesses:

• Inaccurate

• Thin frame

• Needs to get stronger for the NFL

• Poor footwork, which leads to inaccuracy

• Too much of one of the guys; could stand to be more of a leader

• vs

• questionable decision making and is too quick to leave the pocket

• accuracy issues because he often breaks the pocket and throws while on the move.

• field vision is underdeveloped.

• serious footwork issues

Read this Lamar Sounds alot more like Terrelle Pryor than he does Vick. I am not againt the pick, if he hits great upside, just he doesnt have the passing skills he needs to translate into a good QB. Id pick him but I really wouldn't be surprised if he busts and moves to WR like Pryor

So you don`t think NFL coaching can fix or improve any of the flaws any of the QBs have? Or just Lamar Jackson? How about about Josh Allen and his inaccuracy and poor decision making? Is that fixable?Or Baker Mayfields lack of big arm or Mason Rudolph being a big guy with a average arm and poor decisions?

 

[NJCardFan]

and a team sport pretty sure he didn't do that alone.

Have you've seen some of his picks in the playoffs?

 

[BW52]

He refused to run the 40 at the Combine.

So what? Sam Darnold didn`t throw at the combine...does that mean his arm isn`t worth a crap?

 

[GimmedaBall]

Lamar Jackson combine throws:

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LJ interview at the combine:

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Vick breaks down LJ:

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Stephen A. Smith on LJ:

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[HGC]

Look, all I know is Lamar Jackson missed on like half his throws at the combine. I never said Vick was the most accurate guy - but I certainly don't recall him throwing balls 5 feet from his receiver on a regular bases like I saw in Lamar's combine workout.

I do not know what any of you see in this guy. Their is a reason teams want to move him to WR. If you keep him to screen passes, short passes, and scrambling maybe he can handle that, but he is also likely to get killed in a few weeks just like what happened to RG3.

This guy will not succeed in the NFL as a QB.

Hilarious coming from the guy who thinks Kyle Lauletta might be available at 15 and if he is Keim should select him.