Landry Shamet traded to suns for Javon Carter and 29th pick

[GatorAZ]

I'm amazed at how much stock people are putting into a #29 draft pick.

Not really when it’s being compared to two back end rotation guys.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I "think" I posted "statistics" in this thread showing Galloway and Shamet to be very similar players.

Except that they favored shamet in shooting and say nothing about how they actually play. Shamet is bigger and a better ball handler and a better defender from the eye test. Stats are great for comparison if youve never watched the players play.

 

[Finito]

He just turned 36 in May and just finished 5th in MVP voting, was an All-Star, 2nd Team All-NBA, and led this team to the NBA Finals. He wasn't a backup playing 20 minutes a game. But sure, that's the same as paying a backup PG starter money.

yes or no just yes or no.

are Chris Paul’s best days ahead of him?

 

[Chaplin]

Archie Goodwin was our last #29 pick.

 

[Chaplin]

yes or no just yes or no.

are Chris Paul’s best days ahead of him?

No. Who is arguing that they are? We don’t need his best days.

 

[Hoop Head]

yes or no just yes or no.

are Chris Paul’s best days ahead of him?

No

Is there a better option for next season available, yes or no?

 

[Chaplin]

Not really when it’s being compared to two back end rotation guys.

Except Shamet isn’t a backend rotation guy.

 

[GatorAZ]

Except Shamet isn’t a backend rotation guy.

The same guy who was splitting minutes with Mike James? We’ll see.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

yes or no just yes or no.

are Chris Paul’s best days ahead of him?

That’s a silly way to analyze anything.

yes or no was Chris paul just fifth and voting for MVP and the starting PG on the western conference finalist?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The same guy who was splitting minutes with Mike James? We’ll see.

Except he averaged 23 minutes per night in 61 games in a 72 game season, so he really wasn’t “splitting minutes with Mike James,” was he?

 

[Covert Rain]

The same guy who was splitting minutes with Mike James? We’ll see.

Was he splitting time with Mike James in April? If so, sign me up again.

TOR - 10 points / 4 assists
NO - 18 points / 8 assists
MIA - 30 points / 3 assists
CHA - 20 points / 1 assist
PHI - 17 points / 3 assists
MIN - 19 points / 5 assists
CHI - 13 points / 1 assist
CHA - 17 points / 2 assists

 

[1Sun]

What's wrong with that? Paying a guy $3.8 mil/season to hand out water bottles is too much, especially if we can reallocate that money to a position of need.

You saw precisely what was wrong with that from 2011 to 2016 when we didn't have any draft picks that we had developed from 2005-2010.

 

[1Sun]

Lets be real here - If it takes 15 million a year to sign Cam Payne do you think the suns should do it?

I don't. I know that would hurt the team badly, but you can't do really stupid contracts just because we were in the finals.

The Suns can't do it for $15 million. They don't have the cap space. For $10 million, they have to re-sign him. With CP3's advancing age and injury issues, the back-up point guard position on this roster is as important as the starters, so the Suns absolutely need someone capable at that position. If Payne doesn't return, the Suns will have to use the MLE to fill that vital role, which leaves no means to fill the gaping holes in the front court.

 

[Finito]

No. Who is arguing that they are? We don’t need his best days.

to win a championship we are

are you serious?

 

[Finito]

Was he splitting time with Mike James in April? If so, sign me up again.

TOR - 10 points / 4 assists
NO - 18 points / 8 assists
MIA - 30 points / 3 assists
CHA - 20 points / 1 assist
PHI - 17 points / 3 assists
MIN - 19 points / 5 assists
CHI - 13 points / 1 assist
CHA - 17 points / 2 assists

going on Reddit and there message boards there saying he was the best guy off that bench by the end of the year.

 

[95pro]

Wow still can’t believe people are trying to argue

1. this is not a good trade
2. The 29th pick was a contributor
3. Carter is better than Shamet

cmon this is a good trade overall for a team that needs a shooter with a bit of length. He’s great at popping off coming off those screens, a dynamic we didn’t have.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Love this deal can never use to many good combo guards

Honestly never watched shamet can he play def at all or create own shot or mainly spot up?

 

[GatorAZ]

Except he averaged 23 minutes per night in 61 games in a 72 game season, so he really wasn’t “splitting minutes with Mike James,” was he?

Actually I was just looking at the playoffs and both averaged less minutes than Bruce Brown.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Actually I was just looking at the playoffs and both averaged less minutes than Bruce Brown.

also saw his scoring cut in half in the playoffs. wasn't crazy about that when I saw it, but still think he's a slight upgrade to Carter and might actually play with regularity as opposed to popping in and out of the rotation, which will give Book a little more rest in the regular season.

 

[GatorAZ]

also saw his scoring cut in half in the playoffs. wasn't crazy about that when I saw it, but still think he's a slight upgrade to Carter and might actually play with regularity as opposed to popping in and out of the rotation, which will give Book a little more rest in the regular season.

Did he get hurt in game 7 vs Milwaukee? 7 minutes no points/assists…

 

[Raze]

I'm amazed at how much stock people are putting into a #29 draft pick.

I don't think we're putting too much stock into the #29 pick, just debating if we got the best value from the pick. Which I don't think we did, admittedly by a small margin.

Also, there certainly is a little irony to be seen when one discards the #29 pick as useless over a player who was picked #26.

One more thing to add, Keldon Johnson started 67 games for the Spurs last year. He was drafted in 2019 at... you guessed it... #29.

This was a deep draft and there were some good players available that we could have taken at #29. But I'm not bent out of shape about it. I'm as bent out of shape as I was when we drafted Okobo over Graham, Brunson, or Melton.

 

[Chaplin]

to win a championship we are

are you serious?

Yes. You're not going to get "his best" but you're going to get "pretty good" for his age.

 

[Finito]

Yes. You're not going to get "his best" but you're going to get "pretty good" for his age.

so your good with “pretty good” cause to me that ain’t winning a championship and if he’s still playing at that level two years from now I’ll be shocked

 

[AzStevenCal]

so your good with “pretty good” cause to me that ain’t winning a championship and if he’s still playing at that level two years from now I’ll be shocked

So, perfect or nothing?

If we had a better option maybe we'd look at it but I don't think we do. CP is in decline and will likely decline even further. But he's still one of the top PGs in the game and I don't see that changing over the next year or two, barring injury. He's a risk but the way I see it we can either abandon our short term hopes or ride him till he drops.

 

[Cheesebeef]

So, perfect or nothing?

If we had a better option maybe we'd look at it but I don't think we do. CP is in decline and will likely decline even further. But he's still one of the top PGs in the game and I don't see that changing over the next year or two, barring injury. He's a risk but the way I see it we can either abandon our short term hopes or ride him till he drops.

in addition to this, if we’re going to give a MAX contract to Ayton, as @Finito believes we should (as do I), we should expect his game to improve to the point where his ascension (and Booker and Bridges) should offset CP3’s play declining a bit where the team can still be playing at a high level because the young guys keep getting better.

or are we not supposed to expect Ayton and Bridges to get much better even though we’re likely going to pay them like a superstar and star?