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Denver and at least two other teams are interested in Moore. Oddly enough, all are concerned as to why he was waived. There is concern by the interested parties that there could be other issues. This is from a source that is very close to Moore.

Basically, they can't figure out why a guy that is that talented would be waived by the Cards. They worry it's a hidden injury, attitude or drugs.....which isn't the case at all. It's a Green thing.

I don't buy it...

Talented players always get a second chance. Good DTs are some of the hardest players to find. Jonathan Sullivan got a second chance after being a turd all his time in NO and being arrested in the spring, yet the Patriots took a chance on him.

Several teams are desperate for DT. If Moore was so good, he would have been picked up IMHO.
 

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I don't buy it...

Talented players always get a second chance. Good DTs are some of the hardest players to find. Jonathan Sullivan got a second chance after being a turd all his time in NO and being arrested in the spring, yet the Patriots took a chance on him.

Several teams are desperate for DT. If Moore was so good, he would have been picked up IMHO.

Did you see Moore play this year Bach? He was the best DT in training camp...watch the pre-season games, he was in the opposing backfield more than any Cardinal DT in recent memory...he was blowing up plays...and at the the time Dockett wasn't doing much of anything, which prompted me and others to suggest that maybe Moore and Clancy should be the starting DTs.

Well, Dockett got the message because he started playing better than he has in two years (see the Atlanta game) and Moore was only being used sparingly. When he did get on the field, he clogged and penetrated well...but, he had a propensity to jump off-sides.
 

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Did you see Moore play this year Bach? He was the best DT in training camp...watch the pre-season games, he was in the opposing backfield more than any Cardinal DT in recent memory...he was blowing up plays...and at the the time Dockett wasn't doing much of anything, which prompted me and others to suggest that maybe Moore and Clancy should be the starting DTs.

Well, Dockett got the message because he started playing better than he has in two years (see the Atlanta game) and Moore was only being used sparingly. When he did get on the field, he clogged and penetrated well...but, he had a propensity to jump off-sides.

Yes, I did and agree with you that Moore looked very good. I still don't understand why he was cut.

BUT! My point was that talented players get chance after chance, so why hasn't he been picked up by another team? Teams had no problem trading for a known turd charged posseseion of marijuana, but stays away from a player, who's only mistake was being in Green's doghouse. That's the part I don't buy. There has to be more to it.
 
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Yes, I did and agree with you that Moore look very good. I still don't understand why he was cut.

BUT! My point was that talented players get chance after chance, so why hasn't he been picked up by another team? Teams had no problem trading for a known turd charged posseseion of marijuana, but stays away from a player, who's only mistake was being in Green's doghouse. That's the part I don't buy. There has to be more to it.


Uber-talented players get their 3rd, 4th, and 5th chances regardless of what the cost to a team could be (T.O. for example, or since we're talking DT's how about Darrell Russell?).

That said, it could be a case of our loyalty creating a blindside to our talent meter.
 

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Did you see Moore play this year Bach? He was the best DT in training camp...watch the pre-season games, he was in the opposing backfield more than any Cardinal DT in recent memory...he was blowing up plays...and at the the time Dockett wasn't doing much of anything, which prompted me and others to suggest that maybe Moore and Clancy should be the starting DTs.

Well, Dockett got the message because he started playing better than he has in two years (see the Atlanta game) and Moore was only being used sparingly. When he did get on the field, he clogged and penetrated well...but, he had a propensity to jump off-sides.


Huh? He had 2 tackles and 4 false start penalties. Gotten blown up at the LOS constantly and was constantly out of position. He was one of many reasons the Cards couldnt stop the run early on.

The guys is not an NFL quality player. Never will be. Just another thing you try to pin on DG. How personal is this with you? geesh..
 

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Huh? He had 2 tackles and 4 false start penalties. Gotten blown up at the LOS constantly and was constantly out of position. He was one of many reasons the Cards couldnt stop the run early on.

The guys is not an NFL quality player. Never will be. Just another thing you try to pin on DG. How personal is this with you? geesh..

Actually, I agree with Mitch, that Moore was a very good player for a #4 DT on the roster that shouldn't have been cut.

Where I disagree is that this is some kind of conpiracy.
 
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Actually, I agree with Mitch, that Moore was a very good player for a #4 DT on the roster that shouldn't be cut.

Where I disagree is that this is some kind of conpiracy.


Well I am glad you agree, but nothing I saw-other than a few times anticipating the snap count-warranted such hoopla about him. Stats didnt bear it out, his playing time didnt bear it out, and while he was getting significant playing time, the defense couldn't stop the run...

Not sure how people get he was "good"
 

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Huh? He had 2 tackles and 4 false start penalties. Gotten blown up at the LOS constantly and was constantly out of position. He was one of many reasons the Cards couldnt stop the run early on.

The guys is not an NFL quality player. Never will be. Just another thing you try to pin on DG. How personal is this with you? geesh..

I wasn't necessarily pinning this on DG...not if, as suggested, there is an issue with Moore.

No, in fact, I will say this. As bad as Green has been in building the offesnive line, he's been excellent at building the defensive line.
 

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Isn't the salient fact that Watson appears to be better and is younger? Even if this wasn't fully realized before the cut, it still worked out. The more effective player is on the field. As for Moore, I hoped he would be a find for us from the waiver wire. He showed promise but for one reason or another he was cut. That's the way it goes.

We're in a loser's mode right now, second guessing everything and ignoring the positives. What positives? Leinart, an improved offensive line against the pass rush, Hayes, Green, Rolle, Wilson, Dockett, Watson, Cooper, etc.

We have negatives, no question, but it's wearisome to dwell on them, though I understand the frustration of many board contributors.

This isn't life and death for me, so I come to enjoy the company of other people who pay attention to the Cardinals.

I very much enjoy back and forth discussion, but it seems that a few of the most negative are able to dominate the mood of this board. Perhaps I'm wrong and this is simply a place for negative venting. Or, more likely, the disappointment of another terrible start is an emotional obstacle--shaping attitude and through it thought--that only winning will cure.
 

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Anyone notice that the Cards had their best defensive performance of the year with K Clancy out? What does that tell you about his value to the team?

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Anyone notice that the Cards had their best defensive performance of the year with K Clancy out? What does that tell you about his value to the team?

Jake, I saw that Watson was replaced several times to rest. K Clancy and he will make a terrific rotation.
 

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Jake, I saw that Watson was replaced several times to rest. K Clancy and he will make a terrific rotation.

Of course they will, didn't you see the "wink". But I'm more surprised by how well Antonio Smith and Cooper have played in the DT rotation.

I'd wager that Moore became expendable not just because of Watson but also because of Smith and Cooper who bring more speed to the position.
 

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I love the arguement of how good this guy was and he's still unemployed WEEKS after we cut him, including the choice by the second worst run defense in the NFL not to sign him, but to go trade for a DT.

Preseason and training camp performance mean nothing if you suck on Sundays. If it did we would still be starting Brian Gilmore.
 

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