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How in the world do the Cardinals start this pivotal NFC West game short-kicking the kickoff to the number 1 KO returner in the NFL, Pharoh Cooper?

Why in the world does Bruce Arians challenge that there was a fumble on the kickoff when no replay known to mankind can show it? (BA later confessed that Budda Baker talked him into it)

Why in the world on the first run from scrimmage does All-Pro CB Patrick Peterson make no attempt whatsoever to shed his block and try to make a play on Todd Gurley who is running free to his side?

How in the world during the Rams' first drive on a key 3rd down conversion is WR Cooper Kupp left wide open?

How in the world on the first offensive play, on a perfectly executed bootleg does the QB, Blaine Gabbert try to throw the ball deep when (a) he had two open receivers within reasonable throwing distance and (b) he could have run for 12 yards easily (which could have made a statement to the Rams that they had better expect the unexpected0?

How in the world does Lamarcus Joyner intercept the deep pass right in front of WR J.J. Nelson and all Nelson has to do is reach out and bear hug Joyner and pull him to the turf and Nelson makes no effort at all to tackle him?

This is how the Cardinals treated this critical game versus the Rams from the outset---and it epitomizes how inept the coaches are and how soft and undisciplined the players are.

BA said after the game "I never question the guys' effort---we just didn't execute."

Huh?

BTW---if you saw BA's press conference after the game---he didn't look phased in the least that the Cardinals got whooped---and the reporters? Unreal. No tough questions. It almost felt like a love fest.

The toughest question BA faced was "did you try to correct the blocking up the middle after the PAT was blocked?"

BA's answer: "Oh, we had it coached up beautifully, but we didn't execute it."

Hmmm.

Have we heard something like that before?

In 2 games versus the Rams---the young and aggressive team that now has a winning record (9-3) for the first time in 14 years (the franchise that BA publicly branded in 2015 as a perennial 8-8 team) while the Cardinals are sinking to their 2nd consecutive losing season---the Cardinals were outscored 65-16, and neither game was played in LA.

In 2 games versus the Rams, the Cardinals attempted 3 FGs: 1 shanked to start the game in London, 1 made from 54 yards and 1 blocked right up the middle that would have brought the Cardinals within one score of the lead (after a PAT earlier was blocked right up the middle).

The toughest Cardinals on the field today were two of its smallest players: RB Kerwynn Williams (16/97 yes.) who sparked the team back into the game despite playing with sore ribs and S Budda Baker who is coming out of nowhere to make tackles that others around him aren't sure they want to make.

When you look at how tough and physical the Rams are---and you look at how soft, in comparison some of the Cardinals are---the disparity is galling.

Go back and look at Pharoh Cooper return kickoffs and then watch Brittan Golden. Golden crawled his way half-heartedly two times when they kicked it short to him and on the third time he didn't even want to pick up the bouncing ball.

Go back and watch CB Trumaine Johnson make physical plays left and right (7 tackles, 1 pass defended) and then watch Patrick Peterson make zero effort to make even a routine tackle versus the run or a screen. Gurley ran his best runs to Peterson's side. And the 33 yard, backbreaking screen pass in the 4th quarter to Gurley---which CB's side was that run to? You got it. Patrick Peterson's. And watch how Peterson refused to react to the play---in fact, once Gurley got loose and cut back over the middle and the side to side chase was on, Peterson, with all his world class speed never even enters the screen.

When Pharoh Cooper is lined up to field a punt---is Cooper (twice in a row) shouting over to the sideline in a panic to know what the hell is going on?

Go back and look at Jared Goff hang in the pocket---and then go and watch Blaine Gabbert.

Goff stayed poised 85% of the time... Gabbert is about 50/50. He looked way more poised last week---and the Jags' pass rush is better than the Rams'. So, why?

At all too many positions---the Cardinals play like scaredy cats. But the head coach doesn't question their effort and he keeps trotting them back out there. This coaching staff does a lot of tough talking to the media and the head coach is often calling out players to the media, but, for far too many of these players---it makes no difference. Nothing ever happens. And nothing ever changes.

And as for STs? Every team in the league knows it's a big STs day when you play Arizona---like you can kick 70 yard punts from your own goal-line and flip the field. Sh--- like that. You can block 2 kicks on the same strategy. You can find a crease in the punt coverage and exploit it for 30 yards. You can pooch kickoffs down to the 5 yard line and the return man won't even run hard to the point where will barelly get the ball back to the 20, if that.

Kudos to ballers like WR Larry Fitzgerald, LT Jared Veldheer, LG Alex Boone, RT John Wetzel, RB Kerwynn Williams, RB Elijah Penny, FB Evan Boehm, TE Ricky Seals-Jones, TE Troy Niklas, DE Chandler Jones, DE Kareem Martin, LB Josh Bynes, S Budda Baker, S Antoine Bethea and P Andy Lee...they all showed up today...too bad they didn't get more help from their coaches and teammates.
 

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We unsuccessfully challenged the opening kickoff and had a turnover on our first offensive snap.. your 2017 Arizona Cardinals!

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As has been the case for 3 straight years now... we are outmanned and out-coached. Period.
We don’t have nearly enough players to be consistently competitive, and we lack the coaching in just about every unit, needed to provide the foundation for success.
Our oline is simply pathetic . Our WR situation would be even worse if not for #11... Oddly enough, our TE position is perhaps the best it’s been in over a decade or more!
We lack length in our secondary which means guys like Badger and Budda will continue to get beat by taller and more physical WR’s and TE’s. Andy Lee is proving to be better than adequate, but of course, our Punt Coverage still blows. Dawson has been revived but I’d be shocked if he’s back next year... and still we had a PAT and a FG blocked today...
And then there is the QB issue... Man o Man does this team have an endless number of critical holes...
 

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We do have a soft team. Maybe it's because they are old and know it's over along with an old coaching staff that thinks a 12 hour day is to much.
 

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The most important takeaway should be that when we blocked well, we were a decent offense with Gabbert. If a good offensive line = ok Gabbert/running game, then it should also equal an ok rookie QB/running game. We just need to get a good offensive line.
 

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Come on Mitch, just say Peterson and refrain from being sarcastic with the 'all pro' reference which does come across like that due to your prior opinion of him.... and regardless of stats, I think the Rams have a better pass rush than the Jaguars in my opinion
 

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Dead on Mitch! This coaching staff is walking zombie land just like some of its players!

Most of This team lacks toughness, desire, enthusiasm & nastiness!!! That's coaching & a direct reflection of it. This team needs to start drafting players once again like Quan, AW, Larry & DD to turn the infected attitude of losing around ASAP.

As you say "how in the world" does any fan, Michael B & Keim accept what we are seeing on the field? It all starts at the top, BA & his staff. I've been dying to hear of a coach or player dump the Gatorade or go off in the locker room
 
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No place for this but I have to give it to Seattle they have had reasons to lay down this year and they keep fighting. Good game going on right now.
 

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Yep. Mitch is dead on tonight. Soft is not how you play the game.
 

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No place for this but I have to give it to Seattle they have had reasons to lay down this year and they keep fighting. Good game going on right now.
We're still fighting but to a point. Once so many odds are stacked against this Cardinal team, most mail it in. IMO It's contagious as the plague.
 

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Am I mistaken? Why in the world did we stop running behind valdeer and Boone? In “heroes and goats” please make sure Nelson is a goat. He should not see the field again this year. Why in the world is RLS not on the field on the opening drive? I am so sick of seeing 3 yard routes when we need 5 yards for a first down . It’s just as well. Now we can all finally accept the fact that they “can bury us now”.
 

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No place for this but I have to give it to Seattle they have had reasons to lay down this year and they keep fighting. Good game going on right now.


Seattle has a gimmick offense, the gimmick is Russell Wilson and it works. Too bad. I'm sick of them.
 

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Seattle has a gimmick offense, the gimmick is Russell Wilson and it works. Too bad. I'm sick of them.

I call that a mobile QB that can pass in the pocket as well. Plus they show up for a fight.
 

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Seattle has a gimmick offense, the gimmick is Russell Wilson and it works. Too bad. I'm sick of them.
I'll take a gimmick offense & a gimmick QB like Wilson that competes for the playoffs every year any day !

Anyone who think Wilson isn't a very good NFL QB by now is out of their mind IMO.
 

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I call that a mobile QB that can pass in the pocket as well. Plus they show up for a fight.


Looks like Philly has one of those too.

Sorry for thread hijack.
 

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Looks like Philly has one of those too.

Sorry for thread hijack.
Wentz and Peterson screwed the pooch tonight. Wentz fumbling on the one turned into a 14 point turnaround when Seattle scores. Game should have been tied at the very least. Then with a chance of getting the ball back, Peterson fails to challenge the forward pass when Wilson was 8 yards down field was just stupid. It was blatant but my guess is that he didn't want to burn a timeout if they're wrong but it was dumb. Basically took Philly out of it.


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Am I mistaken? Why in the world did we stop running behind valdeer and Boone? In “heroes and goats” please make sure Nelson is a goat. He should not see the field again this year. Why in the world is RLS not on the field on the opening drive? I am so sick of seeing 3 yard routes when we need 5 yards for a first down . It’s just as well. Now we can all finally accept the fact that they “can bury us now”.
Agree on Nelson. He's fast become on of the least reliable WR's in the league.
 

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Mitch, how could you not mention what a ridiculous play Gabbert made to slide short of the 1st down?

Also it was PP that was yelling over to the Cards sideline not Cooper.
 
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Mitch, how could you not mention what a ridiculous play Gabbert made to slide short of the 1st down?

Also it was PP that was yelling over to the Cards sideline not Cooper.

I just did on my post this morning (Gabbert's slide) and said the same thing you did. i think we were typing at the same time!

I meant that Peterson was the one yelling over to the sideline...not once, but twice and he's done it a few times before.
 

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Mitch, how could you not mention what a ridiculous play Gabbert made to slide short of the 1st down?
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The slide Gabbert made is indicative of what you see around you in every day life. Some people want to win and be the best, others are content to be where they are, despite what they might want you to believe.
 

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I just did on my post this morning (Gabbert's slide) and said the same thing you did. i think we were typing at the same time!

I meant that Peterson was the one yelling over to the sideline...not once, but twice and he's done it a few times before.

What’s your beef this time with Peterson Mitch??
 
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What’s your beef this time with Peterson Mitch??

My point was how you don't see Pharoh Cooper yelling over to the Rams' sideline wondering what the play call is, or whatever Peterson was yelling about. It's was criticism mostly of Amos Jones and how disorganized our STs are.
 

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