LAR 32 AZ 16 Analysis

[82CardsGrad]

My point was how you don't see Pharoh Cooper yelling over to the Rams' sideline wondering what the play call is, or whatever Peterson was yelling about. It's was criticism mostly of Amos Jones and how disorganized our STs are.

Got it. Yes, that is 100% on Jones...

 

[gimpy]

I am really torn about this team and coaching. Same coaches (I think) that we had when we won 10,11, and 13 games in consecutive seasons and really liked. I am of the opinion that once you find a coach you like, you keep him, even thru the rough times. But, at the same time, some changes have to be made to show that the staff can change with the times and still put a good product on the field. (I'm not seeing that).

I watch the games, if it is a good game to watch. Most of the games this year have not been fun to watch. After the first quarter yesterday, I quit watching knowing that I would only get really upset.

I saw the non attempt at #14 not trying to tackle on the interception. I saw the two blocked kicking attempts, among other things which just made me tune out and off.

I guess what I am saying, Mitch, is that you have finally swayed me over to your way of thinking. Actually, yours and others on here.

 

[MadCardDisease]

In a nut shell:

A team with their 3rd string QB handing off to their 3rd string RB behind a makeshift OL can't continually make mistakes! The Rams are a good team but far from a great team.

But yet again poor play has done in the Cardinals. Special teams play has been terrible all season and was on full display this past Sunday. More drops from our WR corp. Two bad decisions by Gabbert early in the game. There were just too many mistakes to overcome them all.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I wish you could block certain comments from certain posters but not entire posts.

Mitch, you have an extreme tendency to target certain people or players and harp on them all the time.

Yes we get it, you think Peterson is not a good tackler, but he nearly removes the top target of every team we face.

 

[Mitch]

I wish you could block certain comments from certain posters but not entire posts.

Mitch, you have an extreme tendency to target certain people or players and harp on them all the time.

Yes we get it, you think Peterson is not a good tackler, but he nearly removes the top target of every team we face.

Krang---

Part of the problem with Patrick Peterson is that the defensive philosophy enables him (in his own mind) to strictly cover his man and the heck with anything else---because shutting down the top WR is his pride and joy and it's what he's asked to do. And, in that role, he thrives. No question about that...although, for my liking he's still too handsy behind the 5 yard bump zone and he's penalty prone. But, when he plays clean and fundamentally sound, he is elite.

However, having Patrick Peterson on the other team's best WR causes real problems for the defense in that the other teams then try to exploit the #2 CB and the mismatches the Cardinals have with slot WRs and TEs. This is one of the main reasons why a 2nd string QBs can pass well versus the Cardinals. Any QB can.

WARNING "PATRIOTS" ALERT (for those who can't stand it---please move on to the next thread)

Look at what the Patriots do---they bracket the best WR with their #2 CB and the FS---and they play sticky man with the #1 CB on the #2 WR. So now, neither one of those options is very attractive, is it? And it doesn't put a bull's eye on the #2 CB's jersey. If anything it makes the #2 CB more aggressive because he knows he has built in safety help.

So then the Pats figure that teams will try to beat then with their slot WRs and TE, which is why they draft and acquire quick slot CBs/Ss (Cyrus Jones, Jonathan Jones, Eugene Chung) and taller CBs/Ss (Devin McCourty, Eric Rowe, Duron Harman) to match up on the slot WRs and the TEs.

As for Patrick Peterson's poor efforts to tackle---this is what happens when the HC promotes an under qualified novice to DC who has little to no gravitas with the players, particularly the veterans. Patrick Peterson has been doing whatever the heck he wants---and now others are doing the same because they know they can get away with it, and nothing will happen. Put Peterson on a defense where everyone is expected to tackle---like Ron Rivera's in Carolina or Mike Zimmer's in Minnesota and maybe, just maybe, Patrick Peterson would suddenly remember how to tackle.

My hope is that the next HC and coaching staff will make demands of all the defensive players that everyone is expected to swarm to the ball. No exceptions. No double standards. Because in every work place it is bad for morale if some workers have to constantly do the dirty work while others feel they shouldn't have to.

Playing defense in the NFL is hard enough as it is---if you don;t have all 11 players on the same page and held to the same standards, that defense is going to crack left and right...which is what the Cardinals' defense is doing. 2nd to last in the NFC in scoring defense. Pathetic.

 

[Mitch]

I am really torn about this team and coaching. Same coaches (I think) that we had when we won 10,11, and 13 games in consecutive seasons and really liked. I am of the opinion that once you find a coach you like, you keep him, even thru the rough times. But, at the same time, some changes have to be made to show that the staff can change with the times and still put a good product on the field. (I'm not seeing that).

I watch the games, if it is a good game to watch. Most of the games this year have not been fun to watch. After the first quarter yesterday, I quit watching knowing that I would only get really upset.

I saw the non attempt at #14 not trying to tackle on the interception. I saw the two blocked kicking attempts, among other things which just made me tune out and off.

I guess what I am saying, Mitch, is that you have finally swayed me over to your way of thinking. Actually, yours and others on here.

Gimpy---when you have to turn the TV off during a Cardinals' game knowing it's just going to make you upset---that's when it's time to get a new head coach.

Problem is---today BA is saying that losing the past two years has made him hungrier to come back (even though he said he has't fully made his mind up yet)...and he said that Carson Palmer would come back as the starter.

Not sure how that feels for you---but for me, this is demoralizing to think of another year of the same old sh-- while the rest of the NFC West is zooming right past us.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Gimpy---when you have to turn the TV off during a Cardinals' game knowing it's just going to make you upset---that's when it's time to get a new head coach.

Problem is---today BA is saying that losing the past two years has made him hungrier to come back (even though he said he has't fully made his mind up yet)...and he said that Carson Palmer would come back as the starter.

Not sure how that feels for you---but for me, this is demoralizing to think of another year of the same old sh-- while the rest of the NFC West is zooming right past us.

Losing an all world RB, a decent startimg QB, a good young pass rusher, and two starting OL, and a good starting safety will vastly decrease your chances to win.

Even with every starter healthy, this team is a wildcard team at best. BASK has a legit argument that this team has been snakebit this year.

 

[PJ1]

Another year of BA and wishing on a star would make me sick. Palmer won't stay healthy and if it means Amos comes back also, that is grounds enough to send BA packing. Had some nice stretches with BA but it is time to move on.
If I am MB I am not sure Keim is safe either. When I watch Reddick, Buccanon and Niedemeche out there I am shocked at the return we are getting for all of this draft capital. Throw in a Chad Williams, Harlan Miller etc. and we may need to go the way of the Giants.

 

[gimpy]

I don't know, but I think Arians would have a lot of say on those draft picks? Or, is it all on Keim?

 

[Milgod]

I thought I'd just check in to see if Mitch has had another dig at PP. I don't even need to read the thread to know that he most probably has.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Losing an all world RB, a decent startimg QB, a good young pass rusher, and two starting OL, and a good starting safety will vastly decrease your chances to win.

Even with every starter healthy, this team is a wildcard team at best. BASK has a legit argument that this team has been snakebit this year.

Snakebit for sure. I looked at the September 1 depth chart going into the season and on offense the Cards have 3 players in the same position, Fitz, Gresham, and Shipley. Basically the Cards have 27.7% of their projected offense lining up right now and their projected starting OL never played 1 down together.

Defensively, it's not as bad, but the LB crew has had the biggest changes as losing Golden was huge. I don't think they were counting on Dansby to play as much as he has at his age either and that's hurt. At this point in the year, I bet they were hoping for an active, athletic LB crew of Jones, Buccanon, Reddick, and Golden.

I think they really missed the boat on the DL this year. Nkemdiche hasn't progressed and Rucker/Mauro are more rotational type players.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Snakebit for sure. I looked at the September 1 depth chart going into the season and on offense the Cards have 3 players in the same position, Fitz, Gresham, and Shipley. Basically the Cards have 27.7% of their projected offense lining up right now and their projected starting OL never played 1 down together.

Defensively, it's not as bad, but the LB crew has had the biggest changes as losing Golden was huge. I don't think they were counting on Dansby to play as much as he has at his age either and that's hurt. At this point in the year, I bet they were hoping for an active, athletic LB crew of Jones, Buccanon, Reddick, and Golden.

I think they really missed the boat on the DL this year. Nkemdiche hasn't progressed and Rucker/Mauro are more rotational type players.

Pierre has had his moments. He is a find. Nkemdiche has been a disappointment, but we kind of expected that.