Larry Foster?

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by Rivercard
Speaking of Foster and McGuiness - those are my two favorite beers (Fosters & Guiness). Now if only we can "draft" a guy named (Pilsner) Urquell I'd be in heaven.

Hey I just noticed that this thread was started by Harpo.... another great beer!!!!

 

[marshallrider]

Its funny, so far no one has mentioned Kasper"s name once!
I don't get it?

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by marshallrider
Its funny, so far no one has mentioned Kasper"s name once!
I don't get it?

Kasper has his fans, but I personally don't think he has what it takes to be a legitimate starting NFL wide reciever. My thinking, in part, is that there's a reason that he's been released by two teams in the past two years, and had to be signed off the street.

There's a reason that we drafted two wideouts high in the last draft, and that's because we didn't have a quality stable of wide recievers. That includes Kasper and McAddley, but I think that Sully and Co. were/are banking on Gilmore blossoming into a quality NFL wideout this season.

The Cards definately gambled with the Wr corps this season. How that gamble turns out is the best/most exciting big-picture element of the season!

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by BEERZ
Shane, the guys name is Arnold Jackson, Foster is kinda small but not like Arnold Jackson was...

Foster is atleast built solid like a RB.


Never in my wildest dreams did I think Foster would be named our #1 guy. I have been pretty optomistic that a few guys would beable to do a descent job. Foster as our #1 however makes me ALOT less optomistic...

Sorry Beerz but after three days of looking at Foster I am quite certain that he is nowhere near built like a running back. Bot in any way shap or foem. The guy is small!

 

[Tangodnzr]

I think some of you guys are getting off on some wierd tangents here.

Most indications I've seen and heard have Gilmore and McAddley the planned starters, with Boldin working the slot. From there Johnson, most likely Foster and Kasper having the inside tracks on the other two spots. However those last 2 spots are not locked up by any means. Foster will most likely make the cuts, but even that's not guaranteed yet, and there's no way he is "our number one recever".

I think you are reading too much into the fact that Foster was listed #1 on the depth chart Jim O. posted. Remember, Gilmore is a little dinged and this is only the 1st preseason game.
Just because Foster may be listed #1 on the depth chart for this game, certainly is not the same thing as his being "our #1" receiver going into the start of regular Season.
Unless Gilmore is injured, I'll bet anyone who wants to bet that Gilmore will start the season in that spot.

 

[Wild Card]

Originally posted by marshallrider
Its funny, so far no one has mentioned Kasper"s name once!
I don't get it?

MR:

O.K., I'll mention his name. I think Kevin Kasper gets overlooked plenty in WR discussions, here and elsewhere. Alone among the wideouts, he wasn't drafted, traded for, or signed as a UDFA by the Cardinals.

Instead, he was picked up off waivers on a Friday and played on Sunday, at a point when the Cards receiving corps looked like a MASH unit. Picked up the offense on the fly, played hard, ran back kicks. Did whatever the team needed him to do. You'd think he'd get a little respect.

After all, this is a guy who averaged 26.4 yards-per returning kicks for the Broncos over parts of two seasons, and who looked like their future #3 until he got hurt, and Denver got Ashley Lelie in the 1st round in 2002. Finished 4th in the league for return yards (1,300) last year, when you add up his returns for the Broncos, Seahawks and Cards.

For a mid-season waiver pick-up, he played pretty well at WR, too. Over the Cards' last four games, he went 15-180-3; project those results over a full season, and you've got 60 catches, 720 yards and a dozen scores. Give me those and 26 yards-per-return, and you've got a job.

I think Kasper makes this team. The KR job is his to lose, and I figure he's at least the #6 receiver in camp at this point. Maybe #5, if McAddley doesn't start hanging on to the ball.

WC

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Is there any reason why?

Yes, there's a number of reasons why.

First of all Gilmore and McAddley are the two with the most experience on this team.

It's no secret that Gilmore is highly thought of by Sullivan....and that's what counts most.

All the reports, so far, generally have Boldin pretty much the preferred body at the slot.

Johnson won't start, but will get plenty of time, and is the odds on favorite to return punts.

Those 4 should be the closest things to locks on making the team.

Foster is another hand picked player of Sully's, he and Kasper so far seem to have the inside track on the other 2 spots. (and the Cards have been carrying 6 WR's). Primarily due to their special teams skills.

But no one from the team has ever alluded to the fact that Foster would be our normal #1 receiver. That's pure poppycock.
He's not even a lock to make the team yet, though I think he will.

 

[Sack Daddy]

Originally posted by Rowland Price
The only practice I saw was the Tuesday PM when Foster fumbled away 5 punts. I am still very worried about our WR corp. How we can have a guy who was #4 in Detroit and make him a #1 here does not make sense. I guess Sat night will give us some detail.

I always liked Freeman and was surprised we not make him an offer.

The only reason Foster is currently listed at #1 is because he is a semi-veteran. When the season starts, he'll be somewhere #4-#6. It's only a formality. The guy is a smurf and there is no way he starts. He can help the team, but only in 3 and 4 WR sets. Let's not have everyone get freaked out about how outrageous this is. It's only temporary; meant to give the youngsters a push and a little incentive.

 

[kerouac9]

Let me get this right, Tango:

1. Foster has been pretty much playing non-stop with the first-team offense all through camp.

2. Foster is listed as the starting wide-out for the scrimmage on Saturday.

3. Foster's been in the league the longest of all our wideouts, has more receptions than the rest of our wideouts put together, and has the longest relationship with the offensive coordinator than the other wideouts.

4. Foster has been hand-picked by Sullivan.

Yet, with all four of these facts, you don't think that he's a lock to make this team, much less as a starter?

Umm... okay.

Also, this goes nowhere to addressing the question that I had asked to azcardsfan1616, which is why he's so certain that J. McAddley is a lock to be a starter for the season.

 

[marshallrider]

Sullivan is frickin obsessed with Gilmore and Foster, he treats them like they are his sons,.....what the hell have these guys done in the past, NOTHING. Gilmore has one fricking catch in his pisss poor 3 year career and foster has 14 catches and was buried deep on the roster on one of the worst teams in the league. Great, lets hand these two the starting jobs.

Sullivan talked them up like they were frickin tim brown and jerry rice this summer before they even began to practice and while Gilmore was about 70% still coming off of his injury.
What the hell could Gilmore have shown him over that time?

Sullivan only wants guys that he brings in as "pups" no matter how much talent they have. He wants to turn these pups into ferocious dogs. Gimme a frickin break. These 2 guys are under 6 ft and far under 200lbs. If they were on a different squad they would be kicked to the back of the receiver line each time (like Foster already was), but Sully has a special realtionship with these guys so he has practically handed them the starting wideout job.

You will see, Sully is gonna be kicking himself in the ass once the season starts up and foster and gilmore are getting their asses handed to them by NFL calibur dbs. Neither of these guys have the strength and explosiveness to get off the line on press coverage.

Foster, has been sitting his prissy ass on the sidelines for a total of 7 days this camp nursing a sore toe, and once he returns he will be handed his starting job that he was given in less than of week of practice.
This will show alot about who Sully realy is besides all his BS quotes that he throws out everyday ("I want soldiers, not a bunch of panzies" ...I want the toughets SOB out there on my side......I wnat the guy who I can go to battle with.....blah blah blah)
If this is the case he should find that guy who is busting his ass everyday and give him a shot, forget about the History and who he has coached in the past!

If I am wrong, then you all can tell me to eat my words and I am an idiot, but I highly doubt that will happen.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by kerouac9

Yet, with all four of these facts, you don't think that he's a lock to make this team, much less as a starter?

Also, this goes nowhere to addressing the question that I had asked to azcardsfan1616, which is why he's so certain that J. McAddley is a lock to be a starter for the season.

Oh, I think he will make the team, I think Sack Daddy summed it up very well with his post just prior to yours.
But neither will I say he's a lock.

sorry about your reference to McAddley, you were a little vague on that. Again I don't think McAddley is a lock to start, but I would say barring any big sudden surprise....he will be, at least to start the season, and then until he loses it, if he does.

Also, once again, I will say all will see playing time, especially Gilmore, McAddley, Boldin and Johnson.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by marshallrider
Sullivan is frickin obsessed with Gilmore and Foster, he treats them like they are his sons,.....what the hell have these guys done in the past, NOTHING. Gilmore has one fricking catch in his pisss poor 3 year career and foster has 14 catches and was buried deep on the roster on one of the worst teams in the league. Great, lets hand these two the starting jobs.

Sullivan talked them up like they were frickin tim brown and jerry rice this summer before they even began to practice and while Gilmore was about 70% still coming off of his injury.
What the hell could Gilmore have shown him over that time?

Sullivan only wants guys that he brings in as "pups" no matter how much talent they have. He wants to turn these pups into ferocious dogs. Gimme a frickin break. These 2 guys are under 6 ft and far under 200lbs. If they were on a different squad they would be kicked to the back of the receiver line each time (like Foster already was), but Sully has a special realtionship with these guys so he has practically handed them the starting wideout job.

You will see, Sully is gonna be kicking himself in the ass once the season starts up and foster and gilmore are getting their asses handed to them by NFL calibur dbs. Neither of these guys have the strength and explosiveness to get off the line on press coverage.

Foster, has been sitting his prissy ass on the sidelines for a total of 7 days this camp nursing a sore toe, and once he returns he will be handed his starting job that he was given in less than of week of practice.
This will show alot about who Sully realy is besides all his BS quotes that he throws out everyday ("I want soldiers, not a bunch of panzies" ...I want the toughets SOB out there on my side......I wnat the guy who I can go to battle with.....blah blah blah)
If this is the case he should find that guy who is busting his ass everyday and give him a shot, forget about the History and who he has coached in the past!

If I am wrong, then you all can tell me to eat my words and I am an idiot, but I highly doubt that will happen.

Sounds like you know Sullivan pretty well.

 

[Sack Daddy]

This thread is insane.

Obviously, this must be the first preseason for alot of people. Check on some of the other teams and watch how their depth charts morph. It's all gonna change. Have a beer and relax.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by marshallrider

If I am wrong, then you all can tell me to eat my words and I am an idiot, but I highly doubt that will happen.

I'll say it now.....HERE'S A NAPKIN SO YOU DON'T SOIL YOURSELF EATING CROW. YOU ARE TOTALLY, TOTALLY OFF-BASE and based on your post .....yes you are indeed an IDIOT!!!!

To quote Kerouac....let me see if I have this right....

marshallrider calls out Jerry Sullivan accusing him of ignorance and not knowing what he's doing and disses Sullivan's judgement, implying he knows a lot more than Sully does.

All I can say is.....
AMAZING, SIMPLY AMAZING!!!!!!

 

[marshallrider]

1. Foster has been pretty much playing non-stop with the first-team offense all through camp.

Non-stop!!!!!!!!

Foster has missed the following practices:

Fri Aug. 1st
Sat Aug 2nd
Whole team off on Sun. august 3rd
Tues Aug 5th
Wed Aug 6th
Thur Aug 7th
Fri Aug 8th

2. Foster is listed as the starting wide-out for the scrimmage on Saturday

He looked pretty good in the scrimmage....standing on the sidelines and watching.

3. Foster's been in the league the longest of all our wideouts, has more receptions than the rest of our wideouts put together, and has the longest relationship with the offensive coordinator than the other wideouts.

14 receptions......wow thats a fricking ton.......McCaddley and Kasper both have more.
Although, that is pretty impressive considering Foster has 13 more catches than Gilmore!
I'm happy that Sully and Foster have a wonderful long lasting realtionship...that makes me feel warm and fuzzy!!!!

 

[jmr667]

Originally posted by marshallrider
Sullivan is frickin obsessed with Gilmore and Foster, he treats them like they are his sons,.....what the hell have these guys done in the past, NOTHING. Gilmore has one fricking catch in his pisss poor 3 year career and foster has 14 catches and was buried deep on the roster on one of the worst teams in the league. Great, lets hand these two the starting jobs.

Sullivan talked them up like they were frickin tim brown and jerry rice this summer before they even began to practice and while Gilmore was about 70% still coming off of his injury.
What the hell could Gilmore have shown him over that time?

Sullivan only wants guys that he brings in as "pups" no matter how much talent they have. He wants to turn these pups into ferocious dogs. Gimme a frickin break. These 2 guys are under 6 ft and far under 200lbs. If they were on a different squad they would be kicked to the back of the receiver line each time (like Foster already was), but Sully has a special realtionship with these guys so he has practically handed them the starting wideout job.

You will see, Sully is gonna be kicking himself in the ass once the season starts up and foster and gilmore are getting their asses handed to them by NFL calibur dbs. Neither of these guys have the strength and explosiveness to get off the line on press coverage.

Foster, has been sitting his prissy ass on the sidelines for a total of 7 days this camp nursing a sore toe, and once he returns he will be handed his starting job that he was given in less than of week of practice.
This will show alot about who Sully realy is besides all his BS quotes that he throws out everyday ("I want soldiers, not a bunch of panzies" ...I want the toughets SOB out there on my side......I wnat the guy who I can go to battle with.....blah blah blah)
If this is the case he should find that guy who is busting his ass everyday and give him a shot, forget about the History and who he has coached in the past!

If I am wrong, then you all can tell me to eat my words and I am an idiot, but I highly doubt that will happen.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion but to 2nd guess a guy with Sullivan's track record takes some cajones. Good luck with that.

 

[Harpo]

TANGO SAID......

First of all Gilmore and McAddley are the two with the most experience on this team.

Wow, you really know your stuff!!!!! Gilmore has tons of experience. His one NFL reception is extremely impressive, and definitely qualifies him as a tested veteran, wide receiver. Then we have McAddley who spent the first part of the season on the practice squad, and played in about half of our games. In the real world our 2 most experienced receivers are Foster, who is going into his 4th year, and Kasper in his 3rd. So Foster has been around for 2 more years than McAddley, and Kasper has 3 times as many TD's as Gilmore has catches.

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by kerouac9
My thinking, in part, is that there's a reason that he's been released by two teams in the past two years, and had to be signed off the street.

Couldnt you say the same thing about blake?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Um, okay. That must by why he was the wideout with the most drops in the league last season. Because he's a possession guy. And also that must be the reason that he was a fifth-round pick.

I'm sure he'll be a serviceable wideout, especially with Sullivan's teaching, but he's slipped down the depth chart since the beginning of training camp, and there has to be a reason for that.

For such a marvelous possession reciever, I wonder why his nickname is "McDrop"?

Kerouac why must you continue to say something that is false? McAddley did not lead the league in drops, he didn't even lead this team in drops (David Boston did with 10).

He had a low "catch percentage" for the number of times he was thrown at. That's different than drop stats. We all know that he had a great QB throwing very accurate passes to him.

But the stat could show that he doesn't locate the ball particularly well.

 

[ajcardfan]

This whole thread is a very entertaining debate. Let's face it, we don't have one WR on the roster who has a strong history in the NFL to base being number 1, or 2, or 3 on.

Until these guys start to prove who can be "big dogs" (beginning tomorrow), this debate is like arguing over which chihuahua is the most ferocious!

 

[Sampson]

Larry Foster was actually a very good reciever when he played in the S.E.C. I remember many games where he would dominate and that was against S.E.C. caliber defenses.....Shame he got kicked off the team back then but hopefully he can rekindle the magic he once had when he played for the fighting tigers.......

 

[az240zz]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
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Until these guys start to prove who can be "big dogs" (beginning tomorrow), this debate is like arguing over which chihuahua is the most ferocious!

I think my 14 year old minature greyhound is more ferocious than any chihuahua.