Latest Kolb rumor 6-24-11

[Cardiac]

Doug & Wolf are reporting on a report from Philly 610 AM radio that the deal for Kolb to the Cards is set and we trade DRC for Kolb.

Frustrating that we may never see what the PP7 and DRC duo could have accomplished but at least we don't give up any draft picks.

If true then Mitch will have been the first and lead dog on this scent for quite some time. It also could lead to the "I Like Ike" campaign is paying off.

 

[azmike74]

I'm not sure if I like this move (if it goes through). In my eyes, DRC has shown flashes of being really good. I never cared for his attitude or the fact he seemed unfocused at times.
I haven't seen enough of Kolb to make a good judgment like some other posters have so I can't get into that debate. From what little I have seen, he didn't blow my socks off.

I guess if DRC never improves from here on out and Kolb is decent, this deal could work in our favor. However, I was looking forward to seeing what our secondary could do the next year or two (Wilson, Rhodes, DRC, PP7, Toler, and hoped the kid from Alabama whose name escapes me would improve)

 

[Krangodnzr]

I would have mixed opinions on a straight up DRC for Kolb trade.

On one hand, we lose a dynamic playmaker, who even though he struggles in zone coverage and is a poor tackler, he still creates takeaways on a pretty consistent basis. IMO we haven't seen DRC's ceiling since he's still growing into his frame.

On the other hand, the Cardinals would be getting a young, talented QB prospect who IMO, is a better prospect than all of the QBs in this year's draft. He's also ready to start NOW and has considerable upside.

Additionally I would be excited that we aren't giving up a first rounder next year since if we suck, there is considerable talent in the first round and one of my favorite defensive prospect (Burfict) in years.

Even if we give up DRC, we still have Peterson, Toler, and possibly Mike Adams (underrated). That's not a terrible cornerback group, and there is upside among the top two.

Mark my reaction as mixed, I want Kolb AND DRC, but if it's DRC versus a possible high first rounder next year, then I would probably give up DRC since his flaws are considerable at this point.

 

[john h]

Doug & Wolf are reporting on a report from Philly 610 AM radio that the deal for Kolb to the Cards is set and we trade DRC for Kolb.

Frustrating that we may never see what the PP7 and DRC duo could have accomplished but at least we don't give up any draft picks.

If true then Mitch will have been the first and lead dog on this scent for quite some time. It also could lead to the "I Like Ike" campaign is paying off.

I often wonder where guys like Doug and Wolf get their info. Seems to me this would be illegal if it were true unless the Cards made the deal in the short window that was open. If it were a deal then why would it not be announced. What idiot would give them such info even if it were true? Graves? Maybe its all true but we see so many such rumors that I only believe what I want to believe which has nothing to do with the truth.

 

[azmike74]

Got the below quote from some site called "Bleeding Green". Interesting point about putting DRC and Asante Samuel in the same backfield. It actually might not make sense for Philly.


"But is DRC the guy the team really needs at right corner? We all know the deal with Asante Samuel. Very good cover guy, game changing ball skills and instincts, but not a good tackler. So would it be wise to place a guy that's even worse at tackling across the field from him? That's what would happen with DRC.
According to Football Outsiders, DRC missed almost 19% of the tackles he attempted, which was the worst percentage in the leauge by any defensive back. Plus, he's coming off a down year and judging from some comments made by Cards coach Ken Whisenhunt recently, Arizona doesn't seem entirely in love with him. Teams have never been afraid to throw at him and we've seen him get flat out abused on occasion, with the most infamous being the Superbowl against the Steelers. He was just a rookie then, but opposing teams still do go after him more than you'd expect."


Link here: http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/...minique-rodgers-cromartie-be-a-good-trade-for

 

[Mulli]

I'll take it, but I was looking forward to the potential depth at CB.

 

[O]

Urban weighed in on this rumor yesterday.

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2011/06/23/the-drc-speculation/

 

[PDXChris]

I call Ike Taylor's agent before I finalize the deal. If we can sign Ike, trade DRC straight up for Kolb without losing a draft pick, I will throw away my Rod Graves voodoo doll.

 

[TheCardFan]

Hate the idea...

No way I trade DRC or Peterson.

 

[BigRedRage]

I wouldnt do it, rather lose a draft pick, DRC is good.

 

[redheat]

If its guaranteed that we get Ike I think I'm all for it....

Unless we can do Kolb staight up for a 2nd round pick. DRC has hof skills and seems to be maturing. Hate to see him go.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

If we didn't have to resign Kolb to a major deal as well as trade DRC, I'd consider it. I'd rather trade draft picks.

 

[Mitch]

I am glad it's not Peterson. Aren't you?

Hey---not having to give up any draft picks, especially with the rich 2012 QB draft class---is great!

And the way I look at it is---we get a talented young QB who is about to enter his prime years---and we now have the opportunity to coach this kid up big-time---and this level of commitment at the QB position allows #11 to remain a Cardinal for his entire career.

DRC has great talent---but he's one dimensional and is a liability in forcing the run---as staple for CBs in Horton's defense.

You can bet the Eagles asked for PP7 first---and therefore, if there is verracity to the deal, the Cardinals were able to still get the trade done w/o having to give up Peterson.

This is a win and a very exciting development if it is true.

Both teams get great value on two young potential stars.

 

[Pariah]

If true, it means that Horton doesn't like what he sees from DRC in his scheme, so that softens the blow a bit. But my initial reaction is that I'd rather give up next year's #1.

 

[TJ]

I am glad it's not Peterson. Aren't you?

Hey---not having to give up any draft picks, especially with the rich 2012 QB draft class---is great!

And the way I look at it is---we get a talented young QB who is about to enter his prime years---and we now have the opportunity to coach this kid up big-time---and this level of commitment at the QB position allows #11 to remain a Cardinal for his entire career.

DRC has great talent---but he's one dimensional and is a liability in forcing the run---as staple for CBs in Horton's defense.

You can bet the Eagles asked for PP7 first---and therefore, if there is verracity to the deal, the Cardinals were able to still get the trade done w/o having to give up Peterson.

This is a win and a very exciting development if it is true.

Both teams get great value on two young potential stars.

Wouldn't this be irrelevant if we are trading for a QB now? Especially if the QB turns out to be good?

That being said, I hate the idea of losing DRC. Think about it. PP7 is going to be stellar, but the concern is going to be whether or not he is a better safety than corner on top of the fact that he is a rookie and is going to have to go through the bumps and bruises that inherently come from learning on the fly.

Also, our pass defense has been garbage for...well....a long time. Having two dynamic corners along with two dynamic safties would make it difficult for QBs to pass against us. Subtract our most proven corner and we are left rolling the dice.

The ONLY way I would advocate this move is if a proven, productive pass rusher was signed and there was a contingency plan in place to sign another corner (consider Ike Taylor). Otherwise, I'd focus on trying to negotiate the most favorable deal possible.

The suitors for Kolb largely diminished after the draft when they picked up QBs int he first and second rounds. If we are left as the only team interested, why negotiate against ourselves?

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Trading DRC is not smart,he may have had a down year, vbut he is still better than 90% of CBs in the NFL.

 

[Cardiac]

Wouldn't this be irrelevant if we are trading for a QB now? Especially if the QB turns out to be good?

That being said, I hate the idea of losing DRC. Think about it. PP7 is going to be stellar, but the concern is going to be whether or not he is a better safety than corner on top of the fact that he is a rookie and is going to have to go through the bumps and bruises that inherently come from learning on the fly.

Also, our pass defense has been garbage for...well....a long time. Having two dynamic corners along with two dynamic safties would make it difficult for QBs to pass against us. Subtract our most proven corner and we are left rolling the dice.

The ONLY way I would advocate this move is if a proven, productive pass rusher was signed and there was a contingency plan in place to sign another corner (consider Ike Taylor). Otherwise, I'd focus on trying to negotiate the most favorable deal possible.

The suitors for Kolb largely diminished after the draft when they picked up QBs int he first and second rounds. If we are left as the only team interested, why negotiate against ourselves?

Part of the rumor/though process is that the reason we are the Eagles 1st choice is because of DRC. The Seahawks can only offer a 1st rd pick and the Eagles want a player for this season (window of opportunity to win it all).

Basically I'm just thinking out loud here but our horrible pass defense was with DRC so is he really all that? If DRC continues to play at last seasons level then the deal is a no brainer IMWO. The thing is that I think he will improve and that's why I'm not totally sold on the trade.

Man oh man do we need a QB.

 

[Mulli]

I just had the realization that this smacks of getting rid of DRC after the weak year and replacing him with an untested rookie. Then, when the rookie is in over his head (too much too soon) people turn on him as well.

 

[ActingWild]

I really hope this is not true for a few reasons.

1. DRC has had 1 down year. He was a first round pick that lived up to that in his rookie year and followed that up with a Pro-Bowl selection the following year. He's YOUNG and has a ton of room to improve (and may have got his motivation back after seeing that he's going to have to work and not just rely on his God given talents to succeed).

2. He's at least been tested and we know at worst, he's still a good cover corner. Kolb's body of work is still UNPROVEN to me.

3. We are set right now to have an area of defense that could potentially dominate that side of the ball. Balance is great, but our pass defense could dominate just like our pass offense did with Warner. (At least, that's a real possibility given the talent we'll have back there).

4. If you were to run the draft again, and DRC were in it, what round would he be drafted? I'm saying he's still a first rounder. So, we're still trading a first rounder for Kolb (and then basically using another first round pick on Peterson to replace DRC).

5. Kolb is still going to want a HUGE contract so we'll be tying up a large part of our salary on someone that really hasn't proven anything in this league. I'm okay with that if the Cardinals think he's worth the contract...but I'm not okay trading away a player like DRC (or a 1st rounder) for that risk.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

....and there's the rumour that Philly will be calling Raiders CB Nnamdi Asomugha, one minute into free agency.

 

[az jam]

I prefer to keep DRC. He has tremendous talent and is young. Needs to get tougher. Kolb should not be our only option.

 

[TJ]

Part of the rumor/though process is that the reason we are the Eagles 1st choice is because of DRC. The Seahawks can only offer a 1st rd pick and the Eagles want a player for this season (window of opportunity to win it all).

Basically I'm just thinking out loud here but our horrible pass defense was with DRC so is he really all that? If DRC continues to play at last seasons level then the deal is a no brainer IMWO. The thing is that I think he will improve and that's why I'm not totally sold on the trade.

Man oh man do we need a QB.

Indeed we need QB help, my friend!

I remember last season hearing not just DRC complaining midway through last season about the defensive game plan and organization, but AW as well (one of the leaders on defense). It is easy for a guy like DRC to have mental lapses. He is immature. No two ways about it. But Billy Davis never struck me as the type of guy who would get in a player's face and challenge them to reach the next level.

While Horton is unproven as a DC, just by analyzing his personality, he seems to have the capability of earning the respect of the players on defense and not being afraid to challenge them. He has said good things about DRC. It's hard not to given his God-given talent. If he remains focused and buys into the system, reverting back to the 2009 form (and then some) for DRC is a distinct possibility. I've seen him regarded as a Top 5 corner in this league. I would cringe if that trade went down.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I often wonder where guys like Doug and Wolf get their info. Seems to me this would be illegal if it were true unless the Cards made the deal in the short window that was open. If it were a deal then why would it not be announced. What idiot would give them such info even if it were true? Graves? Maybe its all true but we see so many such rumors that I only believe what I want to believe which has nothing to do with the truth.

They are COMMENTING on a story aired on Philly radio.

It is NOT sourced in AZ.

 

[Cardiac]

I really hope this is not true for a few reasons.

1. DRC has had 1 down year. He was a first round pick that lived up to that in his rookie year and followed that up with a Pro-Bowl selection the following year. He's YOUNG and has a ton of room to improve (and may have got his motivation back after seeing that he's going to have to work and not just rely on his God given talents to succeed).

2. He's at least been tested and we know at worst, he's still a good cover corner. Kolb's body of work is still UNPROVEN to me.

3. We are set right now to have an area of defense that could potentially dominate that side of the ball. Balance is great, but our pass defense could dominate just like our pass offense did with Warner. (At least, that's a real possibility given the talent we'll have back there).

4. If you were to run the draft again, and DRC were in it, what round would he be drafted? I'm saying he's still a first rounder. So, we're still trading a first rounder for Kolb (and then basically using another first round pick on Peterson to replace DRC).

5. Kolb is still going to want a HUGE contract so we'll be tying up a large part of our salary on someone that really hasn't proven anything in this league. I'm okay with that if the Cardinals think he's worth the contract...but I'm not okay trading away a player like DRC (or a 1st rounder) for that risk.

Indeed we need QB help, my friend!

I remember last season hearing not just DRC complaining midway through last season about the defensive game plan and organization, but AW as well (one of the leaders on defense). It is easy for a guy like DRC to have mental lapses. He is immature. No two ways about it. But Billy Davis never struck me as the type of guy who would get in a player's face and challenge them to reach the next level.

While Horton is unproven as a DC, just by analyzing his personality, he seems to have the capability of earning the respect of the players on defense and not being afraid to challenge them. He has said good things about DRC. It's hard not to given his God-given talent. If he remains focused and buys into the system, reverting back to the 2009 form (and then some) for DRC is a distinct possibility. I've seen him regarded as a Top 5 corner in this league. I would cringe if that trade went down.

After reading these 2 posts I'm now on the fence leaning towards voting no on this trade. Very very tough decision.

Bottom line for me is if the Cards do make this trade I'm okay with it because they know better then us if DRC can grow up and work in Horton's scheme.

 

[oaken1]

I have been living here in Baton Rouge for a couple years now and have watched Peterson play more than most...he is good,...IMO he has a high floor...but also IMO his ceiling is nowhere near as high as DRC.....Cromartie has the potential of being Dieon Sanders good....Peterson does not........also,....any who watched the draft could see Peterson was very much less than thrilled to get picked by Arizona so there is a good chance he will only stay for one contract.
As far as Kolb,...well, I have seen him have bad games as well as good....I am not 100% sold that he is a proven commodity...but the ones who are proven are either fading or at their peak, which happens to be lower than Kolb's ceiling....so, wait and see I guess.....
In the end, we need a QB....and a dynamite edge rusher would do worlds more good for our defense than ANY CB