Latest Kolb rumor 6-24-11

[Cardiac]

That might be the smart way to go but these are the Cardinals!!! Usually when it comes to doing the right thing with extensions, we do the total opposite of what common sense says we should do.

We were sooo far below what would be a supposed cap last year that we would have to sign some big ticket FA's or overpay some of our own to reach the 92% that many insiders think teams would have to reach in 2011. IMO Fitz wont extend until he sees what his future looks like with a new QB & even then may not. So who does the $$$ go to? Breaston may leave, Deuce may leave & Branch may also.

Time for Joeshmo to lay so cap numbers on us. Just re-signing Fitz will eat a good junk of cap room. Then we will have plent of money to entice/re-sign Branch, Breaston, Sendlein and Deuce. If any of them all long term deals and based on how they are structured we could use up cap space or save some for other FA's.

How many players do we have signed at this point? Joe always warns us that just because we apparently have a ton of cap space doesn't mean that is reality because of all the roster spots we will need to fill.

I hope Mitch isn't right and we do extend Kolb if we do trade for him. Give him some guarenteed money and roster bonuses etc so that the financial hit will be minimal if he doesn't play as expected. Signing bonus of 7 mill and a
5 mil salary the first 4 years of the deal and roster bonuses of 4 mill each year and incentives thrown in for more bucks. Tweak the figures as you see fit but something like this would work for both parties.

 

[Buckybird]

Time for Joeshmo to lay so cap numbers on us. Just re-signing Fitz will eat a good junk of cap room. Then we will have plent of money to entice/re-sign Branch, Breaston, Sendlein and Deuce. If any of them all long term deals and based on how they are structured we could use up cap space or save some for other FA's.

To think Mr B is gonna shell out $60-80 mil in signings bonuses on extensions in 1 offseason is almost laughable cardiac. Our franchise just doesn't do that...and on top of that possibly pulling the trigger on Kolb & a possible extension...not gonna happen!!!

 

[Buckybird]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=6699864

maybe this well be a close look at our cap $$$

 

[joeshmo]

To think Mr B is gonna shell out $60-80 mil in signings bonuses on extensions in 1 offseason is almost laughable cardiac. Our franchise just doesn't do that...and on top of that possibly pulling the trigger on Kolb & a possible extension...not gonna happen!!!

Here is a dirty little secret about those signing bonuses. They have become so astronomical these days that even the richest teams in the NFL puts in the contracts some sort of payment plan for those "signing bonuses". Even Snyder does payment plans on his huge signing bonuses he passes out. So paying out 60-80 million in signing bonuses in one season isn't what it is cracked up to be these days.

Also do not forget to note that the new TV contracts are slowly kicking in as well as this new proposed Thursday Night package which could bring in more then a billion more each season in revenue sharing.

What I am getting at is 60-80 mill in the last CBA will be chump change in the new one for the owners, including Mr. B.

As for current cap I have already done my 2011 spreadsheet, wont post it until new CBA is done though and details of it come out. I can say that I have a total of $86,774,417 for 41 players. On top of those 41 players will be 5 RFA's, 5 EFA's, and 8 rookies. Only have 3 UFA's who are starters, Lyle, Lutui, and Breaston.

 

[WarnerHOF]

ahahaahaahahahahahhahahahahahahahah Kevin Kolb is worth Joey Porter at best.

 

[Buckybird]

Here is a dirty little secret about those signing bonuses. They have become so astronomical these days that even the richest teams in the NFL puts in the contracts some sort of payment plan for those "signing bonuses". Even Snyder does payment plans on his huge signing bonuses he passes out. So paying out 60-80 million in signing bonuses in one season isn't what it is cracked up to be these days.

Also do not forget to note that the new TV contracts are slowly kicking in as well as this new proposed Thursday Night package which could bring in more then a billion more each season in revenue sharing.

What I am getting at is 60-80 mill in the last CBA will be chump change in the new one for the owners, including Mr. B. As for current cap I have already done my 2011 spreadsheet, wont post it until new CBA is done though and details of it come out. I can say that I have a total of $86,774,417 for 41 players. On top of those 41 players will be 5 RFA's, 5 EFA's, and 8 rookies. Only have 3 UFA's who are starters, Lyle, Lutui, and Breaston.

I'm sure ur probably spot on Joe but Mr B, the Browns & some others operate on a differant planet when it comes extension time. I don't think I'm going out on a limb to say of Breaston, Deuce, Lyle, Fitz, Branch & possibly Kolb no more than 3 & IMO probably 2 get extended past the 2011 season. Thats just the way he operates no matter what he gets from the league. And then there's 2012's FA class staring us in the face...the cycle never changes.

 

[Gee!]

I'm sure ur probably spot on Joe but Mr B, the Browns & some others operate on a differant planet when it comes extension time. I don't think I'm going out on a limb to say of Breaston, Deuce, Lyle, Fitz, Branch & possibly Kolb no more than 3 & IMO probably 2 get extended past the 2011 season. Thats just the way he operates no matter what he gets from the league. And then there's 2012's FA class staring us in the face...the cycle never changes.

Michael B is runnign the show these days.. So these thoughts and angst are obsolete..

 

[Buckybird]

Michael B is runnign the show these days.. So these thoughts and angst are obsolete..

running the show yes...having the finally say on the dough...I don't think so

 

[Gee!]

running the show yes...having the finally say on the dough...I don't think so

i disagree..

 

[Cardiac]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=6699864

maybe this well be a close look at our cap $$$

Thanks for the link, good info and interesting read. It does genenrate more questions for me and at the same time give me hope that we could be players in FA when it happens this year.

Here is a dirty little secret about those signing bonuses. They have become so astronomical these days that even the richest teams in the NFL puts in the contracts some sort of payment plan for those "signing bonuses". Even Snyder does payment plans on his huge signing bonuses he passes out. So paying out 60-80 million in signing bonuses in one season isn't what it is cracked up to be these days.

Also do not forget to note that the new TV contracts are slowly kicking in as well as this new proposed Thursday Night package which could bring in more then a billion more each season in revenue sharing.

What I am getting at is 60-80 mill in the last CBA will be chump change in the new one for the owners, including Mr. B.

As for current cap I have already done my 2011 spreadsheet, wont post it until new CBA is done though and details of it come out. I can say that I have a total of $86,774,417 for 41 players. On top of those 41 players will be 5 RFA's, 5 EFA's, and 8 rookies. Only have 3 UFA's who are starters, Lyle, Lutui, and Breaston.

Great stuff Joe, knew you would have the info. It looks to me that we are actually in very good shape as far as not having roster spots to fill.

I don't recall seeing you post a FA/need/signing plan of your own. What do you wanna see happen personel wise this year?

The link that Bucky provided talks about the Raiders and how they have dead money and that won't count towards the "floor" so how do they spend enough and stay within the cap?

I'm sure ur probably spot on Joe but Mr B, the Browns & some others operate on a differant planet when it comes extension time. I don't think I'm going out on a limb to say of Breaston, Deuce, Lyle, Fitz, Branch & possibly Kolb no more than 3 & IMO probably 2 get extended past the 2011 season. Thats just the way he operates no matter what he gets from the league. And then there's 2012's FA class staring us in the face...the cycle never changes.

If the new CBA has the expected floor spending of ~95% then all owners will have to spend money, they will have no choice. Mr B (who has been spending up until last season anyway ((since UOP)) and Brown will have to use their cap money so why wouldn't the Cards re-sign and extend etc the players you listed?

 

[Cardiac]

running the show yes...having the finally say on the dough...I don't think so

i disagree..

Bucky found an article that showed that the stupid first contract for Fitz was Seniors doing and not Michael. The man still is the owner and since he has backed off of personel decisions recently I bet he still has the final word on how the money is spent. I'm sure (pure speculation on my part) that Senior is the one who said no to getting Bulger last year. Not from a personel stand point but from a $ one.

Senior had been a very hands on owner for many years (why we stank for so long) so to think he has completely walked away from all operations doesn't add up for me.

 

[Buckybird]

If the new CBA has the expected floor spending of ~95% then all owners will have to spend money, they will have no choice. Mr B (who has been spending up until last season anyway ((since UOP)) and Brown will have to use their cap money so why wouldn't the Cards re-sign and extend etc the players you listed?

Cardiac it still takes 2 sides to do a contract, which is another point I was trying to make but maybe not clear enough on.

Say play a, b, & c sign elsewhere before the Cards ever steping up to the plate & those 3 players are pretty hefty $$$ players. Aren't the Cards gonna have to overspend on possible less talent to eat up that salary cap space? It might be a FA signing, a rookie (though a new CBA might nix that) or extending someone who may or may not desrve it. It could cause some serious bad contracts (like we've never done that before).

 

[joeshmo]

Aren't the Cards gonna have to overspend on possible less talent to eat up that salary cap space? It might be a FA signing, a rookie (though a new CBA might nix that) or extending someone who may or may not desrve it. It could cause some serious bad contracts (like we've never done that before).

In any other year I would completely agree with you and totally on your band wagon with this. But consider this, over 500 players are about to become free agents, more then double then that of a normal free agent pool of about 250. So yes any normal year they would have trouble finding a way to spend to the rumor 92% to 95% floor. But not this year with the huge surplus of free agents to be had this year.

We are really going to find out once and for all how the Cards run business this year. Three out of the last four years they have done it right concerning money paid out compared to the rest of the NFL. Admittedly last year they did us fans or this coaching staff zero favors. This microcosm of an off season is really going to show the teams colors.

There is plenty of ways to get to that floor wisely, up to the team to do that though, but the opportunities will be plentiful -

1. Over 500 free agents.
2. Bigger signing bonuses to make sure you get the UDFA's you want.
3. Lyle, Lutui, Breaston, Branch - UFA Priorities
4. Adams and Graham - Secondary UFA Priorities
5. Extensions (some more important then others of course) - Fitz, Campbell, Levi, DRC, Toler, Will Davis
6. Any new QB will be getting big money, Both Kolb and Orton are in their final years, Palmer makes a ton of money, Hasselback will want some dough.
7. Front loading a few deals so you are better set for 2012 as well.(something you will see a lot of this off season by every single team)

 

[Cardiac]

Cardiac it still takes 2 sides to do a contract, which is another point I was trying to make but maybe not clear enough on.

Say play a, b, & c sign elsewhere before the Cards ever steping up to the plate & those 3 players are pretty hefty $$$ players. Aren't the Cards gonna have to overspend on possible less talent to eat up that salary cap space? It might be a FA signing, a rookie (though a new CBA might nix that) or extending someone who may or may not desrve it. It could cause some serious bad contracts (like we've never done that before).

Gotcha. I'm the glass half full guy and your the why did you pee in my glass guy. I'm hoping that the new CBA for this year does have the extra tags so that we get some time to re-sign our own.

Based on last years FA period I do get your concerns, we lost good players early and often and it was very frustrating.

 

[Buckybird]

In any other year I would completely agree with you and totally on your band wagon with this. But consider this, over 500 players are about to become free agents, more then double then that of a normal free agent pool of about 250. So yes any normal year they would have trouble finding a way to spend to the rumor 92% to 95% floor. But not this year with the huge surplus of free agents to be had this year.

We are really going to find out once and for all how the Cards run business this year. Three out of the last four years they have done it right concerning money paid out compared to the rest of the NFL. Admittedly last year they did us fans or this coaching staff zero favors. This microcosm of an off season is really going to show the teams colors.

There is plenty of ways to get to that floor wisely, up to the team to do that though, but the opportunities will be plentiful -

1. Over 500 free agents.
2. Bigger signing bonuses to make sure you get the UDFA's you want.
3. Lyle, Lutui, Breaston, Branch - UFA Priorities
4. Adams and Graham - Secondary UFA Priorities
5. Extensions (some more important then others of course) - Fitz, Campbell, Levi, DRC, Toler, Will Davis
6. Any new QB will be getting big money, Both Kolb and Orton are in their final years, Palmer makes a ton of money, Hasselback will want some dough.
7. Front loading a few deals so you are better set for 2012 as well.(something you will see a lot of this off season by every single team)

Thx Joe & I hope your right, though I'm leary all that can be done based on the past of sitting on their hands when action needs to take place..

 

[joeshmo]

Thx Joe & I hope your right, though I'm leary all that can be done based on the past.

Trust me, I am leary as well. Finally was able to afford season tickets last year and the team decides to, save its food stores and pack it in for the winter aka The Lockout. That did not sit well with me, not one single bit.

 

[Duckjake]

I wonder what Horton thinks about Safeties who can tackle but can't cover?

 

[Mulli]

I wonder what Horton thinks about Safeties who can tackle but can't cover?

Frank Gore wonders whether Cards have safeties that can tackle...

 

[Duckjake]

Frank Gore wonders whether Cards have safeties that can tackle...

We ain't scared of no Frank Gores or Adrian Petersons. But please Lord don't let the Kenneth Darbys and Leon Washingtons run the ball against us.

 

[Covert Rain]

People say Deion couldnt tackle.. That isnt the case.. He just didnt have to.. He did when he had to...

No he didn't. I have seen plenty of highlights with Sanders pulling up. I remember one game where he kept pushing guys out of bounds or holding them or trying to redirect guys instead of going for the tackle. He clearly avoided contact throughout his career unless he was bumping receivers.

He avoided contact like the plague. His own teammate Aikman has mentioned it several times over the years. Also, Deion is the one that coined the phrase "Business Decision" when it came to tackling guys much bigger then him. We all know what he meant.

Saving his own ass so it didn't impact his career.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

No he didn't. I have seen plenty of highlights with Sanders pulling up. I remember one game where he kept pushing guys out of bounds or holding them or trying to redirect guys instead of going for the tackle. He clearly avoided contact throughout his career unless he was bumping receivers.

He avoided contact like the plague. His own teammate Aikman has mentioned it several times over the years. Also, Deion is the one that coined the phrase "Business Decision" when it came to tackling guys much bigger then him. We all know what he meant.

Saving his own ass so it didn't impact his career.

And he played 15 years and he got paid.

Frustrating for us the fans, but smart on his part.

 

[Covert Rain]

And he played 15 years and he got paid.

Frustrating for us the fans, but smart on his part.

Yep. He put the "Self" in selfish.

 

[Buckybird]

He put the "Self" in selfish.

I thought that was TO & Ocho Stinko.