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on Graves' incompetence. It never ends. Just my opinion.
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Damn right he's stalling. I would too if I were Rolle's agent. That's what you get when you drag your feet as a front office.
Buckybird
Hoist the Lombardi Trophy
Amen
You think Rosenhaus is stalling because he thinks he can get Rolle a contract with another team that pays him 12 mil next year?
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I'm the first one to question Graves but IMO what's going on is a bizzare shortage of safeties when Rolle can get near what AW gets.
I gotta hope we can get someone cheaper and good enough not to have to do that.
It's not that we shouldn't be concerned about the hole left by Rolle it's just that I can't see paying out that much money for the two front line guys at that position, Jeez.
That'd be like 16 million just at safety at the starter position alone, I gotta believe that's way too high for those two.
Perhaps that's because AW is overpaid but in light of his overall performance and the fact he's a weapon we blitz with, I just don't see paying that much for a tandem of safeties per year.
We need rush help more, and we need LBers more IMO.
I gotta hope we can get someone cheaper and good enough not to have to do that.
It's not that we shouldn't be concerned about the hole left by Rolle it's just that I can't see paying out that much money for the two front line guys at that position, Jeez.
That'd be like 16 million just at safety at the starter position alone, I gotta believe that's way too high for those two.
Perhaps that's because AW is overpaid but in light of his overall performance and the fact he's a weapon we blitz with, I just don't see paying that much for a tandem of safeties per year.
We need rush help more, and we need LBers more IMO.
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You can get on Graves if you want, I was on his back just yesterday, and from what he had said about his expectations in free agency, it was justified. Things have changed now though. Graves hiring of Donnie Henderson, (I believe), will be the catalyst that will turn our defensive secondary into the pass smothering unit that we have been looking for all along. These guys are not without talent, (more likely without proper leadership and coaching until now). I think this one hire is every bit as solid, and needed, as was the extending of John Lott to a new tenure with the big Red.
I can't wait to see how DRC, Toler, Rolle, Ware, and Rashad Johnson react to Hendersons coaching and teaching. HE WILL GET RESULTS, AND THEY WILL BE THE RESULTS HE WANTS, or players will be gone. He will allow Bill Davis to play the tight man coverage that we have all hollered about lacking in the past. No more soft passive fluff at the end of games, especially when we lead, late in the 4th quarter. Our corners WILL learn to bust their man at the line of scrimmage, and they will smother them down their routes. They WILL contend for the ball like it was theirs.
I believe that Lott and Henderson will turn this bunch into a fearsome group that will cover tightly enough to let Davis once again use Adrian Wilson to scheme, rather than be forced to hold him back in coverage. I believe the Donnie Henderson is the missing link in our coaching staff that will allow us to build a defense commensurate with our already solid offense. My hat is off to Graves with this signing. Now lets bring in a couple of needed free agents.
I can't wait to see how DRC, Toler, Rolle, Ware, and Rashad Johnson react to Hendersons coaching and teaching. HE WILL GET RESULTS, AND THEY WILL BE THE RESULTS HE WANTS, or players will be gone. He will allow Bill Davis to play the tight man coverage that we have all hollered about lacking in the past. No more soft passive fluff at the end of games, especially when we lead, late in the 4th quarter. Our corners WILL learn to bust their man at the line of scrimmage, and they will smother them down their routes. They WILL contend for the ball like it was theirs.
I believe that Lott and Henderson will turn this bunch into a fearsome group that will cover tightly enough to let Davis once again use Adrian Wilson to scheme, rather than be forced to hold him back in coverage. I believe the Donnie Henderson is the missing link in our coaching staff that will allow us to build a defense commensurate with our already solid offense. My hat is off to Graves with this signing. Now lets bring in a couple of needed free agents.
Mitch
Crawled Through 5 FB Fields
Love your spirit, Catfish. Rage on, m'man, rage on!
kerouac9
Klowned by Keim
Coming off two playoff appearances and division championships, I'm not inclined to overstate the "incompetence" of Rod Graves quite yet. Let's table this conversation for four or five weeks, shall we?
I think that no one has any idea what the free agent market is going to look like when it opens up.
I think that no one has any idea what the free agent market is going to look like when it opens up.
Mitch
Crawled Through 5 FB Fields
Agreed, K9...like RG says himself, "talk to me in September."
But this year we'd better see some "pouncing" this time aound.
Considering that the Cards have never had this many "star" players to deal with at once I'd have to agree. Will be a real indicator of whether or not these aren't "your father's Cardinals".
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Okay, you take ingredients including gaping holes in our defense and add a few dashes of starters being cut and lost to free agency, and mix in the already-stated reassurance that we won't be overactive in free agency. Stir with a ladle of drafting for need because we don't have a choice. What's this badly-worded analogy serve up? A recipe for disaster in 2010, that's what.
Everything is aligning badly for us. Our FO will have to move decisively and with more than a little bit of innovation in order to pull through a difficult offseason. Do they have the balls to do it?
Man, I really want to keep believing, I do. I mean, we've accomplished a lot over the last few years, and I want that momentum to keep building. I've held off blasting the FO, and have even gone so far as to praise it. Now just what in the heck are they going to do to repair the damage they're allowing to happen? We have numerous large holes in the hull of our proud Cardinals ship. How shall they be patched?
Everything is aligning badly for us. Our FO will have to move decisively and with more than a little bit of innovation in order to pull through a difficult offseason. Do they have the balls to do it?
Man, I really want to keep believing, I do. I mean, we've accomplished a lot over the last few years, and I want that momentum to keep building. I've held off blasting the FO, and have even gone so far as to praise it. Now just what in the heck are they going to do to repair the damage they're allowing to happen? We have numerous large holes in the hull of our proud Cardinals ship. How shall they be patched?
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
I wouldn't use 'talk to me in September' as any kind of defense for RG, recalling as I do the utter crap we trotted out and excused as a football team that September.
Reddog
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Absolutely the right strategy for Rosenhaus. Why negotiate with one team when you can have several bidding for him. And the cards have no intention of paying that bonus so if you want to fault them fault them for doing a deal with such an unreasonable escalator in it in the first place or not extending him last year.
Sounds like a lynch mob is forming before the murder has been committed. This group is about as patient as a 16 year old in a house of ill repute.
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Sounds like a lynch mob is forming before the murder has been committed. This group is about as patient as a 16 year old in a house of ill repute.
Or a grumpy old fart in a house of ill repute.
Point being, I have yet to meet the man that walks into a house of ill repute and displays anything resembling patience.
Sounds like a lynch mob is forming before the murder has been committed. This group is about as patient as a 16 year old in a house of ill repute.
Wouldn't this message board be fun if everybody thought that way.
Poster #1: "Hey Warner retired. Sorry to see him go. How do you think Leinart will do?"
Poster #2: "Have to wait until next January to tell but the Cards went to the Super Bowl so he should be ok."
Poster #1: "Thanks for the input."
Red Dawn
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Sounds like a lynch mob is forming before the murder has been committed. This group is about as patient as a 16 year old in a house of ill repute.
Why all the hate for RG, anyway? IMO A failed negotiation could be the fault of input from the coaching staff, input from one or both Bidwills, the player's mindset, the player's slimy agent, or the current market for that position, just as much as the GM's.
Seem like alot of jumping to conclusions to blame him for everything even though we, as fans, rarely if ever know the real story.
Rolle is inconsistent at best. Brilliant one game and non-existent the next. I think many are overestimating his value. So many here rip Brown for not living up to his draft position yet give Rolle a free pass even though he never lived up to his draft position as a CB.
Buckybird
Hoist the Lombardi Trophy
well said Red, but let me add this...
Who do you trust more with making decisions on our football team? RG or Coach Wiz? I know its a mute point, but I know my answer.
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Don't disagree there.
My previous point was simply that, here again, the FO has allowed the player and his agent a position of strength in negotiations, and, well, blah, blah, blah...
I know.
That is the problem with the entire defense. It isn't even one game to the next but one half to the next. I think that using consistency with anyone on the Cards D the last couple of years to estimate their value is a huge mistake.
It is such a pervasive problem that it can only be coaching and/or lack of leadership from the veterans on the roster.
DieHardCardFan
Dallas 2011
Same story different off-season! Come on a super bowl appearance and a divisional playoff appearance later, not so sure Graves is as bad some here want to think. Rolle wants alot of money and maybe he deserves it. But one thing I will never do is side with Rosenhaus over the Cards, ever! The guys the shark of sharks, and he doesnt care whose legacy he has to ruin to deliver that ONE good contract.
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Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
This. Dansby has never been a leader, Dockett is the most outspoken but not in the best way, and the defensive leader Adrian Wilson, is as inconsistent as they come in coverage. Who is the leader that is holding players accountable o the field. Where is the defensive captain who knows the defense better than the coaches and is always in position. Nobody. That is one of the reasons that I not sweating Dansby being gone. He just has never been the leader at linebacker that this defense needed.
Ray Lewis, for better or worse, would have punched DRC in the face, peed on his stupid cartoon lunchbox, and told him to get his head out of his ass after week 3 against the Colts. Fact. And that is what we need on our defense.
