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I forget, who is the offensive coordinator, and who will be calling the plays?
Worse, but there was more star power on that team.
Chandler Jones
Patrick Peterson
Larry Fitzgerald
Josh Rosen
David Johnson
Hard to remember a lower-wattage defense than the one well run out in Week 1.
Harry, now that's a perfect 'take' of biting the hand that fed you for many years. Congrats.If you’re looking for stuff to read about the Cards’ rebuild; good luck. They are so uninteresting that there is virtually no media coverage outside of Arizona. Frankly, there’s nothing to report. The free agents were mostly stopgap or special teams support. The draft was more aimed at crushing 2024 (pressure’s on) than competing in 2023. This is a bad tram. With a history of near total disaster this year’s team ranks likely highly among the worst ever. There are a few, very few, interesting prospects. The front office thought so poorly of their predecessor they didn’t make a serious effort to re-sign their top free agents. They also didn’t pick up the fifth year option on their previous first round choice. In essence the new group said the old group was virtually a total failure. It’s not even clear the new regime intends to do much to enhance the hold over “star” who plays QB. If they could I believe they’d cut almost every player and start from scratch.
So here we go again. season ticket holders are asked to bet on the future or that they can sell those tickets to the visitor’s fans. After all, Arizona is a nice place to visit, especially if you can take in a win. Sadly the NFL just stands by with no standards applied to the efforts of existing owners. No one protects the fans. No one cares about them beyond getting their money. In point of fact they reward the biggest failures with the best potential prospects.
Arizona is not alone in ripping off fans. It’s an NFL tradition, yet we keep coming back for more. To paraphrase Henny Youngman, take my money; please. Fans could refuse to sell their tickets and sit home. This would deny the NFL the parking money (I know passes come with some tickets) and concession income. Over a season this amounts to millions of dollars. However, the NFL has always bet the fans won’t take that loss. They’ve always won that bet. In the end this is just another greed grab by an industry that’s built a tradition of stealing from fans. This is a monopoly and it’s easy to see why those are supposed to be illegal. In this case it’s deemed critical to protect the financial well-being of the owners.
Will this rebuild work? Who knows! The only thing I’m certain of is that the owners will feel little pain. Plus, if it does fail, another rebuild is sure to follow.
We're talking about interesting teams. We'd traded up for Rosen in the first round, so that was exciting at the time, although the guy didn't pan out. Kyler coming off injury onto a horrible roster that can't compete generates little excitement. It's not about comparing the players overall, but the situations and the teams.Did you just put Josh Rosen on a star power list?
DJ was a 1.5 season wonder. I think Conner with his 6 seasons in the league and whole cancer story has as much "star power".
Kyler buries Rosen.
Hopkins has as much star power nationally than Fitz, maybe even more.
Maybe that team had a couple more big names but I'm not sure that made it any more interesting. Those names barely got any play nationally. Chandler Jones was probably the least talked about 19 sack guy in history.
Meh that team wasn't particularly interesting once the season started. I watched the first game and said, "Golly this is a really bad football team, and also a poorly led one!" I probably only watched a few games from start to finish.We're talking about interesting teams. We'd traded up for Rosen in the first round, so that was exciting at the time, although the guy didn't pan out. Kyler coming off injury onto a horrible roster that can't compete generates little excitement. It's not about comparing the players overall, but the situations and the teams.
Josh Rosen was a first-round QB. People were extremely excited about him at the time.Did you just put Josh Rosen on a star power list?
DJ was a 1.5 season wonder. I think Conner with his 6 seasons in the league and whole cancer story has as much "star power".
Kyler buries Rosen.
Hopkins has as much star power nationally than Fitz, maybe even more.
Maybe that team had a couple more big names but I'm not sure that made it any more interesting. Those names barely got any play nationally. Chandler Jones was probably the least talked about 19 sack guy in history.
The front office thought so poorly of their predecessor they didn’t make a serious effort to re-sign their top free agents. They also didn’t pick up the fifth year option on their previous first round choice. In essence the new group said the old group was virtually a total failure. It’s not even clear the new regime intends to do much to enhance the hold over “star” who plays QB. If they could I believe they’d cut almost every player and start from scratch.
I get that. Just commenting on the excitement factor of the two QBs. I was definitely stoked more to see a new, young, highly drafted QB than a returning-from-injury KM.Meh that team wasn't particularly interesting once the season started. I watched the first game and said, "Golly this is a really bad football team, and also a poorly led one!" I probably only watched a few games from start to finish.
Maybe this year is the same, but there is the promise of Murray coming back. That team had no promise.
Kyler coming off injury onto a horrible roster that can't compete generates little excitement.
Let's say Murray comes back and plays fairly well and the Cardinals can avoid being one of the most injured teams in football agai, I can see this happening.there is a path to a good, entertaining offense:
they have enough o-line pieces that if most play most of the season (which is basically asking for NFL average injury luck) it can be signficantly better than last year
assuming Hop stays, pass catchers of Hop, Hollywood and Moore + McBride in his 2nd year and Ertz later isnt bad
an assumed improvement over Kliff's scheme and playcalling
this wont happen in week one, but I am thinking last 9 games of the season.
doing a similar "here is how the defense is better than expected" is wayyyy harder though.
Absolutely. Give me this team 10X over that Wilks debacle.It's not even the least interesting team of the past 5 years. People have short memories.
Buckle up for this year my brotha. LMAO!My money is on the 2018 Josh Rosen led Cardinals. I was traveling and listened to the game where we couldn't advance the ball past the 50 yard line. That team set NFL records for offensive ineptitude. Listening to those games when I traveled was like listening to paint dry. To me, that will always be the worst Cards team ever. Heck, it only took a season to get rid of a HC and first round QB, it was THAT bad!
To be fair, Terry McDonough is trying his best to keep this team relevant and in the news.Without kyler this team would go unnoticed by the media, unfortunate.
If you mean I covered the Cards for many years, that’s true. Your position seems much like blaming the doctor for the illness.Harry, now that's a perfect 'take' of biting the hand that fed you for many years. Congrats.
0-17 would be worseNo team can be worst than the 0-16 Lions. They were historically bad.