LeBron says he "Spoiled" Cleveland Fans

[Chaplin]

Funny how Donald brings up Kobe's status in China when the reality is that Steve Nash is bigger over there. Mostly because of his relationship with Yao Ming and the things he does over there every offseason.

Chinese popularity is a pretty weak argument here.

 

[chickenhead]

Just look at the NHL.. Upset after upset and underdogs going on a tear, so exciting to watch those players pour their hearts out and not have refs/commissioner screwing the game.. To top that off those guys n-e-v-e-r complain about money and how much they make.. Sorry about the vent.. Lets just not see the Lakers/ Celtics in the finals.

You know Bettman hates Montreal more than anything right now. At least the Sharks are finally not choking and he can point to an expansion success story.

As for LeBron, it just makes "the shot that saved Cleveland" story look so ridiculous now. They didn't win that series, they didn't even make it to an Orlando rematch, and now Cleveland might lose him. But regardless of where he goes, he's a great player and is going to tear it up in some fashion, so the yo-yo hype will just keep going.

 

[Mulli]

You know Bettman hates Montreal more than anything right now. At least the Sharks are finally not choking and he can point to an expansion success story.

As for LeBron, it just makes "the shot that saved Cleveland" story look so ridiculous now. They didn't win that series, they didn't even make it to an Orlando rematch, and now Cleveland might lose him. But regardless of where he goes, he's a great player and is going to tear it up in some fashion, so the yo-yo hype will just keep going.

Sharks are done now. Go Blackhawks!!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Funny how Donald brings up Kobe's status in China when the reality is that Steve Nash is bigger over there. Mostly because of his relationship with Yao Ming and the things he does over there every offseason.

Chinese popularity is a pretty weak argument here.

No he's not. It isn't even close. Kobe is more popular in China than Yao. His own countrymen like Kobe more than Yao.

I have no idea why we are even talking about this. It's irrelevant.

 

[Mulli]

No he's not. It isn't even close. Kobe is more popular in China than Yao. His own countrymen like Kobe more than Yao.

I have no idea why we are even talking about this. It's irrelevant.

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[D-Dogg]

Wait. The Olympics aren't comparable to Kobe pimping around China? I'm talking about recent world exposure. The Olympic games are much more publicized in other countries than it is in the United States. You've got some serious myopia going on there.

Newsflash...I'm talking about Kobe in China during the freaking OLYMPICS. You know, the summer ones, which the world cares about. Not the snow ones, where Norweigans, canadians and Russians give a flip about. You've got some serious myopia going on there.

This is pretty offensive, actually. Much of the world is more tuned in than you are giving them credit for. And I doubt there have been as many articles in Spain about Pau Gasol lately as there have been in Central and South America about Arizona's immigration law.

You need to look up offensive and reset your personal definition. And yes, there has been a lot of coverage about Arizona's immigration law (which is exactly what I said) but "Los Suns" PR ploy isn't Arizona's immigration law. It's a bit bigger than a silly jersey and some comments by the team. Just a little bit bigger, like the difference in Jupiter and Mercury.

Now you're telling me what I meant? I thought arrogance had it's own thread. I know basketball fans around the country. You were assuming that I was in Arizona and only spoke with local fans. Wrong.

Wrong, I was assuming you are a Suns fan. It doesn't matter where you live, unless somehow you are talking to every person in LA. Your comment about the basketball watching world sick to death of Kobe or the Lakers is silly on its face if you are trying to say you meant LA. Other team's fanbases, sure...Suns being the one you are familiar with. I'm telling you what you meant, because it's clear you don't know. Hell, I'm giving you credit for not trying to speak for the world at large, unless that's what you actually DO want to imply. In which case, you're wrong.

Stern wants to expand. It's true the Lakers are already world famous...that's why he'd prefer new teams drawing attention from new territories and new fans. I said the world wants to see something besides the Lakers, and I think I'm right.

You think you are right, and you are speaking for Stern on why you think that way. The only way to prove that is a poll of nations. And I really don't think you would like the results of that poll, based on the articles, ratings, jersey sales abroad, etc over the past 25 years.

Until Stern goes International with teams, the US teams are what the world watches, and the Lakers are immensely popular.

 

[D-Dogg]

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LOL at the fishhook!!

Well played, Photoshop!

 

[D-Dogg]

One FG attempt in the 2nd half from your leading scorer is not "showing up" no matter how hard you try to spin it. Kobe quit on the Lakers that day and because he was the emotional leader of that team, everybody else followed suit. Don't be ridiculous. There are no two ways about it.

3 attempts, and the rest of the team didn't quit...they sucked...he got them great looks, wide open looks and they clanged ALL of them. Kobe was fine in deferring in the third, but should have taken back control in the fourth and just started launching non-stop.

Somewhere between the other guy's post and yours is where the truth lies, but it's closer to your version than his.

 

[nashman]

Donald your not really arguing that Kobe did not quit in that game are you? It was pretty obvious that he did to make a point.

 

[Cheesewater]

Newsflash...I'm talking about Kobe in China during the freaking OLYMPICS. You know, the summer ones, which the world cares about. Not the snow ones, where Norweigans, canadians and Russians give a flip about. You've got some serious myopia going on there.

I'm talking about RIGHT NOW. The Olympic Games in Vancouver were a few months ago. The Beijing Olympics were nearly two years ago. You are evidently ignorant of the world press if you think only 3 countries watched.

You need to look up offensive and reset your personal definition. And yes, there has been a lot of coverage about Arizona's immigration law (which is exactly what I said) but "Los Suns" PR ploy isn't Arizona's immigration law. It's a bit bigger than a silly jersey and some comments by the team. Just a little bit bigger, like the difference in Jupiter and Mercury.

What I indicated was that the Phoenix Suns have likely been in the world news lately because of the connection with the immigration law. I wasn't comparing the size of the stories. Are you being willfully ignorant? And you do know that the rest of the world does read the U.S. press, right? Stories about the jerseys were published in the New York Times and the Washington Post among many others. Get your head out of the sand.

Wrong, I was assuming you are a Suns fan. It doesn't matter where you live, unless somehow you are talking to every person in LA. Your comment about the basketball watching world sick to death of Kobe or the Lakers is silly on its face if you are trying to say you meant LA. Other team's fanbases, sure...Suns being the one you are familiar with. I'm telling you what you meant, because it's clear you don't know. Hell, I'm giving you credit for not trying to speak for the world at large, unless that's what you actually DO want to imply. In which case, you're wrong.

I'm not trying to say I "meant LA" was sick of the Lakers. You made the assumption that my opinion sample was only Arizona fans and I disproved that assumption. I'm a Suns fan so I only talk to Suns fans in Arizona, no matter where I live?

You think you are right, and you are speaking for Stern on why you think that way. The only way to prove that is a poll of nations. And I really don't think you would like the results of that poll, based on the articles, ratings, jersey sales abroad, etc over the past 25 years.

Until Stern goes International with teams, the US teams are what the world watches, and the Lakers are immensely popular.

You keep trying to enforce this idea that I think the Lakers aren't popular. Of course they are. I'm musing on Stern's desire to expand having an effect on the Suns advancing. Do you think non-Lakers homer basketball fans would rather see Los Angeles or Los Suns in the Finals? (Hint: It's the team that is frequently described as "fun to watch").

I believe Stern would LOVE to cash in on some international exposure (and cash) by promoting the Suns. That's pretty much what I was getting at. Then I expounded by revealing that all non-Lakers fans I knew are sick of seeing them.

I'll give you this: You are obviously not a bandwagon fan. Bandwagon fans don't care if someone doesn't like their team. Even if it IS populated with the arrogant and the ignorant.

 

[crisper57]

Maybe he meant to say that he "soiled on" Cleveland fans by his pathetic performance in the playoffs.

 

[ninous26]

wait wait wait wait wait now.. So what if lebron goes to chicago.. Who wears number 23???? this will be interesting.

 

[arthurracoon]

Funny how Donald brings up Kobe's status in China when the reality is that Steve Nash is bigger over there. Mostly because of his relationship with Yao Ming and the things he does over there every offseason.

Chinese popularity is a pretty weak argument here.

No he's not. It isn't even close. Kobe is more popular in China than Yao. His own countrymen like Kobe more than Yao.

I have no idea why we are even talking about this. It's irrelevant.

As anecdotal evidence, I work with some Chinese folks.

Both of their favorite players' is Yao Ming
They are split on their second favorite player. Steve Nash & Kobe Bryant.

Also note that this is in Nashville...not Phoenix.

 

[Cheesewater]

As anecdotal evidence, I work with some Chinese folks.

Both of their favorite players' is Yao Ming
They are split on their second favorite player. Steve Nash & Kobe Bryant.

Also note that this is in Nashville...not Phoenix.

Poll invalid!

 

[D-Dogg]

Donald your not really arguing that Kobe did not quit in that game are you? It was pretty obvious that he did to make a point.

In the 4th quarter, yes. In the 3rd quarter, no. In the 3rd he came out, and executed according to the gameplan (unless Phil is covering for him, which I doubt). Lakers roleplayers bricked it all over the place (I still cringe at Smush shooting corner 3s), the Suns took HUGE advantage, and Kobe stubbornly and half-assed continued executing the gameplan the rest of the way instead of taking every shot the rest of the game like he should have.

But 3rd quarter, he did what was asked of him...and when it didn't work, he made a point for the rest of the game.

Freaking Tim Thomas and the rebound...

 

[D-Dogg]

Cheesewater, we are going to have to agree to disagree here.

 

[Renz]

wait wait wait wait wait now.. So what if lebron goes to chicago.. Who wears number 23???? this will be interesting.

LeBron has already applied to wear #6 next season.

 

[Tyler]

LeBron has already applied to wear #6 next season.

He doesnt need to apply to wear a new number if he changes teams. It could be a sign.

 

[Renz]

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[mojorizen7]

Music,movies,sports....American celebrities in general are worshipped in the mainstream Asian culture.
I agree that this argument took a turn for the irrelevant.

 

[PDXChris]

wait wait wait wait wait now.. So what if lebron goes to chicago.. Who wears number 23???? this will be interesting.

First, it is retired, second, we came a few weeks back saying he is switching to number 6 next year. He feels no one should wear 23.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4958324

 

[Lorenzo]

every great player has to learn that he can't do it all on his own. he needs strong help and support to be great. We can sit here all day long and give evidence. the fact is lebron does not have strong support in cleveland...and the fanbase better embrace him now or he will certainly leave to greener ground....it would be nice if he came to my mavs...lol. i can dream...sadly that is so unbelievable that I can't even imagine it.

these lebron/kobe/jordan comparisons always make me laugh. jordan had a strong supporting cast....so has kobe when they won titles....so has phil jackson lol. when kobe had no supporting cast he was asking for a trade and taking quarters off...you can say he was proving a point...and his point was well taken. Desperate times call for desperate measures. when the lakers lost the title to detroit..they were shell-shocked and had just won 3 titles. He was feuding with shaq shortly afterward and I think that was when kobe truly matured as a player/and maybe a person going through those down years on and off the field.

I think lebron is doing ok, jhe like kobe and mike both had to learn, just must come to the realization that he needs help and can't do it alone(that is if he already hasn't). lebron also needs to develop his post game IMHO to elevate his playoff ability. This is irrelevant, but i think getting rid of 23 is a smart move. why would you want that number...especially if you are a star in your own right?

While I think the media has overblown the king james stuff a little, I actually like lebron better than kobe or MJ. I think he is more likeable than both. of corse maybe he or his fans aren't as spoiled as lakers or bulls fans have been with their star. bad reaction from lebron on his part with that lol.

 

[Hayduke]

of corse maybe he or his fans aren't as spoiled as lakers or bulls fans have been with their star. bad reaction from lebron on his part with that lol.

Ya he should have definitely held that comment back till he won them AT LEAST one championship.

 

[Lorenzo]

Ya he should have definitely held that comment back till he won them AT LEAST one championship.

true...they are spoiled...but there's a time and a place to say that. after you and your team just flopped in the biggest game of the season is not the time. If he would have said it after a regular season victory with one of his trademark dunks I would have been ok with it because I would have agreed with him. BTW...if you haven't seen him do it live....you outta check it out. just be sure to watch the regular season when the teams don't play defense. This is why lebron needs to develop his game. In the playoffs when the lane is sealed(especially when you don't have help)...you need to have something in your game that can't be stopped. Like a post up game. Most of the other great CLOSERS(keyword not scorers) have a post up game that can't be defended even sometimes against a double. that step back jumper lebron has is a low percentage shot for him...but is a low percentage shot for most players. He needs to find a range on the court that he is comfortable with and milk it..then work back from there.

 

[Hayduke]

Hasn't that been the general consensus on Lebron for a while now? When people compare him to Kobe the big point is that Kobe has mastered a complete offense.