Leinart forces us to commit to run game!

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First of all it is too early to start him but if we are going to bench Macklin for bad play then so be it. He needs to be held accountable and if Leinart plays bad then he'll be back. Better to get Leinart some reps in practice now rather then have him come in after Warner fumbles another ball.

We have to limit Leinart's passes. Edge will now get the carries he is asking for and with some solid line play last week, hopefully we can improve and really establish the run game.

Lastly, I thought I hated the Seahawks more, but it has to be the Rams now. I hate everything about them, especially Holt and now Warner!!!
 

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First of all it is too early to start him but if we are going to bench Macklin for bad play then so be it. He needs to be held accountable and if Leinart plays bad then he'll be back. Better to get Leinart some reps in practice now rather then have him come in after Warner fumbles another ball.

We have to limit Leinart's passes. Edge will now get the carries he is asking for and with some solid line play last week, hopefully we can improve and really establish the run game.

Lastly, I thought I hated the Seahawks more, but it has to be the Rams now. I hate everything about them, especially Holt and now Warner!!!

OK ths is my last post on this subject. But this is strictly a PR move. All games are sold out. Denny is gone with another crap season. This organization didn't bother to upgrade the OL. All they have now is to throw in the Hollywood kid. Don't get me wrong I like the fact that we got him. It's about time we got a QOF. But he wasn't supposed to play this season. This amounts to giving up on the season after 3 games and playing the rookie to keep fans in the seats. And it will probably work.
 

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OK ths is my last post on this subject. But this is strictly a PR move. All games are sold out. Denny is gone with another crap season. This organization didn't bother to upgrade the OL. All they have now is to throw in the Hollywood kid. Don't get me wrong I like the fact that we got him. It's about time we got a QOF. But he wasn't supposed to play this season. This amounts to giving up on the season after 3 games and playing the rookie to keep fans in the seats. And it will probably work.


Ding,ding,ding,ding. Spot on.
 

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We have to limit Leinart's passes.

Well thats....a dumb thing to say

What are we staring McCown? A clown with one arm? This guy is one hell of a thrower and we have some hella good wide receivers. The play calls wont change except they may stick to a set of more basic plays which is what this entire offense needs. Play the basics.
 

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They're not going to limit Leinart. He knows the playbook and in his first game told the coaches to call anything they want. I don't think it's a PR move at all. Green knows Warner is now gunshy(again) and going with the guy who gives them the best chance to win. Everyone figured Leinart wouold be starting by about game 6 anyway because of injury.
 

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I wonder if Steeler fans threw the season away when the Steelers started Ben?
No, they didn't. Big ben came in during a game because of an injury to Maddux and won. So, he was gold in the eyes of the fans from the start.
 

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I don't know what this is but it's not a PR move at all, this is going to pound the Bidwills in the wallet because of the escalators they put in Leinart's contract, If he starts now he's going to hit everyone of them and light that contract up like a pinball machine.

How do you hold a QB accountable for horrible ball security if you won't start his backup?

Everyone should be grateful we have that luxury, some teams would be starting guys like Josh out of the backup spot, we've got the most NFL ready rookie, Heisman winner, NC championship winner, sitting there.
 

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Not So Fast

Both local reports (EVT and AZR) hedge their bets on Leinart's possibly starting. Even an ESPN reporter - after Clayton reported it would definitely happen - recapped the report by saying that it "possibly could happen."

So the first thing is not to jump to conclusions until the Cards have something to say.

Secondly, the Cards have announced a 10 pm (AZT) press conference at the Stadium (they didn't indicate what the topic would be. It could be something completely apart from a QB announcement).

The media may be picking up the report correctly, but I think it would make sense for DG to leak it regardless of whether or not he planned to replace Warner with Leinart. It gives him the option of (a) making the move, (b) not making the move while at the same time firing a warning shot across Warner's bow or (c) setting the stage for a move to Leinart later on this season if events dictate.

It could be a PR move (dictated at least in part by ownership) to minimize the bad fan karma in the wake of the Ram loss by diverting attention toward the debut of our QBOF (I hope this isn't the case - football decisions and not PR decisions should dictate roster moves).

Or it could be an internal move designed to accomplish the same thing - i.e. get the players out of their collective funk over the Ram loss and refocus it toward "the new Leinart era." (Note - This is not a good idea when you have a young team that needs stability, structure and predictability in order to develop. But it may be a good idea if you have the feeling some of your players are a bit complacent about their starting roles (i.e. Macklin and now maybe Warner). So the move - if it takes place - could be more a function of locker room chemistry than PR. I wouldn't rush to judgment just yet.

Finally, with the exception of the turnovers, our passing offense has looked good and our running game has started to get in synch. In theory, an offense consists of a number of interrelated components, so you'd think it would be easier to straighten out one aspect of Warner's game than it would be to make so dramatic a change - one that would probably require considerable additional tinkering with the offense. And it should be pointed out that, despite playing like a veteran in preseason, Leinart has never played a regular season game and had to deal with its faster tempo & complex, confusing "non-vanilla" defenses.

That said, it's DG's call (That's why they pay him the big bucks). Barring anything really bizarre, he's our HC for at least the remainder of the season. Whatever he decides, we ought give him our support.
 
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I can see starting Kurt this week on a short leash. If he fumbles or throws picks in the 1st quarter or just looks horribly bad and we are losing bad, I would let Matt get in some time and see what he can do. I do not start Leinart under any circumstance short of Kurt breaking his hand answering a phone this week in Atl. Wreaks of desperation and DG, who is already questioning if he can get it done here in AZ would have his answer. No he can't. Matt got very little prep time in Preseason and an injury at the end. He is not ready to lead this team anywhere close to a playoff spot and starting him at this point could stunt his learning curve. Kurt just needs to play competently enough the next couple of weeks to allow Edge and the boys to start making this offense Dangerous. I think he knows this and will come through for us.
 

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I can see starting Kurt this week on a short leash. If he fumbles or throws picks in the 1st quarter or just looks horribly bad and we are losing bad, I would let Matt get in some time and see what he can do. I do not start Leinart under any circumstance short of Kurt breaking his hand answering a phone this week in Atl. Wreaks of desperation and DG, who is already questioning if he can get it done here in AZ would have his answer. No he can't. Matt got very little prep time in Preseason and an injury at the end. He is not ready to lead this team anywhere close to a playoff spot and starting him at this point could stunt his learning curve. Kurt just needs to play competently enough the next couple of weeks to allow Edge and the boys to start making this offense Dangerous. I think he knows this and will come through for us.

The problem with that is in general the starting QB gets the overwhelming majority of the reps in practice leading up to the game so how do you handle that, split the reps and maybe neither one is sharp? You have to make a decision and stick with it, and it has to be made today. If Green goes Shaun King on Leinart and tells him at the last second with light reps all week I'm going to flip out, if he makes the switch, it has to be TODAY. If there's no announcement today, Warner should start Sunday.
 

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Can he cover Tory Holt? Can he block those charging DL?

This is the silliest post yet. Can Warner cover Holt? Can he block DL?

So your saying even if Warner has 0 turnovers we would still not beat the rams 16 points because of our blocking and coverage? cmon that is just crazy type. We gave up 16 points!
 

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I would think the quarteback would be responsible for taking a snap without dropping the ball. We had a win! poor play by Warner lost the game.
It still hurts a lot, but that was Sunday.

We play Atlanta in 5 days. What will help our team the most? Holding Warner "accountable" (i.e. punishing him)? Or starting the player who gives us the best chance of beating the Falcs?

If we benched every player who ever made a mistake, we'd wind up with 53 reserves and no starters.
 

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It still hurts a lot, but that was Sunday.

We play Atlanta in 5 days. What will help our team the most? Holding Warner "accountable" (i.e. punishing him)? Or starting the player who gives us the best chance of beating the Falcs?

If we benched every player who ever made a mistake, we'd wind up with 53 reserves and no starters.

how many mistakes does it take? 12 mistakes isnt enough??? come on man
 

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It still hurts a lot, but that was Sunday.

We play Atlanta in 5 days. What will help our team the most? Holding Warner "accountable" (i.e. punishing him)? Or starting the player who gives us the best chance of beating the Falcs?

If we benched every player who ever made a mistake, we'd wind up with 53 reserves and no starters.

There is a real possibility that Warner is hiding the fact he got a concussion in the game last Sunday, I think factoring in that and the fact he played so poorly, you start Matt on the chance Warner is lying about how good his health is, he has a history of not being truthful about that.

You can always tell him you think he's off and he'll start against KC if you think he's better.

Warner fuzzy or woozy is going to get himself and us killed.
 

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It still hurts a lot, but that was Sunday.

We play Atlanta in 5 days. What will help our team the most? Holding Warner "accountable" (i.e. punishing him)? Or starting the player who gives us the best chance of beating the Falcs?

If we benched every player who ever made a mistake, we'd wind up with 53 reserves and no starters.

If Jeff Blake had played the way Warner has played this season, there would be a riot if Green didn't yank him. Just because Warner played in a Super Bowl doesn't give him an unlimited pass for poor play.

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OK ths is my last post on this subject. But this is strictly a PR move. All games are sold out. Denny is gone with another crap season. This organization didn't bother to upgrade the OL. All they have now is to throw in the Hollywood kid. Don't get me wrong I like the fact that we got him. It's about time we got a QOF. But he wasn't supposed to play this season. This amounts to giving up on the season after 3 games and playing the rookie to keep fans in the seats. And it will probably work.

this doesn't make sense to me - first you say it's a PR move, but then you say the seats are already sold out, so it doesn't appear to be a PR move to sell tickets and what do the Bidwills care if people actually show up to the games? they already have their money- then you say this amounts to giving up on the season - not exactly the kind of statement that would lead you to believe it would generate good PR now is it?

it's called sarting the future because there IS NO PRESENT - Warner's washed up - id' rather watch our future make mistakes and learn on the job than watch Warner be out there making the same mistakes for no gain whatsoever.
 

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This is the silliest post yet. Can Warner cover Holt? Can he block DL?

So your saying even if Warner has 0 turnovers we would still not beat the rams 16 points because of our blocking and coverage? cmon that is just crazy type. We gave up 16 points!


Has anyone noticed that Manning threw 3 interceptions as the Seahawks crushed the Giants. Are the Giants goint to bench Manning. Name any QB who has been around for a while and he will have had a terrible game. We are over reacting. We are three games into the season. What is best for the long range growth of Leinhart? I do not think it is throwing him into the lions mouth because of Warner having a bad game. It is doubtful we will do much better than 8/8 under the best of circumstances. We have a bad Ol, not a very effective defensive backfield. I truly think our best chance to win next weeks game is with Warner. We should not give up on the season three games into the season. Leinhart seems like a sure fire QB of the future but he is certainly not the guy to give us the best chance of winning THIS SUNDAY. His day will come but we need to show some patience. I think we set Plummer back by 2-3 years by rushing him into the starting position to soon. I cannot even remember how many fumbles he had or interceptions he threw but it was a bunch. Green has continued to tinker with the OL and DB to our on detriment. Yes, Warner had a horrible game but so did some other guys on this team. What do we do if Leinhart goes out there and throws 4 interceptions? If Warner starts off horrible then bring Leinhart in but do not start the guy for heavens sake. Give him and the team a chance to win and grow.

P.S. The Seahawks star RB broke his foot Sunday.
 

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. Yes, Warner had a horrible game but so did some other guys on this team.

You could only lump Ware into this category. Even Ware forced a turnover later in the game, that led to 7 points, so I guess not.
 

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I would think the quarteback would be responsible for taking a snap without dropping the ball.

We had a win! poor play by Warner lost the game.

It is a rare day that any one player is totally responsible for any loss. What if Fitz had caught a couple of those early passes he dropped? Who knows how that could have changed the course of the game. Could have led to TD's. Who knows if Rackers would have made the field goal if Warner had not fumbled? There are no guarantees about anything. We win as a team and lose as a team. One play early in a game can change the entire momentem of a game. What if Green had started a different right corner back? How might that have changed the outcome. What if the coaches had taken a couple of kneel downs at the end of the game and then let Rackers kick? You take a different type of snap if you are going to kneel down and perhaps there is no fumble. How many times do we expect Warner to throw three interceptions and fumble. I say more than a 100 to one. This is not the time to make such a major change at QB. Who knows how the players will take this? Will they play better or worse?
 

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Has anyone noticed that Manning threw 3 interceptions as the Seahawks crushed the Giants. Are the Giants goint to bench Manning. Name any QB who has been around for a while and he will have had a terrible game. We are over reacting. We are three games into the season. What is best for the long range growth of Leinhart? I do not think it is throwing him into the lions mouth because of Warner having a bad game. It is doubtful we will do much better than 8/8 under the best of circumstances. We have a bad Ol, not a very effective defensive backfield. I truly think our best chance to win next weeks game is with Warner. We should not give up on the season three games into the season. Leinhart seems like a sure fire QB of the future but he is certainly not the guy to give us the best chance of winning THIS SUNDAY. His day will come but we need to show some patience. I think we set Plummer back by 2-3 years by rushing him into the starting position to soon. I cannot even remember how many fumbles he had or interceptions he threw but it was a bunch. Green has continued to tinker with the OL and DB to our on detriment. Yes, Warner had a horrible game but so did some other guys on this team. What do we do if Leinhart goes out there and throws 4 interceptions? If Warner starts off horrible then bring Leinhart in but do not start the guy for heavens sake. Give him and the team a chance to win and grow.

P.S. The Seahawks star RB broke his foot Sunday.

Enough of this already. Quit making it seem like Warner had just a bad game. He has looked like crap for all but a half of the first game.

As for the comparison to Manning, with young QBs you expect them to make mistakes as they learn. Warner is an aged vet who shouldn't be making these types of mistakes.
 

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Enough of this already. Quit making it seem like Warner had just a bad game. He has looked like crap for all but a half of the first game.

As for the comparison to Manning, with young QBs you expect them to make mistakes as they learn. Warner is an aged vet who shouldn't be making these types of mistakes.

:thumbup:

I know for a fact that on any other team that was 1-2, losing a home game like Warner did with a guy like Leinart on the bench, there's going to be heated debate.

It's debateable that the timing might be bad but don't act like this is comming from outer space and it's an insane idea, how many games do you give Warner to lose before you try something different?
 

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