Len needs to start (Chandler needs to be traded)

[Hoop Head]

Did everyone forget that Chandler wants to be here? I'm all for Len starting but to trade Chandler right away is a mistake. He wasn't given the choice of sticking around or being traded during the offseason and he chose to stay. If we burn another bridge by just shipping him out even though he wants to be here and doing so right after he returned from losing a family member would seriously jeopardize our player relations around the league. They're bad enough already, let's not make them worse.


http://clutchpoints.com/tyson-chandler-passed-leave-phoenix/

 

[JCSunsfan]

Did everyone forget that Chandler wants to be here? I'm all for Len starting but to trade Chandler right away is a mistake. He wasn't given the choice of sticking around or being traded during the offseason and he chose to stay. If we burn another bridge by just shipping him out even though he wants to be here and doing so right after he returned from losing a family member would seriously jeopardize our player relations around the league. They're bad enough already, let's not make them worse.


http://clutchpoints.com/tyson-chandler-passed-leave-phoenix/

I have no doubt that if we traded him, it would be to an agreeable destination for him.

 

[BC867]

I predict that the Suns are not going to be quick to trade Tyson Chandler. For a number of reasons.

-- As kingdad said, it would jeopardize our player relations around the league.
-- He is in the twilight of his career and is filling the role of mentor as well as sharing the Center position with a (hopefully) developing younger player.
-- He is putting up his best rebounding stats (with shorter playing minutes) on a young team that needs strength in the middle.

 

[sunsfan88]

If the Suns could trade the Morris twins and get assets in return then they should be able to trade Knight and get an asset in return as well. I think Knight has more value than some Suns fans think. The Kings might be another team interested in Knight.

If this is the case then he should have been traded by now. He poisons the team every minute he's with the team. It's no coincidence that Booker suddenly doesn't look very good when he's trying to replicate Knight's game.

Knight btw is shooting 37% from the field for the season. I can't imagine there are many players who have taken as many shot attempts as him and played as many minutes as him who have the shot the ball that bad.

 

[Mainstreet]

If this is the case then he should have been traded by now. He poisons the team every minute he's with the team. It's no coincidence that Booker suddenly doesn't look very good when he's trying to replicate Knight's game.

Knight btw is shooting 37% from the field for the season. I can't imagine there are many players who have taken as many shot attempts as him and played as many minutes as him who have the shot the ball that bad.

I doubt Booker's shooting can be blamed on Knight. It may turn out that Booker may turn out to be more of a scorer than a shooter as previously hoped. Perhaps Booker is still having turf to issues but only time will tell. Booker does try to run the team like a PG which may benefit his game long term.

Sadly I think the Suns are still missing a pass first PG who can set up players to better their games. Too much individual stuff plaguing the team although, IMO, not by intent. The Suns guards are scorers.

 

[hcsilla]

Too much individual stuff plaguing the team although, IMO, not by intent. The Suns guards are scorers.

Yes, but them playing no team basketball is at least partially Watson's responsibility.

The Lakers have well-known ball-hogs like Nick Young and Lou Williams while D'Angelo Russell and Jordan Clarkson are far away from a pass 1st PG, yet the Lakers play like a team.

 

[elindholm]

Watson was a bad hire. Being anointed as great coaching material, or whatever the line on Watson was, isn't the same as knowing how to coach.

Maybe it will occur to the Suns someday that experience is valuable. By my count, they've hired only one coach in the last 25 years who had any previous head-coaching experience, and that was Gentry. (Edit: I forgot that D'Antoni had been the Nuggets' head coach for 50 games, of which he won a whopping 14.) The rest have all been experiments with guys who looked good on paper.

 

[Hoop Head]

Watson was a bad hire. Being anointed as great coaching material, or whatever the line on Watson was, isn't the same as knowing how to coach.

Maybe it will occur to the Suns someday that experience is valuable. By my count, they've hired only one coach in the last 25 years who had any previous head-coaching experience, and that was Gentry. (Edit: I forgot that D'Antoni had been the Nuggets' head coach for 50 games, of which he won a whopping 14.) The rest have all been experiments with guys who looked good on paper.

Porter was a head coach prior to signing in Phoenix. Of course he didn't last long here at all.

 

[elindholm]

Porter was a head coach prior to signing in Phoenix.

Hmm, right. Okay, so it turns out I was exaggerating.

 

[Mainstreet]

Watson was a bad hire. Being anointed as great coaching material, or whatever the line on Watson was, isn't the same as knowing how to coach.

Maybe it will occur to the Suns someday that experience is valuable. By my count, they've hired only one coach in the last 25 years who had any previous head-coaching experience, and that was Gentry. (Edit: I forgot that D'Antoni had been the Nuggets' head coach for 50 games, of which he won a whopping 14.) The rest have all been experiments with guys who looked good on paper.

Related, the Suns must be willing to pay enough money to hire a quality head coach instead of groom one who will take a lesser salary.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yes, but them playing no team basketball is at least partially Watson's responsibility.

The Lakers have well-known ball-hogs like Nick Young and Lou Williams while D'Angelo Russell and Jordan Clarkson are far away from a pass 1st PG, yet the Lakers play like a team.

No doubt Watson carries his share of responsibility. The Suns choice of going with a youthful team and a rookie head coach makes it more difficult to evaluate the situation.

 

[sunsfan88]

Related, the Suns must be willing to pay enough money to hire a quality head coach instead of groom one who will take a lesser salary.

This to me is more important than hiring a retread coach.

Guys like Kerr, Walton and Budenholzer who didn't have any full time head coaching experience have still turned out pretty well but the difference is that they weren't cheap like Hornacek/Watson has been.

When you look at the coaching salaries of Suns HCs from the past 7 years in Porter/Gentry/Hunter/Hornacek/Watson, one thing that's prevalent is that each and every single one of them have been among the lowest paid coaches in basketball.

Like the saying goes, you get what you pay for.

 

[sunsfan88]

Sadly I think the Suns are still missing a pass first PG who can set up players to better their games. Too much individual stuff plaguing the team although, IMO, not by intent. The Suns guards are scorers.

They have one in Tyler Ulis but he doesn't get any playing time. It's a shame that Watson rewards the ball hog guards by giving them all the minutes, I don't know if that sends the right message to the players.

 

[Errntknght]

We have the lowest assist to turnover ratio in league with only Brooklyn and Philly close to challenging us. Brandon Knight is part of the problem as usual but he's actually above the team average (by a smidgin). Part of it is our youth, I'm sure, but its so pervasive and bad that it has to be due in large part to the offense Watson has implemented. Our guys have no better idea where their teammates are than the opponents do. Playing a large variety of lineups contributes to that problem.

 

[Mainstreet]

They have one in Tyler Ulis but he doesn't get any playing time. It's a shame that Watson rewards the ball hog guards by giving them all the minutes, I don't know if that sends the right message to the players.

I would like to see more of Tyler Ulis but there is the matter of having enough minutes to go around. Cutting back the minutes on a player like Knight would likely decrease his trade value if comes to that. Also the Suns do not want to create another Dragic type situation where a player demands to be traded. Trading Dragic worked out well in regards to return value but created a fiasco otherwise. Having another forced trade situation may not work out as well. The Suns need to build the reputation of a stable franchise.

 

[Mainstreet]

This to me is more important than hiring a retread coach.

Guys like Kerr, Walton and Budenholzer who didn't have any full time head coaching experience have still turned out pretty well but the difference is that they weren't cheap like Hornacek/Watson has been.

When you look at the coaching salaries of Suns HCs from the past 7 years in Porter/Gentry/Hunter/Hornacek/Watson, one thing that's prevalent is that each and every single one of them have been among the lowest paid coaches in basketball.

Like the saying goes, you get what you pay for.

Maybe Watson will turn out to be a great head coach someday but I think the Suns should have considered hiring other candidates who might of been more costly to hire. However, the Suns problem may not be the head coach. I think most fans knew this would be a process. Maybe it's simply a matter of not having enough talent or young players not ready to contribute.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Watson was a bad hire. Being anointed as great coaching material, or whatever the line on Watson was, isn't the same as knowing how to coach.

Maybe it will occur to the Suns someday that experience is valuable. By my count, they've hired only one coach in the last 25 years who had any previous head-coaching experience, and that was Gentry. (Edit: I forgot that D'Antoni had been the Nuggets' head coach for 50 games, of which he won a whopping 14.) The rest have all been experiments with guys who looked good on paper.

In the past 25 years, Cotton Fitzsimmons, Mike D'Antoni, Terry Porter, And Alvin Gentry, all had previous head coaching experience. D'Antoni had overseas head coaching experience which counts in my book.

 

[leclerc]

Frack Knight's trade value. He's not part of this team's future so why are we bending over backwards for him. Just get rid of him or put him in the doghouse. It's an honest thing. He's the odd man out. It has happened before so we don't have to worry about team reputation in this case. Too good to be a sub and not our preferred starter.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I still believe in the assertion I made in the title of this thread. Last nights Knicks game was another confirmation. Chandler is too good to come off the bench. His greatest value to the Suns is as a trade asset. He is perfect for a "win now" team and should command a very good young player.

 

[slinslin]

Related, the Suns must be willing to pay enough money to hire a quality head coach instead of groom one who will take a lesser salary.

Like Tom Thibodaeu who has a worse record with a Wolves roster that was supposed to be more talented than ours?

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[Mainstreet]

Like Tom Thibodaeu who has a worse record with a Wolves roster that was supposed to be more talented than ours?

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Actually I was thinking about Thibodaeu when I wrote this. I guess there is no certainty when a team hires a head coach except perhaps Gregg Popovich who will likely never leave San Antonio.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Horny makes twice his Phoenix salary. But it does take twice as much to live in NY.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Actually I was thinking about Thibodaeu when I wrote this. I guess there is no certainty when a team hires a head coach except perhaps Gregg Popovich who will likely never leave San Antonio.

Here is the certainty. The coach with better players will be the better coach.

 

[Mainstreet]

Here is the certainty. The coach with better players will be the better coach.

I think this is generally the case although I'm sure there are coaches who are underachievers with excellent talent. There are more teams than the Timberwolves in this situation.

 

[sunsfan88]

I think this is generally the case although I'm sure there are coaches who are underachievers with excellent talent. There are more teams than the Timberwolves in this situation.

And there are also coaches who get more out of their players than the players would generally be capable of.

Examples of this would be Brad Stevens, Quin Snyder and David Fitzdale.