Let’s Stop Pretending That Pitchers Can Hit

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Sadly, not everyone is Shohei Ohtani: Pitcher hitting has never been worse, and it’s time to evolve beyond MLB’s vestigial limb and bring the DH to the National League

Complaints about pitcher hitting are not new to the game. The origins of organized DH advocacy extend to the 19th century, and media moaning surfaced more than a century before Bartolo Colon first carried his bat up the baseline and failed to touch first base. “In the press box at Forbes Field the other day several of the baseball writers became involved in a discussion of the prevailing batting weakness among pitchers,” sportswriter Harry Keck wrote in the Pittsburgh Daily Post on August 9, 1917. “The topic was brought up by the spectacle of a pitcher taking three feeble strikes at the ball and walking back to the bench. It is an ordinary happening.”


The Daily Post banner died in 1927. Keck died in 1965. Forbes Field died in 1971. Pitcher hitting is somehow still alive, at least in the NL and in interleague play.

If that citation isn’t archaic enough for you, try the Buffalo Enquirer from October 6, 1896. One subhed in the “Sporting” section of that day’s edition—which, with a nod to the sporting tastes of the time, led with baseball, boxing, bowling, horse racing, sailing, and cycling—proclaimed, “WHY A PITCHER CAN’T HIT.” Within the text, an unnamed pitcher opined of his kind, “He is the least fitted of any man in the game to face another pitcher.” And on April 13, 1905, former big leaguer Bill Friel, then of the minor-league American Association, told the Racine Daily Journal, “Take most of the pitchers of the A.A. today. Put them anywhere else than in the [pitcher’s] box and they are lost. That’s why I argue that they are not ball players, but just pitchers.” Even then, people understood that pitchers needn’t be all-around players, and that was so long ago that an ad on the same newspaper page for a misleadingly named medication called “Herpicide” promised to help “the bald men of today” by encouraging new hair growth in cases where the hair “has not been completely destroyed by parasites that infest it.”

Pitchers have always been bad hitters relative to every other position, but every generation laments the lack of pitcher offense anew because collectively, they keep getting worse. The graph below depicts the decline of pitchers’ offensive production via multiple metrics.


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What’s more, teams are already gradually reducing the part that pitchers play in the batter’s box. Compared to pitchers from previous eras, today’s pitchers have fewer opportunities to hit, even in the non-DH league. The following graph shows the percentage of National League plate appearances that pitchers have made in every season in MLB’s expansion era, which started in 1961.

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https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2018/6/7/17437016/national-league-pitcher-hitting-dh

 

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I used to hate the AL and the DH but things have definitely changed. Everyone has a specialty and kids even start thinking like this at an early age now. Many pitchers don't waste any time learning to hit.

The league has been desperately trying to modernize the game. I think moving to a league wide DH might help.
 
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PATRICK Corbin has the highest BA on the team ;)

1) Corbin hasn't had enough AB to qualify his BA
2) Even if you don't consider 1., Negron and Pollock have a higher BA



So...... :shrug:
 
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1) Corbin hasn't had enough AB to qualify his BA
2) Even if you don't consider 1., Negron and Pollock have a higher BA



So...... :shrug:

Pollock's on the DL
Negron - doesn't have enough AB to qualify, and is back in Reno.
 

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I think if you play in the field you should bat. Period. Pitchers should work on batting just like other position players. If they all are truly mediocre then no team has an advantage.
 
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I think if you play in the field you should bat. Period. Pitchers should work on batting just like other position players. If they all are truly mediocre then no team has an advantage.

You also pushing for "Iron Man" to return to NFL or is it just MLB you want to put out an inferior product?
 
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you had claimed Corbin didn't have enough AB to qualify, but cited Negron, who didn't either, and isn't with the club

Hence the "if you don't consider point 1". Meaning if you discount needing enough AB to qualify, Corbin isn't the leader in BA. Under no scenario was your statement correct was the point. Funny that BIM liked it without checking the stats too.
 

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I have opposed the DH since its inception in the American League. But, like it or not, it is long since established. It has been accepted.

Therefore, I came to the conclusion some time ago that, more importantly than the debate about the merits of it . . .

It is wrong for one professional baseball league (which Major League baseball is) to have conflicting sets of rules.

Does the NFC have different rules than the AFC in the NFL? No! Do the regional Conferences of the NBA have different rules? No!

As a lifetime National League fan, it hurts the National League. When playing DH rules, they have to add a bench player to the batting order.

Whereas the American League has nine hitters in the lineup all the time. And when they play by NL rules, they have a regular available as a pinch hitter.

It clearly favors the American League. As a National League fan, I don't like that. It is time to make the odds even and adopt the DH rule for the NL.

U.S. schools use the DH. Baseball leagues throughout the world (except for one country) use the DH.

I don't like it. But I don't like the advantage it gives the American League even more. And I believe this adds a different perspective to the conversation.
 

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Yet we have used Corbin and Greinke as pinch hitters. But then again, maybe it's because we have starters hitting below the Mendoza line.
 
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And I am not "pretending pitchers can hit".

I am pretending managers can manage around their pitchers hitting prowess, something absent from the awful AL.
 

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The frustrating thing with the DH is the middling way it tries to correct a problem with pitchers batting ability. It leaves you with the very weird circumstance of having one player play only defense (the pitcher), one player play only offense (the DH) and eight other players going both ways.
If you want to see a true improvement to the quality of the overall play, and you aren't insistent on 9 men doing it all, consider another option:

Do it the way football does it. Have a separate offense and defense. Scour the world, find the most acrobatic, biggest armed, mythically good defenders and pitchers to play your defense without having to hold them off or never give them a chance because they can't hit. Then also get the biggest raking mashers and on base guys there are. The ones that were born with a stick in their hand (can't play a lick of defense, but who cares) and send out a lineup of murderers row guys that are the best offensive team you can assemble. Everyone is great at their position, and it doesn't water everything down when everyone has to do everything but only the best generalists get to the majors. It would be a very different game, but the quality of play would be incredible.

Just a fantasy, but having some guys do some of the things all of the time and others doing all of the things some of the time is abortive and dissatisfying.
 

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Much more strategy involved without a DH. I prefer NL style versus AL.

With that said, the players union would never allow the DH to go away. It’s here to stay and I think it’s only inevitable that it will become apart of the NL.
 

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