Let’s Take a Moment to Overreact to Kyler’s IG Page

[Russ Smith]

No you are grasping at straws to defend this guy and calling out people on this board in the process. Do you really know how people on this board reacted to what Burrow did years ago in college? This didn’t happen last week and he wasn’t part of any organization when he did it. But you use this example to say people on this board treat KM more harshly. Sorry I find this way off the mark. If you are comfortable with KM that is fine. Some others aren’t.

no you're putting words in my mouth and then asking me to defend what I didn't say. I didn't use the word harshly. I said people have a different standard for Kyler because he's our Qb.

If you read the game threads every week you see these crazy over the top emotional reactions because it's in the middle of a game. And every now and then someone will ask "do you guys ever watch non Cards games do you realize every team has drops and penalties etc." But we are Cardinals fans so we hold our guys to a different standard.

 

[Mainstreet]

More than that I’m interested in the loooong delay in his making a statement with all the conjecture running rampant. To me that’s as much a statement as the act of removing stuff.

All that said, if this is much ado about nothing we still have the worst element in my opinion . . . the refusal to go back into the game. If that wasn’t the case I’m sure we would’ve heard someone come to his defense on that point. Everything else is opinion, rumor, or conjecture (other than his horrid play - that was on broad display for the whole world to see), but if he really refused to go back into a debacle partially if his making then I:

1. Question his courage;
2. Question his leadership;
3. Wonder how he rallies a team that he literally gave up on in the future;
4. Question his integrity (he gets paid to play)

Leaders are held to a higher standard. This is one of the reasons why good quarterbacks are paid so much money.

Players look to them especially when times get tough. A lot of it is leadership by example. There is no escaping it.

 

[kerouac9]

You need to google it to understand it. If I post what Burrow actually deleted, this thread becomes political. And for the record most of the stuff Burrow deleted, I 100% agree with, and so do you. But he deleted it because he knew it would be seen as political and at that time his politics would be seen in a negative light by some.

But I don't think he did it because he matured, he did it to avoid controversy, and in his case the story was about a 5 minute story and everyone moved on.

Russ Just Asking Questions over here.

 

[Russ Smith]

Lol you and I are usually on the same page about stuff but I think you’re way off here. At worst burrows actions could be viewed as attempting to hide bad history - but it was the history that was the negative, not so much the removal of it. Kylers removal of cards stuff was a statement. It was the actual action under scrutiny. It was the actual “bad” act. So you’re comparing apples and oranges.

Again google it, some suggestions to make it easier to understand what he actually deleted, LSU visits white house after winning national championship would be a good thing t google.

 

[Russ Smith]

Russ Just Asking Questions over here.

no it's Russ attempting to follow the rules of the board because if I actually post what he deleted, it'll be in P and R within the hour.

 

[PJ1]

What part of 'scrubbing his profile' don't you understand?

What part of 'scrubbing his profile' don't you understand?

no you're putting words in my mouth and then asking me to defend what I didn't say. I didn't use the word harshly. I said people have a different standard for Kyler because he's our Qb.

If you read the game threads every week you see these crazy over the top emotional reactions because it's in the middle of a game. And every now and then someone will ask "do you guys ever watch non Cards games do you realize every team has drops and penalties etc." But we are Cardinals fans so we hold our guys to a different standard.

You really believe the lack of commentary on this board about what Burrow did years ago in college proves we hold KM to a higher standard? Ok. Carry on as we are so far apart nothing else needs to be said.

 

[PJ1]

What part of 'scrubbing his profile' don't you understand?

You'll be hard-pressed to find any posts by me excusing KM's play post-injury.

When Kirk was asked about this he said Kyler is just doing what he has to do. He also said what he decides to do in free agency is tied to what happens to KM. This is when I saw it as a message sent.

 

[Ronin]

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[Mainstreet]

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We all have our list of players we want too but you don't always get what you want.

 

[dscher]

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That quote alone makes my belief even stronger in getting rid of Keim. What a dumb comment. You expect your young franchise QB to come around the facility throwing around defensive names!? I'm sure Tom Brady built those defenses in New England as well...

Please wake up MB....

 

[jmt]

Maybe we’ll get to 100 pages for this thread!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You need to google it to understand it. If I post what Burrow actually deleted, this thread becomes political. And for the record most of the stuff Burrow deleted, I 100% agree with, and so do you. But he deleted it because he knew it would be seen as political and at that time his politics would be seen in a negative light by some.

But I don't think he did it because he matured, he did it to avoid controversy, and in his case the story was about a 5 minute story and everyone moved on.

Lol EXACTLY. Burrow did it to avoid controversy. Murray did it to stir up controversy (and while none of us can speak to his exact intent, there’s no deny the outcome - the largely entirely foreseeable outcome - of his actions stirring controversy). Again, apples and oranges.

I feel like this is your example:

Burrow and kyler both opened a package of hot dogs meant for us and each took half of them. Joe put them on the grill and served them to us. Kyler threw them away. Why aren’t we mad equally at them, they both opened the package and took half the hot dogs?!?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Murray is obviously either acting on bad advice or immaturity.

He has to play better. He has to work harder at his craft. I think anyone who disagrees that Murray played like crap in at least 3 of final games that Cardinals lost is being a Murray homer.

With all this said, I'd stick with Murray over Keim and Kingsbury. I'd fire Keim right now if I were Bidwill with Kingsbury being on notice that the team has to play better down the stretch. We have almost a decade of Keim's failures demonstrating why he should go. Kingsbury in my mind gets a pass because the team HAS gotten better under his watch in many different ways.

As far as Murray, I wouldn't look at an extension right now unless it was the team friendly variety.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Murray is obviously either acting on bad advice or immaturity.

He has to play better. He has to work harder at his craft. I think anyone who disagrees that Murray played like crap in at least 3 of final games that Cardinals lost is being a Murray homer.

With all this said, I'd stick with Murray over Keim and Kingsbury. I'd fire Keim right now if I were Bidwill with Kingsbury being on notice that the team has to play better down the stretch. We have almost a decade of Keim's failures demonstrating why he should go. Kingsbury in my mind gets a pass because the team HAS gotten better under his watch in many different ways.

As far as Murray, I wouldn't look at an extension right now unless it was the team friendly variety.

All of this.

 

[Russ Smith]

Lol EXACTLY. Burrow did it to avoid controversy. Murray did it to stir up controversy (and while none of us can speak to his exact intent, there’s no deny the outcome - the largely entirely foreseeable outcome - of his actions stirring controversy). Again, apples and oranges.

I feel like this is your example:

Burrow and kyler both opened a package of hot dogs meant for us and each took half of them. Joe put them on the grill and served them to us. Kyler threw them away. Why aren’t we mad equally at them, they both opened the package and took half the hot dogs?!?

I didn't say it was apples to apples I said I thought it was interesting that the guy who did it to avoid controversy was able to do it and it basically just got dropped. The guy who did it for a reason we don't know yet, got accused of about 5 different things, most of which the team or others have insisted are not true. And he's now being blasted by the media for not explaining himself. And when Kyler did make a statement we had well I don't think he actually wrote that himself, or I don't think he really means that, so he's in a no win situation now anyways. If I were advising Murray I would have put out the statement he did, and then just stopped talking about it. At this point there's nothing he can say that's going to stop the speculation.



I can only assume now it's the offseason so they need stories. I also suspect if I went on Revenge of the Birds and claimed to know someone in the A's organization who told me that Murray will be playing baseball next season, Chuck Harris and Dan Bickley would probably be reporting that by Friday.

I'm pretty sure he was the source of the Bickley rumor and I would bet dollars to donuts it's because last year Kyler called him, and apparently Mitch, a clown for speculating about him. I feel like he decided a year later to get some revenge and Bickley took the bait.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Again google it, some suggestions to make it easier to understand what he actually deleted, LSU visits white house after winning national championship would be a good thing t google.

Again it doesn’t matter what he erased. That’s a separate discussion. He didn’t erase connections to the Bengals so it’s apples and oranges.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Murray is obviously either acting on bad advice or immaturity.

He has to play better. He has to work harder at his craft. I think anyone who disagrees that Murray played like crap in at least 3 of final games that Cardinals lost is being a Murray homer.

With all this said, I'd stick with Murray over Keim and Kingsbury. I'd fire Keim right now if I were Bidwill with Kingsbury being on notice that the team has to play better down the stretch. We have almost a decade of Keim's failures demonstrating why he should go. Kingsbury in my mind gets a pass because the team HAS gotten better under his watch in many different ways.

As far as Murray, I wouldn't look at an extension right now unless it was the team friendly variety.

All of this

 

[Cheesebeef]

All of this

this is getting ridiculous.

 

[Russ Smith]

Again it doesn’t matter what he erased. That’s a separate discussion. He didn’t erase connections to the Bengals so it’s apples and oranges.

I haven't looked but at least 2 people here I trust quite clearly have posted repeatedly Murray didn't delete stuff off his IG Stories so the Cards stuff is still there.

I don't have Murray on IG I think I have about 5 people and I never post there myself so I have no idea what used to be on his page or what is now but apparently he still has Cards stuff on it, just in the stories part. Which if I understand IG correctly means if you don't follow him, you can't see it?

 

[QuebecCard]

Murray is obviously either acting on bad advice or immaturity.

He has to play better. He has to work harder at his craft. I think anyone who disagrees that Murray played like crap in at least 3 of final games that Cardinals lost is being a Murray homer.

With all this said, I'd stick with Murray over Keim and Kingsbury. I'd fire Keim right now if I were Bidwill with Kingsbury being on notice that the team has to play better down the stretch. We have almost a decade of Keim's failures demonstrating why he should go. Kingsbury in my mind gets a pass because the team HAS gotten better under his watch in many different ways.

As far as Murray, I wouldn't look at an extension right now unless it was the team friendly variety.

Well, by extension the team has gotten better under Keim, not simply KK.

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

Interesting that deleting 99% of the content from a person's Instagram is seen as worse than deleting racist content. Also weird that people are still trying to claim that Kyler specifically targeted and deleted Cardinals content.. But w/e.

Kyler has been deleting comments from his Twitch fans that are critical of Keim, so maybe he's trying to calm the situation down and move on.

 

[tnmike]

Scrubs his Instagram then says nothing about it for days then releases a statement saying "I'm not about all of this nonsense." Uh, you started all of this nonsense.

How is that anybody's business with what he did?

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

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[Chris_Sanders]

T.J. Watt: NFL fined me for saying I checked my phone during halftime of Week 18

Steelers linebacker T.J. Watt tied the NFL’s official single-season sack record by dropping Ravens quarterback Tyler Huntley for a loss during the first half of a Week 18 game between the AFC North teams, but he thought he might have actually broken the record. Watt tackled Huntley for a loss...

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Apparently it is against NFL rules to even look at your phone during half time and you face hefty fines for doing so

So that Bickley story is indeed a gigantic lie

 

[Russ Smith]

Interesting that deleting 99% of the content from a person's Instagram is seen as worse than deleting racist content. Also weird that people are still trying to claim that Kyler specifically targeted and deleted Cardinals content.. But w/e.

Kyler has been deleting comments from his Twitch fans that are critical of Keim, so maybe he's trying to calm the situation down and move on.

To be clear I'm not aware of Burrow deleting racist comments, or making any. He deleted political commentary that became problematic as he got famous and was suddenly dealing with some of the people he commented on.