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The rumor in today's New York Post is Jason Kidd to Sacramento for Mike Bibby and Turkuglo. Of course they acknowledge that that is only a rumor. Isn't Mike Bibby a BYC player?

Actually, if Jason Kidd was going to leave New Jersey high and dry I can't think of a better sign and trade for them. Jason Kidd is a good fit for the Nets, but I doubt their level of play would drop much.

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Even though he wasn't great in the playoffs this year, Bibby is still the only guy who wants the ball in crunch time. Bibby is a much better shooter than Kidd, but Kidd is a better passer. Kidd would make Sacramento a great regular season team, but they would get ousted by the Lakers or Spurs in a seven game series.
 
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Originally posted by Freddie
Even though he wasn't great in the playoffs this year, Bibby is still the only guy who wants the ball in crunch time. Bibby is a much better shooter than Kidd, but Kidd is a better passer. Kidd would make Sacramento a great regular season team, but they would get ousted by the Lakers or Spurs in a seven game series.

See I think Sacramento would be the perfect fit for Jason Kidd. They would be enough talent around him to compensate for his poor shooting, and they could probably run even better than the New Jersey Nets.

How about these rumors from a Denver columnist? I think this guy is off his rocker. I don't even think league rules allow for some of the trades he suggests (negotiating rights to Elton Brand). I also think that while Arenas and Ford would be exciting on offense they would get destroyed on the other end of the court because they would be so undersized. - Joe Mama

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~111~1462038,00.html

Selecting Anthony is uncool
By Woody Paige, Post Sports Columnist


Mellow out, Denver. 'Melo out, Nuggets.

As the lone dissenter of the universe, regretfully I must announce that Carmelo Anthony is not the way to the future. No 'weghe.

Everyone was so goo-gah over Anthony's brief manifestation in Our Fair City and is drooling to pick him, without quarrel, in the No. 3 spot in the NBA draft next week.

Not so fast, hoopoafs.

The Nuggets can do better in the draft and get better in the NBA.

Adding a 19-year-old, 6-foot-7 forward who possesses a swell shot and nice ballhandling skills is not enough. Anthony has an ordinary vertical leap, is not quick off the dribble, can't rebound, isn't effective inside, won't play defense and hasn't shown a strong work ethic. He won't lead the Nuggets to the playoffs next season or to the NBA championship - ever.

The Nuggets shouldn't wrap themselves in Carmelo, but I'm afraid Kiki Vandeweghe will because the Orangeman from Syracuse is the safe, simple choice.

You can shake the trees, and small forwards who shoot, but offer little else, will fall like horseapples.

There are alternatives that make more sense.

The Nuggets desperately need a point guard and a power forward.

(And a new coach, of course, but the junior high school gym teacher on the bench will be dismissed sometime next season when the general manager finally realizes just how clueless he is. You can hire someone to dress him up, but you can't take this guy anywhere in the Western Conference.) The Nuggets can't afford another screwup like Kiki's Karma of last year in the draft at No. 5.

So they have to trade the third.

It's not as if Anthony has sold any season tickets or sold any of the NBA experts in America on the notion that he's the next Michael Jordan. Instead, we're supposed to be thrilled that another all-star game is coming to town. (Give me the old ABA All-Star Game with the first slam-dunk contest, and a Nuggets front line of David Thompson, Bobby Jones and Dan Issel.) The draft-downsizing deal has several intriguing possibilities, and by the end of this column, you will agree.

The Nuggets should cut a deal with the Los Angeles Clippers, who have the sixth overall selection, or the Chicago Bulls, who follow at No. 7.

Vandeweghe admitted Monday he is willing to listen to proposals. Anthony's name was not glued permanently on a cubicle in the Nuggets' locker room.

No matter what deal the Nuggets pull off, they must use their available salary cap millions to sign guard Gilbert Arenas - who can play point or shooting guard - and make a run at one of two 7-footers: Brad Miller or Michael Olowokandi.

* Trade 1: The Nuggets send the rights to Anthony and veteran Marcus Camby to the Bulls for the No. 7 pick, plus guard Jay Williams (the second pick in the 2002 draft) and power forward Marcus Fizer.

Marcus for Marcus. This trade has been speculated around the league. Williams generally was considered a bust in his first season, but he did lead all rookies in assists, and there's still genuine belief that he eventually will be an outstanding point guard. Fizer was rated among the league's premier sixth men until tearing his ACL on Jan. 31. The legitimate power forward (6-8, 260 pounds) has been pronounced fit to begin workouts again and should be ready for training camp.

The Nuggets' pick at No. 7 would be point guard T.J. Ford.

* Trade 2: The Nuggets trade the third pick to the Bulls for the seventh pick and one of two young big men - Eddy Curry or Tyson Chandler. Curry and Chandler both passed up college, but their careers have progressed rather quickly and impressively.

(Ford still would be the pick unless 18-year-old Russian Pavel Podkolzin - who is 7-4 and weighs 303 - slips to seventh.)

* Trade 3: The Nuggets trade that No. 3 to the Clippers for the sixth pick and negotiating rights to power forward (6-8, 265) Elton Brand, who is a restricted free agent. (Once another club makes an offer, the Nuggets would have 15 days to match it.) His status will be unrestricted next season, but the Nuggets could sign him now to a long-term contract. Ford would be there at No. 6.

* Trade 4: I've already suggested the Nuggets trade the No. 3 for Toronto's Vince Carter.

Toronto has the fourth pick. The Nuggets could swap places with the Raptors if Toronto gave them power forward Antonio Davis.

Trade 3 is my favorite. Here's what the Nuggets could end up with:

Point guard - Ford. The University of Texas sophomore will be an all-star guard (in Denver in 2005). He is special, and the Nuggets haven't played with a big-time point guard since Fat Lever.

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Shooting guard - Arenas. He was voted most improved in the league with Golden State. He can play either backcourt position with class and talent.

Power forward - Brand. He averaged 18.5 points and 11.3 rebounds a game last season, and he's a good guy and a team player.

Center - Nene. Like Pele and Madonna. If he can take another step up from his rookie season, Nene won't be a one-name or one-year wonder.

Small forward - Nikoloz Tskitishvili. Tsk, Tsk as a rookie. If he continues to be a Georgia pit instead of peach, other small forwards will be easy to find. Just shake the trees.

The Nuggets would have Camby and Olowokandi as two more big men in reserve with an assortment of little men.

That team (with a new coach) sells hope and playoff tickets and a potential title.

Or the Nuggets can try to sell Denver on another placid draft pick.
 

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See I think Sacramento would be the perfect fit for Jason Kidd. They would be enough talent around him to compensate for his poor shooting, and they could probably run even better than the New Jersey Nets

I, too, think they would be a better open court team with Kidd running the break. However, when it comes to crunch time I don't think they'd be better. Sacramento doesn't magically fix jump shots and if you leave Kidd open he'll miss. Bibby is better at getting to the hole in the half court and runs the pick-and-roll pretty good.

Stojakovic has continually choked during crunch time. Remember the game against the Mavs this year? I think he finished with 37 points, but did that in 3.5 quarters. I think that game went double OT.
Vlade's flops don't work.
Webber has the potential.
Christie? Lets get real.
Jackson? He's a possibility.
 

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Woody Paige is a freakin whack job. I dont know how often he's right, cause he's such a weirdo I cant usually finish listening to anything he says.
 

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Originally posted by schutd
Woody Paige is a freakin whack job. I dont know how often he's right, cause he's such a weirdo I cant usually finish listening to anything he says.

He's the same guy that's touting Jake Plummer as the best QB in the NFL. Woody is a total idiot, and anything he says, much like John Gambadoro, can be written off as ignorance.
 

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
He's the same guy that's touting Jake Plummer as the best QB in the NFL. Woody is a total idiot, and anything he says, much like John Gambadoro, can be written off as ignorance.

I just emailed him about that article, here's what I wrote.

"Well I see your "knowledge" isn't just limited to football. What an uncanny article that was. Let's see a guy who averaged 10 RPG as a true freshman at Syracuse last year can't rebound? A guy who was the best baseline scorer in America(did you watch the NCAA tourney?) last year can't score inside? Anthony is not McGrady or Kobe he's not a blur or a super leaper, but he can run and jump and score, I predict he'll have a better rookie year than either LeBron or Darko. A lot of NBA people agree, Jerry West(you know the logo) loves Carmelo, thinks he's the most polished player in the draft by far.

But your column doesn't stop there, you then advocate several trades you claim are being discussed, several of which aren't even remotely doable under the NBA salary cap rules, one of which involves trading the "rights" to a RFA which the NBA collective bargaining agreement currently forbids near as I can tell.

Then let's see your personnel moves. Sign Gilbert arenas as a FA, great young player, combo guard converting to PG. Trade for Jay Williams, talented young player, bit of a combo guard, primarily a PG. With the #7 pick you want to draft TJ Ford, nice young player, PG. So you plan on playing all 3 PG's together?

What's your next column about, how Preston Wilson's surge this year has nothing to do with playing in Coors Field it's coincidence so many hitters have career years there?"
 

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Originally posted by Russ Smith
I just emailed him about that article, here's what I wrote.

"Well I see your "knowledge" isn't just limited to football. What an uncanny article that was. Let's see a guy who averaged 10 RPG as a true freshman at Syracuse last year can't rebound? A guy who was the best baseline scorer in America(did you watch the NCAA tourney?) last year can't score inside? Anthony is not McGrady or Kobe he's not a blur or a super leaper, but he can run and jump and score, I predict he'll have a better rookie year than either LeBron or Darko. A lot of NBA people agree, Jerry West(you know the logo) loves Carmelo, thinks he's the most polished player in the draft by far.

But your column doesn't stop there, you then advocate several trades you claim are being discussed, several of which aren't even remotely doable under the NBA salary cap rules, one of which involves trading the "rights" to a RFA which the NBA collective bargaining agreement currently forbids near as I can tell.

Then let's see your personnel moves. Sign Gilbert arenas as a FA, great young player, combo guard converting to PG. Trade for Jay Williams, talented young player, bit of a combo guard, primarily a PG. With the #7 pick you want to draft TJ Ford, nice young player, PG. So you plan on playing all 3 PG's together?

What's your next column about, how Preston Wilson's surge this year has nothing to do with playing in Coors Field it's coincidence so many hitters have career years there?"

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I don't think Jason Kidd would really improve Sacramento.

They are already the best team or one of the top 3 teams on the fastbreak.
What can Jason Kidd add to their team that they don't have already?

Also their offense runs through the highpost anyway.

For Jason Kidd Sacramento would be an awesome fit, but is Jason Kidd such a good fit for Sacramento?
 

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Has anyone else seen the No.4 and Antonio Davis to Dallas for Raef Lafrentz and the No.28 rumor? I think that if dallas could actually swing that, it could help a lot.

I guess toronto likes a couple of the late first round picks, and raef's ability to spread the floor. They also think he will be much better suited in the east (probably true). But I mean Dallas will get Davis and the no. 4 pick. They would have so many options with that, and could afford a project like Pavel for example since their depth is so huge already.
 
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If I am Toronto's general manager I'm not sure I would trade Antonio Davis for Raef LaFrentz straight up. There's no way in hell I would give up the #4 draft pick for the second to last pick in the first round as well.

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not sure about any rumors, but i have a feeling jerry west down in memphis will make some moves. i heard a possible one with portland. (potentially involving rasheed or gasol) but they are looking for a third team.

portland will probably shake up their roster as well.

any suns rumors??? those are the most interesting:)
 

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I was hoping the Suns could swing a Penny & #17 for Swift and Person trade. The Grizzlies are looking to move up, and having 2 draft picks in the top 20 could pry the #7 pick from Chicago
 

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Originally posted by S_Marbury
I was hoping the Suns could swing a Penny & #17 for Swift and Person trade. The Grizzlies are looking to move up, and having 2 draft picks in the top 20 could pry the #7 pick from Chicago

That wouldn't be close to a possibility just based on $$$$.
 

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My addition to the weird trades of the day... :D

Golden State trades:

Danny Fortson
Mike Dunleavy
#11 pick

Phoenix trades:

Bo Outlaw
Casey Jacobsen
#17 pick

The biggest problem in this trade is the length and size of Fortson's contract.
 
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Originally posted by Chaplin
My addition to the weird trades of the day... :D

Golden State trades:

Danny Fortson
Mike Dunleavy
#11 pick

Phoenix trades:

Bo Outlaw
Casey Jacobsen
#17 pick

The biggest problem in this trade is the length and size of Fortson's contract.

I have a feeling Golden State would find that trade to be a complete ripoff. I'm not sure they would do it even if you left Dunleavy and Jacobsen out of it. I don't think there's any way they would include last year's #3 draft pick for Casey Jacobsen.

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
I have a feeling Golden State would find that trade to be a complete ripoff. I'm not sure they would do it even if you left Dunleavy and Jacobsen out of it. I don't think there's any way they would include last year's #3 draft pick for Casey Jacobsen.

Joe Mama

Of course, right now, last year's #3 draft pick looks like a #17 draft pick this year, doesn't he?
 

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I have a feeling Golden State would find that trade to be a complete ripoff. I'm not sure they would do it even if you left Dunleavy and Jacobsen out of it.

I can imagine them doing it without the two rookies from last year (i.e. a trade of Fortson and #11 for Outlaw and #17), but only if they don't have a clear idea of what they want at #11.

Dunleavy started to show signs at the end of the season. They won't trade him now.

I like Fortson, but he does seem to have a serious attitude problem, and he's too small to play center (not that Outlaw isn't also too small). I think the Suns will be able to get a better deal for Outlaw sooner or later, if they want to trade him at all.
 

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I would agree you just don't send a #3 pick for a low first rounder and no all-star. Plus not sure if we could realy use Mike, Marion will have that starting sf spot for a few years.
 

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Originally posted by SweetD
I would agree you just don't send a #3 pick for a low first rounder and no all-star. Plus not sure if we could realy use Mike, Marion will have that starting sf spot for a few years.

Huh? Who said anything about Dunleavy being a starter?
 

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Danny Fortson and #11 for Bo Outlaw and #17 I would definately consider. But we didn't have any of the better prospects in for workouts that would make it pretty tough to draft someone at #11.

Plus Danny Fortson has shown a real bad attitude the last year while Bo Outlaw has an outstanding attitude that it is very important for this team.

How about Casey Jacobsen to the Jazz for #18(Delfino)? Something tells me the Jazz would be a team that is more likely to be interessted in Casey than most other teams.
 
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I wonder how Marbury and the rest of the game would feel about the Suns trading Bo Outlaw.

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