Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[Chopper0080]

Minnesota tagging him.

Maybe. (I don't think so but it is a possibility)

 

[D-Dogg]

I'm sure I posted it here at the time but the USC fans I knew were jumping for joy when we hire Kliff. They REALLY didn't buy into him they thought he was going to be a disaster at USC because USC has always been a pro style offense and they saw KK as a gimmick.

Sure is working now with Daniels

I think l he learned a lot from his time here and then at USC. His route trees are much better.

I was one of the last off the Kliff bandwagon here, I don't think he can handle OC and HC duties, he CERTAINLY couldn't then. But, he can be a good OC if in the right environment.

 

[Chopper0080]

People are saying they think he gets 4-5 years at 40 a year

I don't believe any team with do this.

 

[Chopper0080]

I could see teams being willing to pay 3yrs, 35 mil per. I don't see a team giving him 3 years. NFL teams are too risk averse.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think l he learned a lot from his time here and then at USC. His route trees are much better.

I was one of the last off the Kliff bandwagon here, I don't think he can handle OC and HC duties, he CERTAINLY couldn't then. But, he can be a good OC if in the right environment.

The concern with USC fans, and it was pre NIL when they were buying kids without everyone being allowed to, was KK would hurt recruiting. That people would no longer see USC as a good place to develop for the NFL because they ran a gimmick offense

 

[Russ Smith]

I could see teams being willing to pay 3yrs, 35 mil per. I don't see a team giving him 3 years. NFL teams are too risk averse.

Really depends on how many teams are looking for QB's at the time he signs. Most people compare him somewhat to Geno Smith 3 years 75 from Seattle, and Baker Mayfield, 3 years 100 from Tampa. Neither of them were coming off a 4000 yards 35 TD's less than 15 picks type year. Right now Darnold has nearly 3800 31 and 11. Geno had a serious injury in his past and lots of people didn't think Mayfield was to be trusted he was just too reckless.

It's probably because I'm so down on this years QB class in the draft but I think anybody wanting a QB is going to be competing for Darnold so he'll get a deal beyond those 2 deals both in salary and years

 

[HairZach]

I just want to comment that the interception on a pass where Kyler was a full yard beyond the line of scrimmage was the dumbest play I've ever seen in the NFL. The last time I remember that happening was the TCU vs. Cal 2018 Cheeze-It Bowl, a battle of 4th and 5th string QBs.

Btw I highly recommend this game to anyone with some spare time. 9 interceptions and 0 passing touchdowns. Demercado was the RB 2 for TCU. Jalen Reagor and Kavontae Turpin, the WR1 and 2 for TCU were held catchless.

 

[SoonerLou]

There's a universe where things get really ugly in ARZ next season SoonerLou.

I don't think it's likely, because I think overall the roster will get better. We'll tweak the Oline and WR room a little. MHJ will surely be better in 2025, Schedule won't be so tough, etc.

But we (on the board) knew it was a thing since 2020, and now I bet you a million dollars it gets talked about to death in the offseason. Next year if Murray doesn't play better in critical/pressure situations, they'll bench him, and then everything will descend into chaos.

Kinda fitting. He's on Daniel Jones collision course of being demoted to 3rd string if we don't start strong next season.

This sucks. Weirdly enough Im still more upset about 2020/2021. This team was nowhere near as good as those teams. While Kyler is more efficient now he's less dynamic. Those were the seasons to cash some goodwill for a team that was always a year away.

He's going to have to do some soul searching cause no one will care what he does until December.

 

[Solar7]

I'm going to pat myself on the back again on this one and point out that Kyler's who I said he would be... a divisive player like Jameis Winston. Not in playstyle, but the tantalizing opportunities that energize a fanbase mixed with an attitude and poor play in spurts that drives the fanbase crazy.

 

[Russ Smith]

I will say this, perfectly willing to move on if there's a plan that's not let's get rid of Kyler and then find someone better, you have to have that person identified I'm not interested in losing for Arch Manning and then he refuses to sign with us.

But the people saying well we can't run a timing offense because Kyler is always late on the throws, how many times do NFL analysts who actually talk to OUR coaches before games have to tell us that Marv isn't running the routes correctly before people accept that the timing is NOT just Kyler, it's Marv?

 

[Solar7]

I will say this, perfectly willing to move on if there's a plan that's not let's get rid of Kyler and then find someone better, you have to have that person identified I'm not interested in losing for Arch Manning and then he refuses to sign with us.

But the people saying well we can't run a timing offense because Kyler is always late on the throws, how many times do NFL analysts who actually talk to OUR coaches before games have to tell us that Marv isn't running the routes correctly before people accept that the timing is NOT just Kyler, it's Marv?

I do totally get where you're coming from, but there isn't going to be a simple plan with this. Moving on is going to require eating money and taking a leap of faith. We can't guarantee who is going to be available or where we pick.

Unfortunately I'm of the mindset that he's stuck here next year no matter what... but that doesn't mean we can't bring in competition. We can't tell who is going to be on the market. Mayfield and Darnold were left for dead in recent seasons and have now outplayed Kyler. Trust me, I don't yearn for the days of retreads and QB purgatory... but we're currently in highly paid QB purgatory. At some point we have to rip off the band-aid.

As far as the timing routes go... it's not just Marv. This isn't Kyler's first year out there. He's almost always had this problem. Even with his best friend Hollywood Brown.