Let's talk about trading down...

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Again, those are reasons teams won’t want to trade up. If this draft wasn’t so deep at WR/OT I could see a team being desperate enough for someone at #8.

In this draft, Simmons fell to 8 and Cards made them over pay for him since they wanted him for themselves.

 

[football karma]

Again, those are reasons teams won’t want to trade up. If this draft wasn’t so deep at WR/OT I could see a team being desperate enough for someone at #8.

is all that going to happen? no

but i stand by the idea that nearly every team picking #9-#17 has a plausible reason it may want to trade up.

If the Cards want to trade down, i think there will be opportunities. Heck -- CLE and NYG might believe that Andrew Thomas is the only true, day 1 starting LT in the four. Would they give up an extra 3rd to get that one player vs. hoping that Wirfs or Wills can move over? We will see.

 

[Zeno]

The Cardinals have set up or have had a lot of meetings with prospects considered late 1st or early second round picks, that leaves me to believe that they are at least exploring the idea of moving down and have several of those guys on their radar if it happens. I think they probably have 2-3 guys they really like at 8 and if they are gone and they get what they consider a reasonable offer they will trade down. Whether that will turn out to be the smart move or not time will tell.

 

[AZ Native]

Keim trading down is suicide. Just take the BPA. Keim has shown he cannot draft well.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Keim trading down is suicide. Just take the BPA. Keim has shown he cannot draft well.

Until he does. I mean he's bound to hit on one some time soon. Just due to the law of averages. Isn't he?

 

[Finito]

In this draft, Simmons fell to 8 and Cards made them over pay for him since they wanted him for themselves.

nope don’t pass up generational talent

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Until he does. I mean he's bound to hit on one some time soon. Just due to the law of averages. Isn't he?

A broken watch is right twice a day.

I don't have much confidence in SK to even be a broken watch.

If he could just be as good at drafting as he is in making trades.

 

[football karma]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-falcons-among-teams-interested-in-moving-up/

 

[PJ1]

If we can't get a second for moving down I can't get too excited about it. Obviously if we can get the guy we want anyway and pick up a pick that would be great.

 

[imaCafan]

So let's say Denver trades 15 and 46 for our #8. I looked at a mock that had Denver take ILB K. Murrey at 15 and WR J. Reagor at 46. Would those 2 be better than, say, Wills or Brown?

 

[football karma]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-falcons-among-teams-interested-in-moving-up/

at the risk of Harry not responding to me -- with multiple teams looking for OT help, they are likely to call Carolina under the conventional wisdom that AZ is a lock for OT.

I have seen many mock drafts where Simmons lasts until 7, but always gets taken by Carolina. The scenarios where Simmons makes it to 7, nearly all have the NYG taking an OT at #4.
So -- TB or a DEN gives up their 2nd because they know with one OT off the board, and AZ, NYJ and CLE coming up -- none will last until their pick, Carolina, in rebuilding mode, decides the extra pick is worth it.

Simmons drops to AZ.

 

[slanidrac16]

The problem I have with trading back no further than the 13th pick is I'm greedy and want a 2nd round pick. The value chart doesn't work out for that trade to work. I don't know if there's a player at 8 that someone would overpay for except a quarterback.

You can get a second round pick if you add a fourth in the trade.

 

[Stout]

Until he does. I mean he's bound to hit on one some time soon. Just due to the law of averages. Isn't he?

All the more reason to stay and pick at #8 rather than trade down and give him multiple lesser picks.

 

[AZman5103]

Just had the best draft simulation ever. Traded down with the Cowboys:

17: R1P17

EDGE K'LAVON CHAISSON
LSU

51: R2P19

DL JAVON KINLAW
SOUTH CAROLINA

72: R3P8

G NETANE MUTI
FRESNO STATE

87: R3P23

C TYLER BIADASZ
WISCONSIN

98: R3P34

S JEREMY CHINN
SOUTHERN ILLINOIS

114: R4P8

RB ZACK MOSS
UTAH

123: R4P17

CB LAVERT HILL
MICHIGAN

131: R4P25

OT TREY ADAMS
WASHINGTON

202: R6P23

DL RAEQUAN WILLIAMS
MICHIGAN STATE

222: R7P8

TE STEPHEN SULLIVAN
LSU

 

[AZ Native]

Until he does. I mean he's bound to hit on one some time soon. Just due to the law of averages. Isn't he?

Possibly. But I will go with the averages.

 

[TheCardFan]

My #1 option is to stay at #8 and take an impact player like Simmons. If he is gone, I am 90% leaning toward trading down IF we can get a 2nd round pick (a 3rd is not worth it unless we are only moving down 1 or 2 spots).

Hopefully, teams will get desperate and compete with each other for the #8 spot but here is the trade value chart:

8th pick is worth 1,400

16th pick (Atlanta) - 1,000. They have a 2nd round pick (#47 worth 430). = 1,430

• 5th round pick is typically in the 30 point range but we don't have one this year (maybe trade next years)?

15th pick (Denver) - 1,050. They have a 2nd round pick (#46 worth 440) - 1,490

• We would probably have to return our 2nd 4th round pick (#131 worth 41) = 1,491

1. If we trade down to 15-16, who would you want/who do you think will be there?
2. Who would you want to pick in 2nd round (@46-47)?

 

[BullheadCardFan]

My #1 option is to stay at #8 and take an impact player like Simmons. If he is gone, I am 90% leaning toward trading down IF we can get a 2nd round pick (a 3rd is not worth it unless we are only moving down 1 or 2 spots).

Hopefully, teams will get desperate and compete with each other for the #8 spot but here is the trade value chart:

8th pick is worth 1,400

16th pick (Atlanta) - 1,000. They have a 2nd round pick (#47 worth 430). = 1,430

• 5th round pick is typically in the 30 point range but we don't have one this year (maybe trade next years)?

15th pick (Denver) - 1,050. They have a 2nd round pick (#46 worth 440) - 1,490

• We would probably have to return our 2nd 4th round pick (#131 worth 41) = 1,491

1. If we trade down to 15-16, who would you want/who do you think will be there?
2. Who would you want to pick in 2nd round (@46-47)?

Interesting option.

But the question is who would we pick at 15 or 16 and will they be an impact player?

 

[Garthshort]

Only thing I'm sure about, that no matter how far we move back, SK will say that we got one of the two guys that we would have selected had we stayed at #8.

 

[Harry]

Interesting option.

But the question is who would we pick at 15 or 16 and will they be an impact player?

My #1 option is to stay at #8 and take an impact player like Simmons. If he is gone, I am 90% leaning toward trading down IF we can get a 2nd round pick (a 3rd is not worth it unless we are only moving down 1 or 2 spots).

Hopefully, teams will get desperate and compete with each other for the #8 spot but here is the trade value chart:

8th pick is worth 1,400

16th pick (Atlanta) - 1,000. They have a 2nd round pick (#47 worth 430). = 1,430

• 5th round pick is typically in the 30 point range but we don't have one this year (maybe trade next years)?

15th pick (Denver) - 1,050. They have a 2nd round pick (#46 worth 440) - 1,490

• We would probably have to return our 2nd 4th round pick (#131 worth 41) = 1,491

1. If we trade down to 15-16, who would you want/who do you think will be there?
2. Who would you want to pick in 2nd round (@46-47)?

You could give Atl next year’s fourth. The Cards have enough depth options there are at least 6 players who they could choose amongst.

 

[football karma]

i think LV at 12 is an option

im using a diff trade value chart than you: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...des-to-create-blueprint-for-draft-day-action/

but it suggests that value of moving from #8 to #12 is a 3rd and a 4th round pick

while id prefer a 2nd, having two 3rds and three 4th round picks would allow the team to package a third and a fourth and move into the bottom of the 2nd

 

[TheCardFan]

im using a diff trade value chart than you:

Did it change?

This is the only one I have seen before..AKA the Jimmy Johnson model.

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=ari

 

[Proximo]

Simmons or Okudah

Otherwise trade down is the most logical move

HENDERSON CB great cb with excellent lenght and skillset

K'LAVON CHAISSON OLB all the tools to be a star

ANDREW THOMAS OT one of the best tackle, ready to play from day 1 and coming from most competitive conference

RUGGS/LAMB/JEUDY WRS different skills but very talented

JAVON KINLAW DE/DT some Chris Jones potential

Yes, this.

I think trading with Denver is what is going to happen. They want Jeudy, we are the right pick to guarantee they get him, and their pick is high enough we can do it (15) without losing much at all.

I am not sure if okudah is worth picking at 8 or not - it would depend on the package we are offered to move down. Simmons on the other hand is a slam dunk to pick at 8.

 

[Proximo]

So let's say Denver trades 15 and 46 for our #8. I looked at a mock that had Denver take ILB K. Murrey at 15 and WR J. Reagor at 46. Would those 2 be better than, say, Wills or Brown?

We would not take K.Murray at 15.

We would take the best of Chaison, Kinlaw, the WR's or the 4 tackles, and 1 or more of those is guaranteed to be there.

My answer is I think we would be better off with that unless Simmons is available, who I think is a defensive stud.

 

[Proximo]

You could give Atl next year’s fourth. The Cards have enough depth options there are at least 6 players who they could choose amongst.

We already gave next years 4th to Houston.

 

[TheCardFan]

2018 draft:

Buffalo traded up to 7 from 12 and got 2 2nd round picks.

Using original trade value chart:

7th pick plus 255th = 1,501
12th pick plus 53rd and 56th = 1,910 (Buffalo gave up more for a QB)

No. 7: Tampa Bay → Buffalo (D). Tampa Bay traded first- and seventh-round selections (7th and 255th) to Buffalo in exchange for Buffalo's first-round selection (12th) and two second-round selections (53rd and 56th).