Locking In For 2006

[WildBB]

Gambodoro earlier in his program today stated that the next two yrs. the Cards just want to see improvement.

They're really setting there sights for the 2006 season when they move into the new stadium to really make their push.

If that's the case, why pass on Big Ben who would've been in his 3rd yr. then?
A crucial mistake in the gameplan?

 

[Redsz]

Is there really any benefit in discussing this BB? We never intended to pick him. Let it go man.

 

[Ryanwb]

In Minnesota, Green's system has proven to be successful with any QB thrown under center. This team is lacking a RB and a more solid OL unit.....

Roethlisberger would have been nice, but he would have been a luxury under Green's system

 

[WildBB]

Is there really any benefit in discussing this BB? We never intended to pick him. Let it go man.

There are posters here who specified Graves wanted him and yielded to the new guy - Green for the first draft.

Green's on record as stating he doesn't want to draft a QB, Josh is the guy.

Again - mistake in gameplan?

 

[WildBB]

In Minnesota, Green's system has proven to be successful with any QB thrown under center. This team is lacking a RB and a more solid OL unit.....

Roethlisberger would have been nice, but he would have been a luxury under Green's system

Like Culpepper, that kind of luxury.

 

[Redsz]

There are posters here who specified Graves wanted him and yielded to the new guy - Green for the first draft.

Green's on record as stating he doesn't want to draft a QB, Josh is the guy.

Again - mistake in gameplan?

Never heard that Graves wanted Roth.

It may have been a mistake in Graves gameplan. But Green makes the calls and he wanted Fitzgerald from the start.

 

[WildBB]

Never heard that Graves wanted Roth.

It may have been a mistake in Graves gameplan. But Green makes the calls and he wanted Fitzgerald from the start.

Graves is the personel director - he LET Green have his way - 1st Draft.

Is Fitz going to be THE FRANCHISE?

 

[john h]

Is there really any benefit in discussing this BB? We never intended to pick him. Let it go man.

To understand the present or even the future you need to understand the past. If you learn from past mistakes you are heading in the right direction but if you ignore past mistake or do not even recognize them you are doomed to eternal football hell.

 

[john h]

In Minnesota, Green's system has proven to be successful with any QB thrown under center. This team is lacking a RB and a more solid OL unit.....

Roethlisberger would have been nice, but he would have been a luxury under Green's system

I keep hearing about Green's "system". Can anyone please put into words exactly what Green's system is. I can understand what the westcoast offense is. It is definable. Dennis Green's system seems undefinable. People get fired for not buying into this mysterious system. This system must have been developed in Area 51 and only Dennis knows what it is.

 

[Russ Smith]

Never heard that Graves wanted Roth.

It may have been a mistake in Graves gameplan. But Green makes the calls and he wanted Fitzgerald from the start.

That's what I've been told, that it was well known Graves wanted Ben until we hired Green. Green had to convinced Graves that Josh was the guy and we should take Fitz.

 

[FrontRow]

Ben would not look the same behind our O line. Get Josh some time and see what he can do back there. We should blow up the existing front and start anew through the 05 draft and FA.

If they don't lock up Quan and Wilson before Nov. 7th (the day that they can count a big portion of the money toward this year) I am going to be pissed.

 

[Russ Smith]

Ben would not look the same behind our O line. Get Josh some time and see what he can do back there. We should blow up the existing front and start anew through the 05 draft and FA.

If they don't lock up Quan and Wilson before Nov. 7th (the day that they can count a big portion of the money toward this year) I am going to be pissed.

Again you can't just state that as fact. Teams may not blitz us with abandon if Ben were the QB. Look what he did to New England when they tried it, he beat them downfield, and he did so while under pressure.

Some of the reason blitzes look so effective against us HAS to be the QB, when you drop your head and start drifting around you're not looking downfield so all you can do is run. That just invites more blitzes. Ben doesn't do this, he looks downfield first and while he's moving around.

Ben is a better QB in 5 starts that Josh is in 10, with 2 more NFL camps under his belt, and that helps his team.

 

[Redsz]

To understand the present or even the future you need to understand the past. If you learn from past mistakes you are heading in the right direction but if you ignore past mistake or do not even recognize them you are doomed to eternal football hell.

If your always looking backward, you will never go forward.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Ben nor Leftwich for that matter are on this team. Talking about how we should or could have drafted these guys is pointless. They aren't here. Move on.

 

[Redsz]

Graves is the personel director - he LET Green have his way - 1st Draft.

You know, Graves sure seemed to "let" Mac get the guys he wanted. And I'm willing to bet that Graves will "let" Green get the guys he wants for as long as he is here.

Is Fitz going to be THE FRANCHISE?

Who knows? Is Ben? Time will tell.

 

[Red Dawn]

I liked Ben the first time I saw him play, Elway came to mind. He is lighting up the league right now, but a fair comparison to McCown is not possible. It seems like for years, the Steelers have had a good team; what has been missing is the QB to put it all together. If you put Ben in Cardinal Red I would surmise that he would have the same deer in the headlights look that Josh shows at times. In other words, the rest of the Steeler team is better than the Cards, so Ben has a much better chance of surviving and excelling. Shotgun? Josh might stand a chance to get a pass off is they line him up 7 yards back and replace Step with Hodel. It's funny how the team's with the best OL's have the best records.

 

[jmr667]

Gambodoro earlier in his program today stated that the next two yrs. the Cards just want to see improvement.

They're really setting there sights for the 2006 season when they move into the new stadium to really make their push.

If that's the case, why pass on Big Ben who would've been in his 3rd yr. then?
A crucial mistake in the gameplan?

Green has been clear about at least one thing. He does not draft based on need. He drafts best player available.
Which is good because the team had so many needs going into last years draft they would have needed about 20 rounds to fill all the need positions.

If they can get 2 or 3 more years of solid drafting they will be able to plug any ol' quarterback into the job. Then tell him to play conservative and not lose the game. Kinda like Trent Dilfer.
Or maybe sometime in the next couple years maybe the best player available in the first round will be a QB.

 

[pete]

Gambodoro earlier in his program today stated that the next two yrs. the Cards just want to see improvement.

They're really setting there sights for the 2006 season when they move into the new stadium to really make their push.

If that's the case, why pass on Big Ben who would've been in his 3rd yr. then?
A crucial mistake in the gameplan?

Two years my ass. With more consistency on offense and special teams, this team could be in the playoff hunt and leading the NFC Worst right now. The Cards were a lot closer than most gave them credit for. Green was right!

So what, now we are supposed to accept another losing season in 2006? I'm glad Green doesn't think that way.

 

[Toro]

All this talk about Big Ben is funny to me. Is he playing good? He is playing good but not great. He has a great OL and two above average running backs.

Give him 2 seconds to throw the ball as the Cards OL did in Buffalo and I guarantee he would have failed as well.

Ben is by no measn "tearing up" the league. The media is blowing it up.

 

[Pariah]

All this talk about Big Ben is funny to me. Is he playing good? He is playing good but not great.

Agreed. But, that in and of itself is unusual. Rookie QBs don't normally play good. And, when they do, they are up and down. Ben isn't--the guy has a presence on the field that many vets lack.

 

[WildBB]

If your always looking backward, you will never go forward.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Ben nor Leftwich for that matter are on this team. Talking about how we should or could have drafted these guys is pointless. They aren't here. Move on.

THIS TEAM HAS CONSISTENTLY MOVED ON TO NOWHERE.

That was the question if they (management) are shooting for 2006 despite what Green says - per Gambodoro - why'd they let him call the shots RIGHT AWAY - he's got a big enough head.

Now they need to address the situation in the off season - most probobly - and are now even reluctant to resign THE QUAN.

How are we MOVING ON!

 

[WildBB]

Two years my ass. With more consistency on offense and special teams, this team could be in the playoff hunt and leading the NFC Worst right now. The Cards were a lot closer than most gave them credit for. Green was right!

So what, now we are supposed to accept another losing season in 2006? I'm glad Green doesn't think that way.

I'm telling you on Gambo's talk show , he brought up that Cards Management - despite what Green is saying ( even though it's realistic in the NFC Worst - according with you) that they are pulling for CONTINUED SUCCESS starting with the 2006 season!

That calls for a sustained game plan - DID THEY MESS UP ALREADY!

IS GOING AFTER A QB THIS OFFSEASON (Most PROBABLE) NOW MAKING THEM RELUCTANT TO ACCOMPLISH OTHER THINGS THEY NEED TO.

IE -= RESIGNING THE QUAN FOR STARTERS.

 

[ajcardfan]

IE -= RESIGNING THE QUAN FOR STARTERS.

This is getting irritating. They cannot "resign" Boldin. He's not a free agent. They could extend him. He has TWO full seasons left after this one. I don't care if they extend him this season, next year, or two years from now. Anyone of those three options are fine IMO.

 

[WildBB]

Green has been clear about at least one thing. He does not draft based on need. He drafts best player available.
Which is good because the team had so many needs going into last years draft they would have needed about 20 rounds to fill all the need positions.

If they can get 2 or 3 more years of solid drafting they will be able to plug any ol' quarterback into the job. Then tell him to play conservative and not lose the game. Kinda like Trent Dilfer.
Or maybe sometime in the next couple years maybe the best player available in the first round will be a QB.

So do you stick with McCown next year - hoping to draft one sometime in the draft in 05, or sign a FA?

Who are the QB FA's next season?

 

[WildBB]

This is getting irritating. They cannot "resign" Boldin. He's not a free agent. They could extend him. He has TWO full seasons left after this one. I don't care if they extend him this season, next year, or two years from now. Anyone of those three options are fine IMO.

AW Right that was the wrong terminology. But IF they don't RENEGOTIATE The QUANS deal by Monday it doesn't count ANY towards the cap this season. VERY IMPORTANT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FITZ KIND OF MONEY HE'S SEEKING.

Are they blowing this thing NOW?!

What makes you think they'll want to take an even bigger hit next yr?!

I believe they don't get it done Right Now - he'll be heading towards FA.

 

[Skkorpion]

Two years my ass. With more consistency on offense and special teams, this team could be in the playoff hunt and leading the NFC Worst right now. The Cards were a lot closer than most gave them credit for. Green was right!

So what, now we are supposed to accept another losing season in 2006? I'm glad Green doesn't think that way.

I agree. Gambadoro is an ass. Almost everything he says about the Cards is wrong.