Lon Babby 2-18-2012

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The Suns had a mid-season event today for season ticket holders & Lon Babby had an hour long open forum with the fans. He was extremely honest about the state of the Suns. He talked about:

1) How they're trying to get better... not just as a team, but also as an organization.

2) How they're trying to change the perception of the organization to make this a premier free agent destination again.

3) A renewed importance on the draft & also on scouting in every level of the game. A new scouting system is in place rating players on ability level ( scrub, role player, rising star, star, all-star, MVP level), how they fit into the Suns scheme, & then finally on their character level.

4) He talked about poor business decisions the team has made before he arrived (trading 9 draft picks & only having 4, bad contracts in Warrick, Childress, etc, bad trades). He stressed that this would end & that they will no longer overspend for players that they don't rate as high level players, but that obviously those past deals were made with the best intentions. He obviously asked that we only judge him on the Orlando deal & the Dragic deal (which he basically admitted was a bust with Brooks playing in China).

5) He said that Sarver has given them full control to make any deal they want & has given them full approval to spend as much money as they want. He also said that Sarver has never told him that he couldn't make a deal or trade for money reasons.

He was pretty clear that their not happy with the state of the team & some of the players on the team (no names mentioned). He flat out said that he has felt that there have been games where the players have given up & how unacceptable that was. They're looking for players that continue to compete even when the team is down big... he called them high fiber players & that they're looking to add these kinds of players to the team.

He's really high on Morris & of course Gortat, Nash & Hill.

He talked about how hard it is to be a team bad enough to get the top picks in the draft... or how hard it would be to make the team that bad. Then he went on to say that he doesn't want to rely on ping pong balls and "Hope" in order to make the Suns better. He wants the team to make smart business decisions in every aspect every single day... knowing that some of those decisions will be wrong, but ultimately hoping for many more right decisions than wrong ones.

He also talked about how they have the money for 2 max free agents this summer and they're going to do everything they can to get 2 max quality players in here. He said that obviously he can't guarantee they would be able to get them here, but that is the goal. They won't spend the money if they don't have the guys available that they want just to spend the money. They want to spend wisely, be fair to the players & to the organization.

Nash - He said that their trying to rebuild the Suns reputation with how it handles it players by taking care of Nash & Hill. To help make free agents see the Suns as a premium organization again.
 
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I appreciate the feedback.

It sounds like Lon Babby is saying trust me. Unfortunately a lot of damage has already been done. In my book, trust has to be earned. I'm waiting. The Dragic trade is still fresh in my mouth. There went another first round pick and a player apparently for nothing in return. I'd like to know who pulled the trigger on Price, Telfair and Brown. Also I did not see Dudley's name mentioned.
 

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Great, informative post. Babby seems to have a pretty clear vision of what he wants to create here.
 

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Great, informative post. Babby seems to have a pretty clear vision of what he wants to create here.

Yea, but the only problem is that ~100% of all GM's probably have a similar vision. It's not that easy to get that vision to be reality.
 

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Thanks for the information. I'm skeptical but hopeful. I don't have to believe my team is about to win it all each year but it is important to me to believe that they are moving in the right direction. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, we'll see how it goes.

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He also talked about how they have the money for 2 max free agents this summer and they're going to do everything they can to get 2 max quality players in here. He said that obviously he can't guarantee they would be able to get them here, but that is the goal.

they're idiots if they think this plan has ANY chance of working. I mean, there's only TWO guys even out there that SHOULD be MAX FA guys and neither of them are coming here.

They won't spend the money if they don't have the guys available that they want just to spend the money. They want to spend wisely, be fair to the players & to the organization.

Nash - He said that their trying to rebuild the Suns reputation with how it handles it players by taking care of Nash & Hill. To help make free agents see the Suns as a premium organization again.

Babby can eat a big fat dick for all I care.
 

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they're idiots if they think this plan has ANY chance of working. I mean, there's only TWO guys even out there that SHOULD be MAX FA guys and neither of them are coming here.

Exactly, this is a question where somebody needs to hold him to the fire and back up this ridiculous assertion. Anyone worth the max ain't coming here.
 

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Thanks for sharing this info, appreciate it.

2) How they're trying to change the perception of the organization to make this a premier free agent destination again.

Sell the team and clean out the front office?

3) A renewed importance on the draft & also on scouting in every level of the game. A new scouting system is in place rating players on ability level ( scrub, role player, rising star, star, all-star, MVP level), how they fit into the Suns scheme, & then finally on their character level.

Wait a minute...they haven't done this before?


4) He talked about poor business decisions the team has made before he arrived (trading 9 draft picks & only having 4, bad contracts in Warrick, Childress, etc, bad trades).


While also not acknowledging that this is the same ownership group that demanded trading these picks. Oh, and I'm sure it's pure coincidence that the Suns ended up with 2 ex Babby clients in Turk and Chilz, both who could charitably be called disasters.



Nash - He said that their trying to rebuild the Suns reputation with how it handles it players by taking care of Nash & Hill. To help make free agents see the Suns as a premium organization again.

Nice! Let players with no long term future with the team dictate decisions! Players and agents will be thrilled with that.

Even at our best in the Colangelo days, we weren't viewed as a premium organization/destination. Appeasing Grant and Steve, and letting the grandpas run the asylum sure as hell won't change that.
 

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Even at our best in the Colangelo days, we weren't viewed as a premium organization/destination. Appeasing Grant and Steve, and letting the grandpas run the asylum sure as hell won't change that.

I would disagree with this. We may not have been the number one destination but there weren't many that would have ranked above us from 94 through the end of Jerry's ownership. But, I agree with the grandpa comment.

Steve
 

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I would disagree with this. We may not have been the number one destination but there weren't many that would have ranked above us from 94 through the end of Jerry's ownership.

Steve

yeah... gotta agree with you AzSteven. With Jerry we WERE the number one destination in the league during the 88-98 period of time. Whenever we had salary cap room, we ALWAYS got the best FA in the game - whether that was Chambers, AC Green... or Danny Manning, who the was THE biggest FA still completely in his prime when he signed a 1 year, 1 million dollar wink wink deal.

now, we're a complete and utter joke.
 

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I've been saying all along that this angle of keeping dinosaurs like Nash and Hill on the roster is going to somehow imprint a positive impression on future FA is pure nonsense.

You've got to continue to work towards improving the team and the focus must be on franchise first. If you want to take care of your vets thats fine,but to continue to feature them as your core is foolish.

Nash being here and running the show for a bad team until he decides to call it quits at 40+ yrs old isn't sending the message that the Suns are a desired destination in the future.
 

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Babby just said pretty much what 80% of GMs would of said.

2 Max FAs??..

LOL, Love is not in the market anymore... Westbrook also..

The only ones available are Beasley, Gordon, Mayo, Howard, De.Williams, Batum, McGee etc.

Howard and De.Williams are almost certain TO NOT COME to Phoenix, I'll say 85% chance they wont.

It'll be a BIG SMH when the FO signs Gordon, Beasley to MAX money.... it'll push back the Suns to mediocrity further 5 years.


Only player I think they can risk near MAX money would be Brook Lopez.... maybe something like Marc Gasol money, 4 year 50-55 Million. I think he can play well as a PF next to Gortat, he has that Tim Duncanesque post moves.... might be worth the risk since when healthy he is a 20 points 8 rebound 2 block guy...
 

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so basically Babby said the same stuff he keeps repeating all over. It would be more interesting to here him respond to someone who can present an argument instead of having to listen to him feeding the fans the same ******** about the Suns research of rebuilding the team.
 

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I would disagree with this. We may not have been the number one destination but there weren't many that would have ranked above us from 94 through the end of Jerry's ownership. But, I agree with the grandpa comment.

Steve

You may be right, I was a little young then. In any event, the idea of the current FO/organization getting to that point is pie in the sky at best.
 

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Babby just said pretty much what 80% of GMs would of said.

2 Max FAs??..

LOL, Love is not in the market anymore... Westbrook also..

The only ones available are Beasley, Gordon, Mayo, Howard, De.Williams, Batum, McGee etc.

Howard and De.Williams are almost certain TO NOT COME to Phoenix, I'll say 85% chance they wont.

It'll be a BIG SMH when the FO signs Gordon, Beasley to MAX money.... it'll push back the Suns to mediocrity further 5 years.


Only player I think they can risk near MAX money would be Brook Lopez.... maybe something like Marc Gasol money, 4 year 50-55 Million. I think he can play well as a PF next to Gortat, he has that Tim Duncanesque post moves.... might be worth the risk since when healthy he is a 20 points 8 rebound 2 block guy...


Brook Lopez is the guy I'm thinking the Suns will go after to play alongside Gortat... I like Nicolas Batum, not sure he's worth max but if the Suns were to add Brook (20+ scorer), Batum could be our Marion-like complimentary player.
 

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You may be right, I was a little young then. In any event, the idea of the current FO/organization getting to that point is pie in the sky at best.

You can't criticize them for not being there, and then criticize them for trying to be there.

Here is the good news. Babby seems to understand where we are. He also is going to swing for the fences as far as free agents. Good. Maybe we won't get the top free agents. He has also committed not to overspend for marginal free agents.

I am sorry, but I am not with the rest of you. He said all the right things for me. If Sarver actually IS giving someone else free reign, then that might be the best we can hope for. He is NOT selling the team. Those of you who are wishing for that are worse than Babby thinking that Dwight Howard is coming here.

Its time to drop the sourpuss and look at this objectively. Does this mean we are saved? No. But it is better than it could be.
 

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You can't criticize them for not being there, and then criticize them for trying to be there.

Here is the good news. Babby seems to understand where we are. He also is going to swing for the fences as far as free agents. Good. Maybe we won't get the top free agents. He has also committed not to overspend for marginal free agents.

I am sorry, but I am not with the rest of you. He said all the right things for me. If Sarver actually IS giving someone else free reign, then that might be the best we can hope for. He is NOT selling the team. Those of you who are wishing for that are worse than Babby thinking that Dwight Howard is coming here.

Its time to drop the sourpuss and look at this objectively. Does this mean we are saved? No. But it is better than it could be.

I've listened to Lon Babby on the radio and he has said much of the same things. He seems like a very nice man and he says a lot of things that are admirable. However, I question whether he has the ability to outmaneuver other good GMs. This is the bottom line. If Lon Babby is relying on Lance Blanks, this worries me to no end.
 

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I've listened to Lon Babby on the radio and he has said much of the same things. He seems like a very nice man and he says a lot of things that are admirable. However, I question whether he has the ability to outmaneuver other good GMs. This is the bottom line. If Lon Babby is relying on Lance Blanks, this worries me to no end.

Babby has been dealing successfully with GM's for years as an agent. I have more confidence in Babby in this area than I did with Steve Kerr. Babby did well with the Gortat trade, not so much with Dragic. He hasn't gotten his clock cleaned yet.

IMO he is not nearly as likely to get ripped on a trade as Nash, but also not as likely to luck out on one either.

The Markieff Morris pick seems a typical Babby type move. Solid fundamentals, dependable type player that wont be a superstar but also won't be a bust.

Hopefully we can get something here in free agency. I hope Nash can be our ambassador for that. That would be some redeeming value in keeping Nash.
 

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You can't criticize them for not being there, and then criticize them for trying to be there.

Here is the good news. Babby seems to understand where we are. He also is going to swing for the fences as far as free agents. Good. Maybe we won't get the top free agents. He has also committed not to overspend for marginal free agents.

I am sorry, but I am not with the rest of you. He said all the right things for me. If Sarver actually IS giving someone else free reign, then that might be the best we can hope for. He is NOT selling the team. Those of you who are wishing for that are worse than Babby thinking that Dwight Howard is coming here.

Its time to drop the sourpuss and look at this objectively. Does this mean we are saved? No. But it is better than it could be.

I don't think you're alone here. As I've said, I'm skeptical but hopeful. I too like what he said. While I know he may have just been saying what he knows we want to hear, it sounded both reasoned and reasonable. I still think trading Nash is the best thing to do but I'm not convinced it's the only way. We'll see.

The biggest problem I see is that it's damned hard to turn a bad team into a good team, it takes a lot of luck. Given that we are starting from such a horrible position, I wonder how much time the fans and even Sarver will give him before pulling the plug on this plan.

Steve
 

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I don't think you're alone here. As I've said, I'm skeptical but hopeful. I too like what he said. While I know he may have just been saying what he knows we want to hear, it sounded both reasoned and reasonable. I still think trading Nash is the best thing to do but I'm not convinced it's the only way. We'll see.

The biggest problem I see is that it's damned hard to turn a bad team into a good team, it takes a lot of luck. Given that we are starting from such a horrible position, I wonder how much time the fans and even Sarver will give him before pulling the plug on this plan.

Steve

Nope, he is not alone.
 

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You can't criticize them for not being there, and then criticize them for trying to be there.

That's a ridiculous assertion. Like it or not, taking one of the most talented and successful franchises in the NBA, and making it one of the most hopeless is certainly worthy of criticism.

Further, I pat them on the head and tell them what a good job they're doing when they continue to try to sell a ridiculous pie in the sky plan to "reload"? Good intentions are admirable, but unfortunately you have 29 other teams out there that also want to win, and I think most teams have a far superior front office and plan.

This isn't an issue of whether their intentions are pure; it's a matter of competence.

Here is the good news. Babby seems to understand where we are. He also is going to swing for the fences as far as free agents. Good. Maybe we won't get the top free agents. He has also committed not to overspend for marginal free agents.

Great, he knows that we're an awful roster, and he's going to get the heisman from any top tier FA. Glad you're so comforted by the knowledge that we'll get rejected by any decent FA. I'm also thrilled they learned their lesson about overspending for marginal FA's, I guess Warrick/Chilz/Frye and Turk beat them over the head with it.

Once the only two max worthy FA's go somewhere else, we'll see if they keep that promise.

If Sarver actually IS giving someone else free reign, then that might be the best we can hope for.

Lon Babby? Really Lon Babby is the best we can hope for? Pretty sad state of affairs when he's your only hope.


Its time to drop the sourpuss and look at this objectively.

Objectivity? Like the ESPN article that recently has us as the 2nd most hopeless franchise with the worst FO IN ALL OF BASKETBALL? This ain't a disgruntled fan base, it's reality.


But it is better than it could be.

I'm glad people like you are satisfied that we're at least better than the Bobcats!
 

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Brook Lopez is the guy I'm thinking the Suns will go after to play alongside Gortat

Wouldn't that be exciting!?! A guy that plays the same position as Gortat, and doesn't rebound/defend a lick! Sounds like a max guy I'd build around.

I like Nicolas Batum, not sure he's worth max .

Let me assure you, he's not worth anything near the max.
 

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Wouldn't that be exciting!?! A guy that plays the same position as Gortat, and doesn't rebound/defend a lick! Sounds like a max guy I'd build around.



Let me assure you, he's not worth anything near the max.

Thought the same thing. Really like Markieff and think he complements Gortat well enough to make PF not as much of a priority. What I'd like to do is clear out this logjam of mediocrity at our SG/SF positions, sign Batum and draft BPA.
 

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You can't criticize them for not being there, and then criticize them for trying to be there.

Here is the good news. Babby seems to understand where we are. He also is going to swing for the fences as far as free agents. Good. Maybe we won't get the top free agents. He has also committed not to overspend for marginal free agents.

I am sorry, but I am not with the rest of you. He said all the right things for me. If Sarver actually IS giving someone else free reign, then that might be the best we can hope for. He is NOT selling the team. Those of you who are wishing for that are worse than Babby thinking that Dwight Howard is coming here.

Its time to drop the sourpuss and look at this objectively. Does this mean we are saved? No. But it is better than it could be.

I am with you as well. I am giving Babby the benefit of the doubt until he gives me a reason to doubt him. So far, he made one great trade and one bad trade, and drafted a good player.
 

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Here's one thing I can say, if Babby really is trying to get better faster then why the hell is Sebastian Telfair still in a Suns uniform?
 
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