It's one thing to "give" them rings as gifts. These weren't gifts. They were earned. Winning the conference. Getting the sportsmanship award (ironic). If the NCAA Championship ring is worth 100K and the players sell them I have no problem whatsoever with it. Those guys earned those rings. This is America where people own their own property to do with as they please.
Looks like Terrelle Pryor will be available for the draft
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It's one thing to "give" them rings as gifts. These weren't gifts. They were earned. Winning the conference. Getting the sportsmanship award (ironic). If the NCAA Championship ring is worth 100K and the players sell them I have no problem whatsoever with it. Those guys earned those rings. This is America where people own their own property to do with as they please.
OK - so another out - if it was legal to sell while still in college, what would the "mark-up" allowed be?
If a star athlete was thinking about going pro, but just happened to put some stuff up on eBay, what would stop boosters from bidding astromnomical amounts in an effort to funnel money to athletes?
A player does not have a "right" to play in college. He can play, but he must abide by the rules set forth.
No one is stopping Pryor from leaving college, and selling anything he wants.
But to stay eligible, he has to abide by the rules set forth. Nothing un-American about that.
I agree. He should abide by the rules or get punished. BUT like I said, I disagree with the very principle of the rule. I never said it didn't deserve to be punished. Rules are rules. Not only do I think he should be suspended for violating the rule, I think he should miss the bowl game as I said in my second point. But I still think the rule is wrong.
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The rule is in place to keep people who support the program to keep from saying "I'll give you $20,000 for that ring". wink wink
The rules serves it's purpose & for the the coach & the AD to say they didn't inform the players that they couldn't sell them is complete BS!!! OSU should man up as a University & suspend the guys ASAP. Bama & Georgia did earlier in the season.
Yup.
Although that may not be the worst thing ever.
As a first rounder? Pass.
As a WR-project in the 2nd-5th round?
I wouldn't cry too hard.
It's not a "need" but you can't be too focused on that sorta thing.
But before I get too ahead of myself I shouldn't forget the saga of Matt Jones and not all lose my mind when Prior's combine numbers get all sexy.
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Exactly. I don't know why this doesn't seem to cross most people's minds.
For the record, personally, i'd allow the choice of "professional athlete" as a major to get rid of academic dishonesty and allow them to enter into contracts with agents if they so choose to get rid of this "we don't pay our athletes" farce. The quaint notion of a "student athlete" is a joke, and everyone knows it. The kids that really want to better themselves with a degree still can and the reggie bushes of the world can do what they are there to do.
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College athletics are a JOKE.
Billion dollar slave business IMO.
They are not amatures, they're making people a fortune in money, they need to be paid but that would blow the entire sham sky high, so people will let this go on and be shocked it turns into a corrupted mess.
This kind of slime works it's way into EVERYTHING, the next thing is fixing games, and don't tell me it won't happen, that's crap.
Need a can of worms icon, it'll only get worse, iceberg theory, everyone's IMO dirty.
Billion dollar slave business IMO.
They are not amatures, they're making people a fortune in money, they need to be paid but that would blow the entire sham sky high, so people will let this go on and be shocked it turns into a corrupted mess.
This kind of slime works it's way into EVERYTHING, the next thing is fixing games, and don't tell me it won't happen, that's crap.
Need a can of worms icon, it'll only get worse, iceberg theory, everyone's IMO dirty.
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100 % disagree. Nothing slave like about it. The NFL does not have a minor league system. Neither does the NBA. This is a potential learning ground and training system for potential job candidates, just as the university system is for the rest of the student population. Very few programs run a profit. The system makes heroes out of players and pads their resumes for a future in professional athletics. If that athlete is inclined to actually get an education along the way, it is readily available. Seems the only faction that ******* is the ones who couldn't care less about the education package. The very same ones who seem to harbor a desire to get paid any way possible along the way. It never seems to be enough. It comes off as greed. As a fan do you really want to watch a handful of teams, who are magnets for the best players if they can pay them most? The so called silly and unfair rules and reg's are in place because of the human greed factor. The built in chance for abuse is overwhelming. Players bitching about how unfair the system is comes off as their excuse for operating outside the rules. What seems to be unfair is the power or certain institutions to get the "free pass". Check out the alumnus roster of Ohio State University. Filled with CEOs , politicians, lawyers, captains of industry etc. These are the guys who can lean on the NCAA.
My guess is that OSU was given a choice of sanction and the Sugar Bowl was a bargaining chip. Now or later. BTW, isn't the Sugar Bowl played in New Orleans? Don't want to stifle the economic stimulus of that already decimated local economy.
by delivering a diluted product.
Sweater vest Tressel now has the chance to replan next years roster without Pryor and "Boom" Herron and not have to revamp a Sugar Bowl roster. Isn't that special. I am convinced the BCS committee had input on this one. Now I am even more hopeful Arkansas kicks the living crap out of Ohio State. Imagine the extra in game, pre game commentary for this one.
My guess is that OSU was given a choice of sanction and the Sugar Bowl was a bargaining chip. Now or later. BTW, isn't the Sugar Bowl played in New Orleans? Don't want to stifle the economic stimulus of that already decimated local economy.
by delivering a diluted product. Sweater vest Tressel now has the chance to replan next years roster without Pryor and "Boom" Herron and not have to revamp a Sugar Bowl roster. Isn't that special. I am convinced the BCS committee had input on this one. Now I am even more hopeful Arkansas kicks the living crap out of Ohio State. Imagine the extra in game, pre game commentary for this one.
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There has already been cases of fixing games.The NCAA definitely plays favorites but they kind of have to. The big schools, like OSU, USC, Bama, and others could all just render the NCAA useless and abandon them as their governing body and go out on their own. I know there was talk of that a few years back. I doubt that happnes becuase everyone is amking too much money but it could.
I agree with you the players should get something but that's not going to stop the cheating. In fact, it would probably escalate it. If you think about it the NCAA has an impossible job. How are they supposed to monitor every kid at every school. The schools should be held more accountable. The NCAA just tries to create a level playing filed but the schools/ players keep skirting around it. Of course the NCAA has to play favorites to a point because in the end it comes down to money. The NFL does the same thing. Why hasn't there been a ruling on Favre/Sterger? Goodell is always quick in any other judgements. You think they're going to suspend Favre for his last NFL game?
The NCAA is kind of like the PGA. They make and enforce the rules, but they also have to realize there's nothing stopping Tiger Woods, and other players, from branching out and creating their own tour. Norman threatened it in his heyday.
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As for the NFL prospect of these guy:
Pryor: He thinks he's an elite QB. He's not. The only thing he has going for him is Vince Young has had some success. Neither can throw the ball. People talk about making him a WR like that's some easy transaction. You have seasoned college WR's, David Terrell comes to mind, that have been playing the position their whole life that can't transistion the NFL. Pryor won't be any kind of WR. Some team will take a chance on him athletically,probably in round 3. If he was smart he'd go back to OSU, redhsirt a year, and come out the following year. Chances of that happening are about 0%.
Posey: he was coming out anyway. He'll probably go in round 2 and is a very good prospect.
Herron: he'll probably now come out. I don't think he's all that good but he always seems to put up numbers. At best,he may be a Willie Parker, Brian Westbrook type of back, which is pretty good. Whoever described him a 3 yards cloud of dust guy was mistaken. Herron may be one of the fastest guys on the team. OSU won't miss him.They're loaded at RB.
Adams: he has all the tools but not the attitude. He's a pretty laid back guy and would just as soon sit in his room smoking weed as he would be out on the playing field. I think it's 50/50 whether he declares. I hear the marijuana crops were pretty goood this year.He may want to stick around another year.
Thomas: TBD
Pryor: He thinks he's an elite QB. He's not. The only thing he has going for him is Vince Young has had some success. Neither can throw the ball. People talk about making him a WR like that's some easy transaction. You have seasoned college WR's, David Terrell comes to mind, that have been playing the position their whole life that can't transistion the NFL. Pryor won't be any kind of WR. Some team will take a chance on him athletically,probably in round 3. If he was smart he'd go back to OSU, redhsirt a year, and come out the following year. Chances of that happening are about 0%.
Posey: he was coming out anyway. He'll probably go in round 2 and is a very good prospect.
Herron: he'll probably now come out. I don't think he's all that good but he always seems to put up numbers. At best,he may be a Willie Parker, Brian Westbrook type of back, which is pretty good. Whoever described him a 3 yards cloud of dust guy was mistaken. Herron may be one of the fastest guys on the team. OSU won't miss him.They're loaded at RB.
Adams: he has all the tools but not the attitude. He's a pretty laid back guy and would just as soon sit in his room smoking weed as he would be out on the playing field. I think it's 50/50 whether he declares. I hear the marijuana crops were pretty goood this year.He may want to stick around another year.
Thomas: TBD
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Appreciate the insight.
On Pryor. I suspect that even if he redshirted , his personal 5 game suspension would carry over to his final year.
Can you compare Herron's potential production to Chris Wells?
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You're probably right about the suspension. I didn't think about it that way. As for comparing Herron to Wells. I don't think Herron compares at all. But I also think Wells is the best RB I have seen play at OSU, yes even better than Clarett
, so I may be biased a bit. The RB from OSU I'd compare Herron to is Michael Wiley, if you happen to remember him. I know he played for Dallas a couple years. Wells is becoming one of the most frustrating things for me. The guy is ultra-talented but for some reason hasn't put it together and I can't put my finger on it. He runs and plays hard, he's got the size,speed, and vision but 
. My 2 favorite RB's coming out the college the last 10 years have been Ricky Williams and Wells. Maybe I should re-think my choices because they may end up being two of the most frustrating RB's,career-wise, in my mind. At least it's still early for Wells and Williams did have a couple nice years but I think these two should be/have been dominating forces at RB.
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It's bothersome that he equates it to a witchhunt because of his looks (tats)?
Way to take responsability. This guy has a lot of maturing to do.
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You're probably right about the suspension. I didn't think about it that way. As for comparing Herron to Wells. I don't think Herron compares at all. But I also think Wells is the best RB I have seen play at OSU, yes even better than Clarett
My 2 favorite RB's coming out the college the last 10 years have been Ricky Williams and Wells. Maybe I should re-think my choices because they may end up being two of the most frustrating RB's,career-wise, in my mind. At least it's still early for Wells and Williams did have a couple nice years but I think these two should be/have been dominating forces at RB.
Wells needs some better holes up the middle. Hightower gets some long ones because he's better at bouncing outside. Wells needs the production up the middle and off tackle. He's also not getting IT.
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When I see Terrelle Pryor, the only person I can think of is Matt Jones.
He was the athletic SEC QB that didn't quite cut it at that position, but was exploding with measurables. He went into the combine at 6'6", weighing 237 lbs, ran a 4.37, and notched a shade under 40" on the vert. I expect Terrelle Pryor to at least match those numbers. He'll be overdrafted and wind up doing not a damn thing in the NFL.
Former QBs like Brad Smith and Joshua Cribbs are successful slashers because they are unselfish players that love the game. How telling is it that a player would sell his rings and awards for what amounts to chump change compared to an NFL contract?
I'm glad that he'll be overlooked with our first round pick and probably gone by our second.
He was the athletic SEC QB that didn't quite cut it at that position, but was exploding with measurables. He went into the combine at 6'6", weighing 237 lbs, ran a 4.37, and notched a shade under 40" on the vert. I expect Terrelle Pryor to at least match those numbers. He'll be overdrafted and wind up doing not a damn thing in the NFL.
Former QBs like Brad Smith and Joshua Cribbs are successful slashers because they are unselfish players that love the game. How telling is it that a player would sell his rings and awards for what amounts to chump change compared to an NFL contract?
I'm glad that he'll be overlooked with our first round pick and probably gone by our second.
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I think the best point made on this thread is that TOSU can still, and probably should, suspend all these guys for the bowl game. It happens every year, some kid screws up before a bowl game and gets suspended, curfew violations, academics etc. Just because the NCAA took the easy way out and did the suspensions next year assuming some of the guys will turn pro anyways doesn't mean TOSU can't sack up and suspend them for the bowl game.
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Bobby Bowden would have taken care of it in a meaningful manner. He'd have them boys running stadium steps.
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I'll be surprised if Pryor runs that fast but you never know with all the ground covered by those long strides.It seems that the college QB's that have transitioned well to WR/slash positions are the smaller, quicker guys like Randle-el, Hines Ward, Smith, and Cribbs. The biggest guy that comes to my mind is Michael Robinson for SF and he hasn't done a whole lot and in still alot smaller than Pryor.
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Pryor = Wildcat QB?
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He was running faster before the season started, but then again it was OSU times so you never know.
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Virginia Tech players run 3.9s quite often (on campus field). Must be something in the Blacksburg air or water.
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