Los Angeles Times totally trashes Tim Thomas...

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For those of you who wished the Suns had signed Tim Thomas, can we once and for all be thankful it didn't happen. Read this story to see why the Suns made the right decision and the Clippers are once again losing idiots.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-simers21feb21,1,2001820,full.column?coll=la-utilities-sports

T.J. Simers:
No doubting Thomas will fill a void
February 21 2007

I remember the good old Page 2 days when you could go into almost any locker room here and run into a puffed-up dunderhead spouting nonsense. I envy those guys who got to talk to Barry Bonds on Tuesday.

Looking back, those were the days, all right, with Kevin Brown and Jose Guillen, and most recently there was Kenny Lofton, but as the years have gone by and the local public relations directors have made a point of preparing their players for Page 2, it's become hugs all around.

I get the feeling Jeff Kent is waiting now for a Thanksgiving invite, like we've got room for Garret Anderson's family and Kent's brood at our table. Kent wanted me to go riding with him last summer, and Brad Penny wanted me to join him on his farm. Kevin Malone invited me to go golfing, and the last time I was with Frank's Old Lady, she wouldn't stop touching my arm.

I would imagine Phil and Jeanie will want me at the wedding.

It's getting harder and harder, though, to identify the pros who take themselves so seriously. I've actually had to stage Page 2 sneak attacks on out-of-towners such as Frank Robinson, the Watch Girl, Brad Faxon and Tony Stewart, who never got an advanced Page 2 warning — just so I could get by.

So you can imagine my delight when I learned the Clippers still have an honest-to-goodness, old-fashioned puffed-up dunderhead spouting nonsense in their locker room. A dinosaur, if you will, but so taken with himself that he ignored the team's public relations briefing on how to deal with Page 2.

A few weeks ago I told Clippers' disappointment, Tim Thomas, that I was wrestling with the question: "Who has been a bigger bust this season — the Lakers' Vladimir Radmanovic or Thomas?"

Thomas guessed "Radmanovic," and I didn't disagree, but I wanted to know why Thomas was also so badly underachieving.

"I'm not," he said.

"The Clippers brought you in to be their long-ranger shooter, and you can't shoot straight." I didn't know it at the time, but that was a pretty clever comeback.

"I'm not a shooter," Thomas huffed. "I'm an all-around basketball player."

Then he walked away, while saying over his shoulder something about "negativity," and "I might as well be back in New York."

The way he's been playing, that's not a bad idea.

THE NEXT time we got together, I said, "Hi," and it was too much for Thomas. He hustled out of the locker room, an indication he really is capable of hustling.

Thomas came to the Clippers with the reputation he's a dog at times — failing to play all out. I even heard his nickname is "Dog," which seemed to be hitting a little close to him, so I asked him about it.

He said it was a nickname in high school, leaving open the possibility that he was dog going all the way back to his days as a pup.

I asked him if it's true — that sometimes he doesn't go all out.

"Disagree," he said. "That's everybody's opinion, but people have their own opinions in this world and I can't sit here and debate it with everybody."

I know this, he wouldn't go all out to debate it with me.

I asked Coach Mike Dunleavy about Thomas' reputation for "dogging it," and he said, "People always say he plays good in the playoffs and big games and at times you're not sure what you get after that."

Yes, that's what they say, all right.

Take away two benchwarmers who hardly play, and Thomas is the worst shooter on a team that can't shoot very well. He's made 40.1% from the field and 68.6% from the free-throw line, which might indicate a lack of concentration, considering he is 76.3% from the line in his 10-year career.

This is the same guy who gunned down the Lakers and the Clippers in the playoffs. But that's also his rep — playing all out at the two points in his career when he was about to get a new contract. He signed a four-year, $24-million deal with the Clippers, which means he'll probably give it his all toward the end of the 2010 season.

The Clippers, though, need everyone on board to make a playoff run right now. That's right now, but then Thomas was five for 16 on Tuesday night through three quarters of play against the Phoenix Suns, a team that doesn't play defense.

This from a guy that had Ray Allen saying in 2001, "Tim Thomas could be the best player in the league."

Thomas is playing for his seventh team, a guy with such a bad attitude Chicago was willing to pay him $14 million to stay home from last November to March to keep him from contaminating the other players. Then, the Bulls cut him.

"I think my career is fine," Thomas said. "I have a lot of basketball left in me."

That's what you'd expect from someone who has been saving himself, but I was wondering why he elected to run from Page 2 — if he felt so good about his game.

"You make your living off stuff people want to believe, whether it's true or not," Thomas said. "I make my living winning basketball games."

I pointed out he's lost more games than he's won while playing for the Clippers, and I was standing in front of him to let him set the record straight.

"I don't want to deal with negativity," he said, and I suggested then he might want to put the basketball in the hoop more often. I'm just helpful like that.

I got chills. It was like the old days with Jason Phillips — remember, that knucklehead who was struggling to make it on nearly $400,000?

"This is going to be the start of a wonderful relationship," I told Thomas.

"I'm married," Thomas said.

"Then we can double date," I suggested.

"No way," he said, and I'm happy to report there wasn't even a hint of humor in his response — promising even more fun ahead.


T.J. Simers can be reached at [email protected]. To read previous columns by Simers, go to latimes.com/simers.
 

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A lot of people were upset when the Suns "low balled" TT. Turns out the Suns were brilliant.
 

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He's hitting 36% of his threes -- on a team with almost no offensive flow -- and setting a career high in rebounds at 5 per game. What you see is what you get with Thomas. The reason he keeps disappointing people is because they expect him to play like an All-Star. He just isn't one.

He would have stayed with the Suns for 2/3 the money he's making for the Clippers. It was still a mistake to let him go.
 

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I would still want him on the Suns. I think the Clippers overpaid though.

TT isn't a leader, he is a role player. He is fine if the team is good and otherwise successful. If you are looking for him to help carry a team for a season and you will probably be disappointed.
 

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Thomas has the opportunity to turn some heads and get good, meaningful minutes on the Clippers. What has he done with that opportunity? Laid an egg. He wouldn't approach his current numbers if he was on the Suns because frankly, he would NEVER get the kind of minutes he got last season with us.

Tim Thomas has proven that the lazy moniker isn't just a label, it's fact.
 

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The Clippers, though, need everyone on board to make a playoff run right now. That's right now, but then Thomas was five for 16 on Tuesday night through three quarters of play against the Phoenix Suns, a team that doesn't play defense.

:rolleyes:

When will these fools learn that we're a decent defensive team? Sure, we aren't Houston or Chicago, but we aren't the Grizzlies or the Bucks either. According to Hollinger's team defensive efficiency rating, we're the 11th best defensive team in the league.
 

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TT will never have an opportunity like he had the last part of the season with the Suns last year. With both Amare and KT out, the team had absolutely zero ability in the post, thus the offense revolved around the shooters. Despite what he may think, Tim Thomas is not an all around player, he is just a shooter. That situation was perfect for him. He wasn't gonna get that scenario this year with the Suns and he doesn't have it with the Clips either. He's nothing more than a role player without a role to play.
 

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Arthur, that's like saying you'd rather eat a pile of feces than drink a cup of urine..

Both are crap. I'd rather have neither and save cap room.
 

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TT was good in the Suns system....I'd take him over Banks absolutely...for the right price.
 

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The guy who wrote the article....

TJ Simers, makes a point to write articles like that. That's his schtick. Whatever Thomas is doing in Clipperland, he would be playing great for us off the bench like he did most of last year - because he'd be playing with Nash and getting a lot of shots.

But he wanted too much money, so now he's got to deal with what came with the money he did get - namely, TJ Simers. Enjoy.
 

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Hopefully LAC gets tired of him and waive him just like Chicago so we can pick him up again for the playoff run. :p

I think TT on the floor with Nash,Amare and Marion for a few minutes a game would've been great.

Hes a great backup role player in this system.
 

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He's hitting 36% of his threes -- on a team with almost no offensive flow -- and setting a career high in rebounds at 5 per game. What you see is what you get with Thomas. The reason he keeps disappointing people is because they expect him to play like an All-Star. He just isn't one.

He would have stayed with the Suns for 2/3 the money he's making for the Clippers. It was still a mistake to let him go.

I would still want him on the Suns. I think the Clippers overpaid though.

TT isn't a leader, he is a role player. He is fine if the team is good and otherwise successful. If you are looking for him to help carry a team for a season and you will probably be disappointed.

Agree with all of these.

It's evidently clear if the Suns were trying their darndest to part ways with Banks and pickup a big like Gooden.

With Diaw (any truth to the disc in his back being worse than advertised?) hurt right now Tim Thomas would be getting some valuable minutes and his game would fit nicely with Amare and Marion. He wouldn't be asked to do too much and Banks would be elsewhere.



Id rather have tim thomas than marcus banks.
 

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Simers is a real piece of work, and he wrecks Kobe, Phil and the Lakers quite a bit but I love the way he writes. He's about the only thing interesting about the LA Times.

He and TT are going to go around and around.
 

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I'd still take Timmy back, he was a PERFECT fit for this team. Maybe he doesn't look like he's trying because basketball doesn't seem so fun now that he isn't running up and down gunning it. I hope the Alien retires this summer and we trade Banks/Pike for Timmy.
 

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Tim Thomas had some good games and then he had some games where he absolutely vanished. At least James Jones plays hard and does other things when his shot isn't dropping.
 

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Tim Thomas had some good games and then he had some games where he absolutely vanished. At least James Jones plays hard and does other things when his shot isn't dropping.

Sorry, but TT's contribution for the suns in a few months > JJ's entire stay
 

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Sorry, but TT's contribution for the suns in a few months > JJ's entire stay

More spectacular, perhaps, but not necessarily >. Kind of like a shooting star that warrants everyone's attention for a few seconds vs. a more consistent but unimpressive small star in a group. A year later, you remember the shooting star (no pun intended).
 

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Tim Thomas played great for the suns while he was here. I think they should have resigned him and believe that he would be playing better here than in Clipper land.
As someone mentioned, he is not an all-star, but plays well in the suns system and always plays well in big games.

There were a number of veteran point guards that were available to the suns that have signed one year veteran contracts with other teams, those players would have done okay for the suns.
 

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I'll be the first too eat my words, when I heard the Suns weren't going to resign him I thought the Suns were idiots (after he saved us against the Lakers) but man, that's the last time I'll question the Nash/D'antoni administration.
 

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Without Tim Thomas, the Suns wouldn't have made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs last year. He had some HUGE moments for us last postseason...so huge that I just can't find a way to hate on the guy. I wish him success with the Clips, but that doesn't look like it's going to happen.
 

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Without Tim Thomas, the Suns wouldn't have made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs last year. He had some HUGE moments for us last postseason...so huge that I just can't find a way to hate on the guy. I wish him success with the Clips, but that doesn't look like it's going to happen.

And likely not the WCF either. He manned up big time.
 

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