Loyalty. Let's talk about it.

[Skkorpion]

Normally, I'd skip this but I'll give it my usual explanation. Red Desert, we don't get to choose owners. When we do, I'll give the subject some attention.

May I suggest Charmin with Aloe Vera if the hemorrhoids are that bad?

 

[binkar]

Ask yourself, Cards fans, how loyal are you? I'm talking to those that attack Q, Warner, and so many other players that have brought you the very joy you have craved for years, if not decades.

Look in the mirror. How loyal are you?

Q wants a new contract and all of a sudden he's a bum?

Warner leads us to the Super Bowl, assumes he's dealing with honest, decent, folks, and admits he wants to come back thus putting himself in a position of weakness, and what does he get? A half hearted effort the FO to get him sighned. Instead he gets, "...in light of other priorities we made a fair offer" or some ******** like that.

Yet, he and q can just go suck eggs, right?

Defend the Bidwills who don't give a **** about any of you. Not even you Nidan. Believe me on that.

At least the players go out and put their freakin' heart, soul, and bodies on the line for you every weekend.

Bidwill just asks you taxpayers to build him a new stadium so that he make more cash.

How much joy has pale face Bidwill every given you?

How much joy has Q given you?
How much joy has Warner given you?

Wiz will be gone soon enough.

This whole thing is kinda silly. Don't get me wrong I see where you are coming from. But to think that anyone is in this just to bring ANY of us joy is pretty silly. It, just like anything else, is a business where money is the objective and the motivation.

Thats why I chose to not get pissed off at any of them. I understand completely where Warner, Q, Dockett, and all the other unhappy players are coming from. But to understand their side and not understand the argument for the FO seems borderline hypocritical.

But I agree with you in the sense that it's kinda ridiculous to crucify Warner or Q for their desires. I just disagree that the FO should be crucified for nearly the same desires.

But if I had to choose where to lay my loyalty it would go to the team. Players come and go but the organization never leaves (hopefully). That's not to say the organization can't be dead wrong at times.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Any thread that is started to begin a "Loyal-off"is a waste of a thread.

 

[Cody]

so if we don't think warner deserves 14-16 mil and we thinks hes being stingy we are not loyal?

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[az1965]

Let's be real... without Bidwills you don't have a team in Arizona that can have players like Warner, Fitz, and Q who put joy in your life...

 

[Assface]

If you want to talk about loyalty how about loyalty from Kurt for the Cardinals resurrecting his career and getting his name in HOF talks. After our playoff run is when people began talking about Kurt being a first ticket in to the hall. Let's keep in mind that the Cardinals are Warner's third team. He put up the big numbers this year because we have the league's best group of receivers. Fitz and Boldin were both Probowl receivers with guys like McCown, Blake and King throwing to them. If Kurt was in Minnesota this year, for example, he'd be handing off 30+ times again and throwing to Bernard Berrian for half of the yardage and TDs he threw this year. Instead of his big revival he'd be considered a caretaker QB finishing his career as a shell of his former self. What other team in the league would have had Kurt in the position he's in this year. You Cult Warner guys keep saying "where would the team have been this year without Kurt" but realistically where would Kurt have been this year without the Cardinals?

 

[Cody]

If you want to talk about loyalty how about loyalty from Kurt for the Cardinals resurrecting his career and getting his name in HOF talks. After our playoff run is when people began talking about Kurt being a first ticket in to the hall. Let's keep in mind that the Cardinals are Warner's third team. He put up the big numbers this year because we have the league's best group of receivers. Fitz and Boldin were both Probowl receivers with guys like McCown, Blake and King throwing to them. If Kurt was in Minnesota this year, for example, he'd be handing off 30+ times again and throwing to Bernard Berrian for half of the yardage and TDs he threw this year. Instead of his big revival he'd be considered a caretaker QB finishing his career as a shell of his former self. What other team in the league would have had Kurt in the position he's in this year. You Cult Warner guys keep saying "where would the team have been this year without Kurt" but realistically where would Kurt have been this year without the Cardinals?

this is exactly how i feel. yes kurt is a great qb, very accurate and smart. but would he have put up those amazing numbers without our dangerous recievers? most likely not. if he goes to san fran we will all see his is not nearly as good as he is with the trio he has to throw to here

 

[Stout]

Man, is this how I sounded all those years? No wonder people would point a cyber finger at me and mockingly type 'the sky is falling'!

 

[Syracusecards]

Ask yourself, Cards fans, how loyal are you? I'm talking to those that attack Q, Warner, and so many other players that have brought you the very joy you have craved for years, if not decades.

Look in the mirror. How loyal are you?

Q wants a new contract and all of a sudden he's a bum?

Warner leads us to the Super Bowl, assumes he's dealing with honest, decent, folks, and admits he wants to come back thus putting himself in a position of weakness, and what does he get? A half hearted effort the FO to get him sighned. Instead he gets, "...in light of other priorities we made a fair offer" or some ******** like that.

Yet, he and q can just go suck eggs, right?

Defend the Bidwills who don't give a **** about any of you. Not even you Nidan. Believe me on that.

At least the players go out and put their freakin' heart, soul, and bodies on the line for you every weekend.

Bidwill just asks you taxpayers to build him a new stadium so that he make more cash.

How much joy has pale face Bidwill every given you?

How much joy has Q given you?
How much joy has Warner given you?

Wiz will be gone soon enough.

I find it ironic that someone who constantly bashes the people that run the team is questioning the loyalty of anyone. Loyalty means that you have blind faith in the team and the direction they're going. If anyone is not loyal, it's you. I'm not a Graves/Bidwill apologist by any means, but your statements are ridiculous.

If you work at a job and you get an offer elsewhere and decide to take it, it doesn't mean you're not loyal to your former co-workers, it means you weren't loyal to the owners of the company that hired you in the first place.

 

[Gee!]

This thread made my head hurt.. I gotta think red desert was PWI'ing it tonite.. If he wasnt, then..

 

[Ryanwb]

There is no loyalty in business, unless you don't want to be in business very long

 

[PJ1]

There is no loyalty in business, unless you don't want to be in business very long

Exactly.

 

[Feeble Mcjackson]

I was an Arizona Cardinal fan before Q was here.
I was an Arizona Cardinal before Warner was here.
I will be an Arizona Cardinal fan long after they are gone.

I root for a team not individuals.

I root for the Arizona Cardinals and that is loyality!

exactly!!!!

 

[Arizona's Finest]

A little overdramatic are we?

Wisenhunt and Haley made Warner relevant again. Not the other way around.

 

[Duckjake]

No 38 year old qb has ever led one of the worst franchises in all of sports for the past 50 years to the pinnacle of its sport.

Still hasn't happened.

Warner won't be 38 until June.

 

[Duckjake]

There is no loyalty in business, unless you don't want to be in business very long

Totally disagree.

My customers are extremely loyal to my company. Many are 20+ year clients.

We've been in business 82 years.

There's little loyalty in pro sports though.