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2008 is the year of Russ Pennell, a former assistant under Rob Evans. Great hire for the interim coach.
Elite means best of the best, and best of the best for decades, not through one coach. You think U of A is elite because you went to U of A and want to defend your school. That's fine and admirable, but doesn't make it true. Like I said, UCLA, Kentucky and UNC are on a different level with U of A. U of A bball is an excellent program, but just isn't elite. Get some perspective from someone like Mr. Boldin who is at least realistic about the college basketball pecking order, maybe you'll listen to him because he is a U of A fan?
i understand you're an asu homer, but c'mon man . . . you keep making this argument over and over again and it just makes you look silly. you say "best of the best for decades" . . . uh . . . lute was there for decades. when you have a streak of 23 years of making the tourney, that's decades. doesn't matter if it's one coach, two, or eight. that's decades. people know the name of Arizona in hoops. that's (unfortunately) more than you can say for arizona state in either football or hoops where they are routinely referred to as "arizona" by admittedly ignorant writiers and sportscasters.
uofa is def in the upper heirarchy of hoops. i'm a gtown alum and i consider them to be in our class, and i def consider us to be part of the crown jewels.
recognize your homerism for what it is.
btw, i didn't attend either institution and have no bias.
i understand you're an asu homer, but c'mon man . . . you keep making this argument over and over again and it just makes you look silly. you say "best of the best for decades" . . . uh . . . lute was there for decades. when you have a streak of 23 years of making the tourney, that's decades. doesn't matter if it's one coach, two, or eight. that's decades. people know the name of Arizona in hoops. that's (unfortunately) more than you can say for arizona state in either football or hoops where they are routinely referred to as "arizona" by admittedly ignorant writiers and sportscasters.
uofa is def in the upper heirarchy of hoops. i'm a gtown alum and i consider them to be in our class, and i def consider us to be part of the crown jewels.
recognize your homerism for what it is.
btw, i didn't attend either institution and have no bias.
i understand you're an asu homer, but c'mon man . . . you keep making this argument over and over again and it just makes you look silly. you say "best of the best for decades" . . . uh . . . lute was there for decades. when you have a streak of 23 years of making the tourney, that's decades. doesn't matter if it's one coach, two, or eight. that's decades. people know the name of Arizona in hoops. that's (unfortunately) more than you can say for arizona state in either football or hoops where they are routinely referred to as "arizona" by admittedly ignorant writiers and sportscasters.
uofa is def in the upper heirarchy of hoops. i'm a gtown alum and i consider them to be in our class, and i def consider us to be part of the crown jewels.
recognize your homerism for what it is.
btw, i didn't attend either institution and have no bias.
Wow. I don't consider Georgetown one of the crown jewels and my dad, one brother and one sister graduated from there. Gtown is exactly like UA, though, in they are a one coach pony with upside.
John Thompson = Lute Olson. The younger John Thompson may be resurrecting and saving the directionless program. Can UA do the same, without an interim period of mediocrity? We'll see.
Immediately following a legend is always tough. Successfully replacing a legend at a one coach school is nothing short of miraculous.
Wow. I don't consider Georgetown one of the crown jewels and my dad, one brother and one sister graduated from there. Gtown is exactly like UA, though, in they are a one coach pony with upside.
John Thompson = Lute Olson. The younger John Thompson may be resurrecting and saving the directionless program. Can UA do the same, without an interim period of mediocrity? We'll see.
Immediately following a legend is always tough. Successfully replacing a legend at a one coach school is nothing short of miraculous.
I just really don't get this whole one coach thing. If a coach has been there for TWO FREAKING DECADES then yes - it can single handedly define a program. UCLA had John Wooden and, then other then one year where Harrick cheated his way to an NC had nothing else, until Howland came in.
Would you have dared to say UNC isn't part of the upper tier programs right after Dean Smith retired? Would you say that Penn State, Nebraska, and FSU aren't crown jewels of college football because they have had one coach with sustained success?
I get that if you don't make the appropriate hire after one of these legends your program can fall into irrelevance. And that is something that has happened to USC, Oklahoma, Nebraska in College Football and Indiana, and to a lesser degree Arkansas and Oklahoma State in College Basketball.
Everyone gets that and we think the next hire at UA is paramount or we could easily slink back into irrelevance that we suffered fron in 1984.
But to say one coach doesn't make you a great program is ridiculous. Again - how many times have you had anyone cite the 1947 NFL Champion Arizone Cardinals? While history is important IMO it is only relevant to the absolute tippy top of the upper crust like Kentucky and Kansas who have been powers since James Naismith put up the peach basket and have had good coaches/players ever since.
Otherwise should I think that Oregon is a better college basketball program then the University of Texas because they have a NC in 1939 and UT has none?
Just doesn't make any sense.
Wow. I don't consider Georgetown one of the crown jewels and my dad, one brother and one sister graduated from there. Gtown is exactly like UA, though, in they are a one coach pony with upside.
John Thompson = Lute Olson. The younger John Thompson may be resurrecting and saving the directionless program. Can UA do the same, without an interim period of mediocrity? We'll see.
Immediately following a legend is always tough. Successfully replacing a legend at a one coach school is nothing short of miraculous.
i understand you're an asu homer, but c'mon man . . . you keep making this argument over and over again and it just makes you look silly. you say "best of the best for decades" . . . uh . . . lute was there for decades. when you have a streak of 23 years of making the tourney, that's decades. doesn't matter if it's one coach, two, or eight. that's decades. people know the name of Arizona in hoops. that's (unfortunately) more than you can say for arizona state in either football or hoops where they are routinely referred to as "arizona" by admittedly ignorant writiers and sportscasters.
uofa is def in the upper heirarchy of hoops. i'm a gtown alum and i consider them to be in our class, and i def consider us to be part of the crown jewels.
recognize your homerism for what it is.
btw, i didn't attend either institution and have no bias.
Whoever is hired won't be replacing a legend, he'll be replacing Kevin O'Neill and Russ Pennell which aren't exactly big shoes to fill.Immediately following a legend is always tough. Successfully replacing a legend at a one coach school is nothing short of miraculous.
Whoever is hired won't be replacing a legend, he'll be replacing Kevin O'Neill and Russ Pennell which aren't exactly big shoes to fill.
And successful replacements of a legend happens all the time. Pitino after Crum and Izzo after Jud Heathcote are the two best examples. Hell, Trent Johnson replaced Monty at Stanford and was pretty successful if you want to go local.
On Arizona and Rumors
It’s only October, but silly season in college basketball coaching has already arrived. And for Memphis fans, the script is incredibly familiar. A high-profile job opens up. Immediately, John Calipari’s name is thrown into the mix because, well, his name is always thrown into the mix. Posters on Internet message boards who previously trashed Calipari will suddenly claim that he’s their program’s savior. A columnist in said college’s area will inevitably write the case against hiring Calipari - regardless of whether he’s really a candidate - drudging up Marcus Camby and the laundry list of the off-court problems he’s had at Memphis.
In the case of Arizona, which will be the big job open next April now that Lute Olson has announced his retirement this week, let me go ahead and save everybody the trouble.
Calipari isn’t going to Arizona.
Of course, some of this stuff has already started, though not by national writers who understand the dynamics of the situation. But Calipari’s name has been thrown out in Arizona newspapers, and apparently even a Phoenix radio host said that he’d heard Calipari would be willing to take a pay cut to go to Arizona (Whoever is spreading that rumor doesn’t know Calipari very well.) When I mentioned to Calipari that his name had popped up in the Tucson papers, he laughed, because it’s entirely predictable. But his response was clear and unequivocal. He’s not interested.
As someone who spends a lot of time around Calipari and the program, there are a couple things are worth keeping in mind when it comes to Calipari and any other job, especially this one.
1) With his newest contract, Calipari makes $3.35 million a year guaranteed. Let me repeat. Calipari makes $3.35 million per year guaranteed. And that doesn’t even include a dime from the new shoe contract Memphis is about to sign with Nike. Now, I can’t get anyone in the athletic department to go on the record right now about what the financial ramifications of this deal will be. But from what I’ve gathered, it will add another significant chunk of money to Calipari’s annual package. How significant? I’m not sure yet, but the total numbers could be Nick Saban-esque. Olson’s total package at Arizona, according to published reports, was somewhere between $1.3-1.5 million, which is pretty much in line with the pay scale in the Pac 10.
2) Calipari’s mindset, at this point, seems to be geared more toward riding out the momentum at Memphis rather than starting over somewhere else. That doesn’t mean he’s going to coach at Memphis forever, but if the Tigers get a couple of the recruits they’re after along with the players who are already in the fold for next year, Calipari sees them right back in the championship mix. Like Indiana, Arizona is probably a 4-year rebuilding job at minimum.
Bottom line, though, is that Memphis fans have no need to wring their hands over Internet speculation, mostly fueled by fans (and in some cases coaches) from teams that are recruiting against the Tigers. As many others have written on a national basis, fans of Gonzaga and Pitt should have much more reason to think about Arizona at this point than Memphis fans.
I agree with the blog to an extent, they are certainly right on with the finances and how that's going to be the most difficult speed bump in getting Cal. However, if Cal is ever going to make the jump to power conference basketball then Arizona would be the ideal choice. He'd get pretty much every kid on the West Coast who wanted to play up-tempo and besides Arizona is there any other jobs with such a high celing opening up any time soon? Looking at the traditional powers they've all pretty much got somebody locked in for at least the next several years. And despite what the writer insists Arizona has a significantly higher upside than Memphis.
And I wouldn't expect Calipari to tell a Memphis blogger that he has any interest in Arizona. For one it would kill his 2009 recruiting class if things fell apart with 'Zona later in the process and two he's not dumb enough to jeapordize his team with rumors hanging over their heads during the course of the season. This job search will end up like all of them seemingly do, rounds of denials about mutual interest until the chosen guy is on a plane en route to ink the deal.
Memphis blogger said:But Calipari’s name has been thrown out in Arizona newspapers, and apparently even a Phoenix radio host said that he’d heard Calipari would be willing to take a pay cut to go to Arizona (Whoever is spreading that rumor doesn’t know Calipari very well.)
I have read Calipari would take a pay cut to come to a place like Arizona.
I agree with the blog to an extent, they are certainly right on with the finances and how that's going to be the most difficult speed bump in getting Cal. However, if Cal is ever going to make the jump to power conference basketball then Arizona would be the ideal choice. He'd get pretty much every kid on the West Coast who wanted to play up-tempo and besides Arizona is there any other jobs with such a high celing opening up any time soon? Looking at the traditional powers they've all pretty much got somebody locked in for at least the next several years. And despite what the writer insists Arizona has a significantly higher upside than Memphis.
And I wouldn't expect Calipari to tell a Memphis blogger that he has any interest in Arizona. For one it would kill his 2009 recruiting class if things fell apart with 'Zona later in the process and two he's not dumb enough to jeapordize his team with rumors hanging over their heads during the course of the season. This job search will end up like all of them seemingly do, rounds of denials about mutual interest until the chosen guy is on a plane en route to ink the deal.
Who wrote that blog was that Dan Wolken?
I am fairly confident that with a pacakge from the UA athletic department of near $2 mil and additional funding from Nike, camps, appearances, we would be able to offer the money that is needed to pull Cal away from Memphis.
So you think he would take a $1.5 million pay cut for the priveledge of living in Tucson?
He wouldn't take that much of a paycut if Arizona were to hire him, we'd have to get around $2.5 at the very minimum for him to consider it and I think Arizona could get there. And let's also note that Memphis ain't exactly heaven on earth, Tucson might be a better fit for an East Coast city guy like Cal anyways instead of the backwards-ass South.
Right now Lute makes roughly $1.5 before bonuses, half of which comes from the AD while the other half comes from Nike, booster groups, etc. It has been known for quite sometime that Lute is taking a hometown paycut and has been rumored on the radio that Arizona can/will go to around $1.5 just in salary for this hire. So assuming Calipari gets the same $750k Lute does from those outside sources that gets UA up to $2.25 which puts them among the top 5 in the country yet probably still a little below what Calipari would take to jump ship.I agree that I would rather make $2.5 in Tucson than $3 in Memphis.
So you think he would take a $1.5 million pay cut for the priveledge of living in Tucson?