MadCards 2025 Offseason Plan post Super Bowl

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I would bet Sweat, possibly Milton too. Maybe a mid tier Guard. And most of their better FA's like Browning, Hernandez, White and the like. Of course I still wear Rose colored glasses....
 

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I would bet Sweat, possibly Milton too. Maybe a mid tier Guard. And most of their better FA's like Browning, Hernandez, White and the like. Of course I still wear Rose colored glasses....
Man, people are really going to be disappointed in how free agency plays out, methinks.
 

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The depths you always go to defend who is ever in the front office at the time is remarkable. I am always sitting in amazement.
Well, this, after all, is "supposed" to be an Arizona Sports (Cardinals?) Fans network. I actually enjoy reading people who try to actually show support for the local team.
 

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Well, this, after all, is "supposed" to be an Arizona Sports (Cardinals?) Fans network. I actually enjoy reading people who try to actually show support for the local team.
Big difference between support--which we all do, unless you're questioning fandoms?--and blind support.
 

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Here is the reasoning.

The OL needs major work, especially if Jonah is going to be out for multiple weeks of the season. The 3rd best OL player on the roster right now is Adams and he wasn't very good last year. The OL is very critical for this team. Can Monti find better players than Evan Brown, Will Hernandez and Jonah Williams?

DL needs a big time player to improve this mid level group. Adding more Justin Jones players isn't going to move the needle. Can Monti acquire 1 or 2 top DL guys.

EDGE has been a mess for two seasons and has zero answers on the roster. Can Monti add 2 (maybe 3) decent NFL EDGE players.

Overrated or not, Kyzir White was the 2nd best defensive player on the Cardinals last year (maybe 3rd if you count Garrett Williams). Can Monti find a new defensive captain who can call the defense, and play the snaps White was at the level White was?

2 OL starters
1 DL starter
2 EDGE starters
1 ILB starter

No small feats here.
Exactly. Folks pretending like we still have the exact same team that needs to be improved are sorely mistaken. We're a few steps back from where we were, and even then we had too many holes and lack of talent to be anything. Monti has a mountain to climb, and he has to do it now. Not after a few years of ho-hum, cartoon sloth speed approach. The future is now.
 

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Big difference between support--which we all do, unless you're questioning fandoms?--and blind support.
Your a counselor. You understand toxic relationships. Constant negativity and bitching is not support. It's abuse, and to try and convince otherwise is gaslighting.
That's psychology 102
 

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Your a counselor. You understand toxic relationships. Constant negativity and bitching is not support. It's abuse, and to try and convince otherwise is gaslighting.
That's psychology 102
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Yeah, if it was actually a relationship. I seriously doubt that my (perfectly understandable) negativity is in any way, shape, or form affecting the team, from players to coaching, or especially Bidwill. No one at the facility knows I even exist, unless they're looking at video from the Pat Tillman game and focusing on those carrying out and supporting the giant flag.

But, I do appreciate the tongue-in-cheek effort at gaslighting. Well played, sir. Well played.
 

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Kyler is a mid qb

You just answered your own question.

I don't know how this is a revelation to you. We literally just watched the Jets construct a super bowl level roster that included a wide range of top talent that completely and utterly sucked balls because Aaron Rodgers was cooked.

If you can't understand the concept that it doesn't how good the car is if the driver is crap I don't know what else to tell you.
 

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Nails in games that we would have lost without him being nails.

Such as? Miami? That's it really isn't it. And by nails what you really mean is he was poor through 60% of the game and then played like an actual NFL quarterback. I was in that game thread, I know what people here were saying about his play up until half way through Q3, and even then we still only won that game because Miami fumbled a snap out their EZ for a safety and gave us the ball back. We won that game as much as anything because the team played well.

Which games was Kyler nails in a win where the rest of the team didn't also play well?
 
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Man, people are really going to be disappointed in how free agency plays out, methinks.

Not least of which is that the two players they keep coming back to (Sweat and Williams) are just above average players on a great team and a great D line. If people think they are going to carry that to somewhere like the Cards without guys like Carter and Davis eating up double teams they are going to be disappointed.
 

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The problem with your argument is that it discounts when Kyler was nails last season. I can't believe I'm defending him, but we have to be fair about his play. Did he choke away games for us? Absolutely. Did he also carry the team sometimes? Absolutely. That's the problem with trying to re-legislate Ws and Ls with these kinds of arguments. There are just as many counterarguments.

The bottom line is that this roster is not good enough. Now, we can argue degrees. Are we good enough to win the SB? No one's idiotic enough to claim we are. Are we good enough to win playoff games? I will verbally crush any who say we are. Are we good enough to make the playoffs? I say not at this point, after losing some of the talent we do have. And that's a big, big problem. Our roster is bottom half and not even close. We need studs. We need, dare I say it, Big Johns, something Monti has not proven he can do even once.
My problem with Murray is consistency. It’s still too easy for teams to pressure him into folding. I don’t question his physical ability. In that respect he’s one of the best. However, top QBs rise to the occasion in big games; he did the opposite late in the season. The weird part is he’d showed up big at the end of earlier games. It’s time for him to be a force that can’t easily be contained. They need to give him a little more help, but he’s been the man long enough that these regressions should not be recurring. I think he has one more chance to be the guy he can be. I don’t think this is one of those cases where he goes somewhere else and stars. If he’s thinking that way he may soon find the grass really isn’t greener.
 

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Not least of which is that the two players they keep coming back to (Sweat and Williams) are just above average players on a great team and a great D line. If people think they are going to carry that to somewhere like the Cards without guys like Carter and Davis eating up double teams they are going to be disappointed.
I’m good with above average. I agree Sweat is not a Hall of Famer, but he’s an upgrade capable of impacting a few games. That would help. I have no illusions that he’s simply a building block who can rush the QB and set the edge.
 

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My problem with Murray is consistency. It’s still too easy for teams to pressure him into folding. I don’t question his physical ability. In that respect he’s one of the best. However, top QBs rise to the occasion in big games; he did the opposite late in the season. The weird part is he’d showed up big at the end of earlier games. It’s time for him to be a force that can’t easily be contained. They need to give him a little more help, but he’s been the man long enough that these regressions should not be recurring. I think he has one more chance to be the guy he can be. I don’t think this is one of those cases where he goes somewhere else and stars. If he’s thinking that way he may soon find the grass really isn’t greener.
I agree completely.
 

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I’m good with above average. I agree Sweat is not a Hall of Famer, but he’s an upgrade capable of impacting a few games. That would help. I have no illusions that he’s simply a building block who can rush the QB and set the edge.

I don't want to pay $18m a year + for a guy with Markus Golden like numbers. I think Koonce can give you similar performance for $10-12m.
 

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Yep, you're going to pay a huge premium for Sweat based on recency bias/success. If they're going all in, do it for a Maxxxxx or Garrett.
 

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Exactly. Folks pretending like we still have the exact same team that needs to be improved are sorely mistaken. We're a few steps back from where we were, and even then we had too many holes and lack of talent to be anything. Monti has a mountain to climb, and he has to do it now. Not after a few years of ho-hum, cartoon sloth speed approach. The future is now.
And I don't think it is an insurmountable task, but it will require Monti to operate differently than he has his two preceding off-seasons.
 

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Not least of which is that the two players they keep coming back to (Sweat and Williams) are just above average players on a great team and a great D line. If people think they are going to carry that to somewhere like the Cards without guys like Carter and Davis eating up double teams they are going to be disappointed.
Jordan Davis is overrated but Jalen Carter is a difference maker and elevates the quality depth around him a lot.
 

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I don't want to pay $18m a year + for a guy with Markus Golden like numbers. I think Koonce can give you similar performance for $10-12m.
Beggars can't be choosers. Monti can sit on his high horse an be worried about 5 mil whilst the team remains a sub 500 squad and he is forced to fire his coaches. Your quibbling over 5-8 mil when the EDGE group is lacking actual NFL level players is silly in a year that will require improvement and is piloted by a "mid QB". Look at Monti's FA class last year along the DL. He added mid players to mid contracts who didn't produce much during the time they were actually healthy.
 

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Like he Koonce idea a lot. Might not get him that cheaply, but I’d pay more for a shot at an up and comer like him.
I don't hate the idea but Monti would need to add other players as well, and really hope his knee holds up after missing an entire season.
 

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I don't hate the idea but Monti would need to add other players as well, and really hope his knee holds up after missing an entire season.
Going after pretty unproven guy coming off missing his entire 4th season and paying him decent money, but not break the bank dollars, to be our answer at Edge, seems like such a penny-wise/pound foolish Cardinals move.
 
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