MadCards Way Too Early 2025 offseason plan

[Chopper0080]

But even if you combine Dortch and Jones’ targets there isn’t enough volume to justify that high a selection

I'd rather throw money at it or use a 5th rounder.

 

[kerouac9]

I'd rather throw money at it or use a 5th rounder.

I don't know if there's a more depraved and unsubstantiated meme on this board than that this offense needs speed. This offense needs more verticality, but any additional money you spend on players is likely to be wasted until the QB develops a spine.

MHJ, Wilson, and McBride are plenty fast enough to open up the offense.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You can’t have blue chip NFL ready players at every position. You have to the lunch pail guys too. You hope draft picks blossom and turn out to be who you thought they were.
Robinson is a good example. Where would he be if hadn’t injured his calf?
Good players make the player next to them better. Great players make the player next to them very good players.

“every position?” We don’t have a single blue chip player on defense unless you think budda qualifies.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I like Jone and Lopez but what was the sample size (games) you are using for comparison?

All the games they played for us. What are you basing your analysis upon?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

To take this thread in a different direction:

Lets say the top of the draft goes like PFF just mocked it:

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Would you offer a TEXANS 2023 like trade offer to Carolina at #5 to get Abdul Carter, EDGE, Penn St?

to refresh on what that was:

No. 3: Arizona → Houston (D). Arizona traded first- and fourth-round selections (3rd and 105th overall) to Houston in exchange for first- and second-round selections (12th and 33rd overall), and 2024 first- and third-round selections.[Trade 2]

Yes

 

[TheCardFan]

All the games they played for us. What are you basing your analysis upon?

Two of the guys you are comparing them two didn't play a full season. How do you compare a few games to an entire season?

 

[Harry]

I don't know if there's a more depraved and unsubstantiated meme on this board than that this offense needs speed. This offense needs more verticality, but any additional money you spend on players is likely to be wasted until the QB develops a spine.

MHJ, Wilson, and McBride are plenty fast enough to open up the offense.

Better protection will give him more time to throw and go deeper. Still a speed receiver can make a defense struggle to double cover players.

 

[Harry]

Yes

Not enough

 

[kerouac9]

Better protection will give him more time to throw and go deeper. Still a speed receiver can make a defense struggle to double cover players.

Did Rondale Moore or Hollywood Brown do this?

 

[daves]

Greg Dortch had 50 targets last season. If we invest another third round pick on a skill position player who is capped for production, I'm going to lose my mind.

Not saying I agree with it, but the theory some have put forth is that the value of a #2 WR who can get open deep is based on more than the number of targets and catches he has - he would open things up for Harrison and the running game as well.

 

[Harry]

Did Rondale Moore or Hollywood Brown do this?

I think Brown did. Moore only ran routes late in his career.

 

[oaken1]

Did Rondale Moore or Hollywood Brown do this?

Hard to do when playing for a coach that thinks the fast little dudes are supposed to get their yards via RAC.
Can't back off the defense if the coach doesn't send them deep and the qb doesn't throw it to them when he does.
Kyler has trust issues. We all know this...maybe bringing Christian Kirk back is actually the answer?

 

[oaken1]

Not saying I agree with it, but the theory some have put forth is that the value of a #2 WR who can get open deep is based on more than the number of targets and catches he has - he would open things up for Harrison and the running game as well.

A deep threat is just that...a threat...you just have to hit it once in a while when the defense does not take it seriously.
Keeping those safeties back does wonders for a decent TE

 

[Stout]

Better protection will give him more time to throw and go deeper. Still a speed receiver can make a defense struggle to double cover players.

He had plenty of protection to give him opportunities to throw deep. Let's not pretend Kyler wasn't a major issue with us not being able to go deep.

 

[kerouac9]

Both Harrison and Wilson have sufficient speed to threaten defenses over the top. We lack a quarterback with the spine to test the defense.

Rondale Moore and Marquise Brown were here last year.

 

[DVontel]

Both Harrison and Wilson have sufficient speed to threaten defenses over the top. We lack a quarterback with the spine to test the defense.

Rondale Moore and Marquise Brown were here last year.

I don’t know about Michael. He looks every bit as 4.58 on the field.

 

[kerouac9]

I don’t know about Michael. He looks every bit as 4.58 on the field.

Yes but he’s precise in double moves to create space. He’s had a few bombs.

 

[oaken1]

Yes but he’s precise in double moves to create space. He’s had a few bombs.

While your point is valid...a guy getting open with routes doesn't back up safeties as well as pure blazing speed

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

Ehh reme

I don’t know about Michael. He looks every bit as 4.58 on the field.

Ehh remember a guy named Boldin and some other dude named Fitzgerald neither were considered speed demons Boldin I think was a 4.6-4.7 guy its a lot in the scheme and ability of the Qb, give us a vintage Warner or Palmer and we wouldnt be talking about Speed recievers but we have what we have which is a run heavy short passing with RAC emphasis and good defense which is what we are lacking at present

 

[kerouac9]

While your point is valid...a guy getting open with routes doesn't back up safeties as well as pure blazing speed

This is just not factual. The difference between 4.5 and 4.3 is extremely small.

 

[oaken1]

This is just not factual. The difference between 4.5 and 4.3 is extremely small.

Oh god I know...it's only like a quarter of a second

 

[kerouac9]

Oh god I know...it's only like a quarter of a second

Like in the space created on a straight run

 

[WisconsinCard]

Oh god I know...it's only like a quarter of a second

If you 4 3 guy is running 20 mph and you 4.5 is running 20 mph your .2 is worth about 7 feet per second. So it's bigger than one thinks. If my math is correct

 

[oaken1]

Like in the space created on a straight run

Yeah...over the course of 40 yards it's about 3 yards.

 

[daves]

If you 4 3 guy is running 20 mph and you 4.5 is running 20 mph your .2 is worth about 7 feet per second. So it's bigger than one thinks. If my math is correct

40 yards in 4.3 seconds = 27.91 feet per second.
40 yards in 4.5 seconds = 26.67 feet per second.

After 4.5 seconds (if both players were sprinting on a straight line) the faster player would have covered 41.86 yards.