Mahomes, Trubisky, Watson, Webb, Tabor and Cutrer

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If the Cardinals are intent on taking a QB at #13 it appears likely that one or two of the top 3 rated QBs will be available when it is their turn to pick.

My favorite of the top 3 is Patrick Mahomes. However, it would not surprise me if he's the first QB taken or that he is off the board by the time the Cardinals pick.

if Mahomes is available at #13 and the Cardinals take him, in my opinion, they would need to modify their current offense to suit Mahomes' strengths. The perfect offense for Mahomes is what the Packers run for Aaron Rodgers. Lots of shotgun formations...and lots of pocket shifts via bootlegs, waggles and sprint outs.

Were the Cardinals to try to make Mahomes fit into BA's traditional offense, this would be a mistake.

Same in some respects for Mitchell Trubisky and Deshaun Watson. Trubisky is very good throwing on the run and Watson, from time to time, at his size, needs pocket shifts in order to create better vision and clear passing lanes.

If the Cardinals draft Trubisky -- they would become the ultimate "No Risk-It, No Biscuit"! As Trubisky's nickname is "Biscuit."

The question becomes -- is BA amenable to making changes to his offense?

Secondly, if the Cardinals do draft a QB early in the draft this year, are they drafting him potentially for a different head coach if BA retires?

if the Cardinals would prefer to have the QB fit BA's current system, the best suited for it may well be Davis Webb. Webb has the size and requisite arm strength -- and his game isn't predicated on pocket shifts.

Would the Cardinals consider taking Webb at #13? Or would they consider trading down in the 1st round if they felt confident he would still be on the board? Would they gamble that he would still be available at #45? Or would they try to trade up from #45?

I did not mention DeShone Kizer because the Cardinals have met with Mahomes, Trubisky, Watson, Webb and Peterman -- but not Kizer. Unless that is an elaborate ruse, it does not appear that the Cardinals feel he's a fit for them.

In other news, the Cardinals are working out Florida CB **** Tabor. Tabor is a cagy ballhawk who gets his hands on a lot of passes -- but he's not a classic press CB, nor his he a blazer (4.6 at the Combine).

The questions are -- are the Cardinals considering him at #13, or, because of Tabor's slow 40 and couple of disciplinary issues at Florida, do they anticipate him possibly being available at #45?

The Saints are also working him out and they have three of the top 43 picks.

Another CB the Cardinals are looking closely at is Jeremy Cutrer of Middle Tennessee St. Cutrer has good size (6-1, 170) and 4.4 speed. He played in a press cover system at MTSU and thrived the past two seasons picking off 6 passes and registering 29 pass breakups. Very tough in run support. He also has two blocked kicks on his resume.
 

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Good stuff, Mitch. I think QB Webb would be there in round 2 but I like Mahomes at #13. I think he will be there. Trubisky will go before him. CB Tabor has fallen due to his poor performance at the Combine. He should be there in Round 2 when we pick. Cards are going to take a CB. I just don't know which one as there as so many good ones avaialbe. I see the Cards going QB round 1 and CB round 2. These are both must fill positions.
 

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I think BA is far more flexible with his offense than given credit for.

BA is the guy who said in his first year that RBs were not passing targets. Fast forward and DJ catches like 80 balls in 2016.
 

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I'm still in the Trubisky camp. Mahomes is my number two. I wouldn't be upset if we took either one of them at 13 but they are both projects that will take a couple years to become a decent starter.
 

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if Mahomes is available at #13 and the Cardinals take him, in my opinion, they would need to modify their current offense to suit Mahomes' strengths. The perfect offense for Mahomes is what the Packers run for Aaron Rodgers. Lots of shotgun formations...and lots of pocket shifts via bootlegs, waggles and sprint outs.

That is fine if Mahomes is the next Aaron Rodgers but that is not very likely. If we draft Mahomes, then we need to change BA's offense (he tweaks but I doubt he will change after all these years) and what does that new offense mean to our franchise RB?
 

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The QB Mahomes really reminds me of is Stafford. They both have incredible arm strength, good athleticism, and ability to throw from any angle. Not a coincidence that they were both great HS baseball players. Like Stafford, Mahomes is a risk taker and will look like a million bucks one game and terrible then next early in his career, but I think he has the passion, intelligence and work ethic to become a very good starter once the game slows down for him.
 

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If ARZ is serious about finding a QBOF, BA needs to adjust his system because it will be harder to find someone that is tailor made for it. Change the scheme to fit your QB and they will develop faster. It took Palmer a couple of years to get BA's system and he was a veteran QB so that alone should tell you that the system needs to be simplified.
 

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Kizer is the best fit.

He checks all of BA's "size" boxes, hes a traditional pocket passer, hes got a cannon arm, and hes a deep ball specialist.

I like him. Too many Qs with the other guys.
 

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Kizer is the best fit.

He checks all of BA's "size" boxes, hes a traditional pocket passer, hes got a cannon arm, and hes a deep ball specialist.

I like him. Too many Qs with the other guys.

I think he is not any good
Accuracy is doubtful
Completion percentage got worse since his first season
 
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I started out not liking Patrick Mahomes during last football season, then I watched a bunch of stuff on him and determined that I DID in fact like his game... now I'm somewhere more in the middle. His strengths are obvious, I just don't know if his weaknesses can be addressed. (How often does a kid completely change his throwing motion and succeed?) I think I could be ok with this pick ultimately. If we could trade up at then end of the first and save 13, then even better.
 

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I think he is not any good
Accuracy is doubtful
Completion percentage got worse since his the first season

Thats fine, you dont have to like him. I understand the appeal of the other QBs.


I do like Kizer. I dont make excuses for guys, but Kizer is a good example of a guy who has legitimate excuses. Similar to Andrew Luck the past few years when hes been getting sacked the most in the NFL. If you dont have a good team around you, even great players struggle.
Thats what Kizer is. Hes a very good QB, who has been a victim of an awful Notre Dame team.
 

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Thats fine, you dont have to like him. I understand the appeal of the other QBs.


I do like Kizer. I dont make excuses for guys, but Kizer is a good example of a guy who has legitimate excuses. Similar to Andrew Luck the past few years when hes been getting sacked the most in the NFL. If you dont have a good team around you, even great players struggle.
Thats what Kizer is. Hes a very good QB, who has been a victim of an awful Notre Dame team.

I also like Kizer. He would be a good fit for BAs system. You are right about Notre Dame, Kizer was better his first year as starter than last year due to the fact that some good WRs and OLs had left. The team was a mess. I really don't know if Kizer or Mahomes would be the better pick. I'll leave that up to BASK.
 

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The question becomes -- is BA amenable to making changes to his offense?

Why wouldn't he ?

He changed it last year when the deep ball wasn't there anymore, and based the offense around David Johnson. Ended up scoring more than 30 point in 4 of the last 5 games of the season, and the only game they didn't they played in a flippin' swimming pool.

Contrary to his reputation, Arians will make changes for the players he has.
 

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Thats fine, you dont have to like him. I understand the appeal of the other QBs.


I do like Kizer. I dont make excuses for guys, but Kizer is a good example of a guy who has legitimate excuses. Similar to Andrew Luck the past few years when hes been getting sacked the most in the NFL. If you dont have a good team around you, even great players struggle.
Thats what Kizer is. Hes a very good QB, who has been a victim of an awful Notre Dame team.

If the mental aspect is important to the position, then Kizer is leaps and bounds from the other guys. I have watched the interviews so far and Kizer has a professional demeanor about him and he is very smart in comparison... of course they are all young guys, but all the other guys are like kids compared to Kizer when he talks in my opinion
 

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I know it seems strange, but some pundits and scouts believe that Webb is the best of the bunch. That's how crazy and unpredictable this QB class is.

He might be when the dust settles but no way he's an option at 13.

It is an unpredictable class which is why I think they'll avoid it in the 1st round especially with so much talent available to them. Its looking like other teams are doing that. San Francisco and Chicago bought bridges to 2018 weather its through free agency or the draft. The Jets are going to be terrible and probably tanking for Darnold. That leaves Cleveland and Buffalo as possible qb selections ahead of the Cardinals. No one mocked Bosa to the Chargers last year so maybe they're keeping their cards close to their chest again and looking for Rivers successor.

My hunch tells me they like Kizer and Mahomes more than the others but think they pass on qb early unless one of these guys blows them away.



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He might be when the dust settles but no way he's an option at 13.

It is an unpredictable class which is why I think they'll avoid it in the 1st round especially with so much talent available to them. Its looking like other teams are doing that. San Francisco and Chicago bought bridges to 2018 weather its through free agency or the draft. The Jets are going to be terrible and probably tanking for Darnold. That leaves Cleveland and Buffalo as possible qb selections ahead of the Cardinals. No one mocked Bosa to the Chargers last year so maybe they're keeping their cards close to their chest again and looking for Rivers successor.

My hunch tells me they like Kizer and Mahomes more than the others but think they pass on qb early unless one of these guys blows them away.



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I do not see Webb going at #13 either. But i do see him going before #45, which puts the Cardinals in a bit of a dilemma if he's their top QB.

I read today that no Cardinals' coach was on hand to see Mitchell Trubisky's pro day. Rumor has it that BA thinks Trubisky isn't as thick and strong-armed as he would like. If there's truth to the rumor, then scratch not only Trubisky off the Cardinals' board, scratch Watson too, because Watson has the slowest RPMs of any of the top QB prospects. That would leave Mahomes, Kizer, Webb and Peterman. But, the Cardinals did not meet with Kizer...hmm. And if BA wants a thicker, big armed QB then that would rule out Peterman.

Thus, it may be down to Mahomes and Webb.
 
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Welcome to the board!

I do not see Webb going at #13 either. But i do see him going before #45, which puts the Cardinals in a bit of a dilemma if he's their top QB.

I read today that no Cardinals' coach was on hand to see Mitchell Trubisky's pro day. Rumor has it that BA thinks Trubisky isn't as thick and strong-armed as he would like. If there's truth to the rumor, then scratch not only Trubisky off the Cardinals' board, scratch Watson too, because Watson has the slowest RPMs of any of the top QB prospects. That would leave Mahomes, Kizer, Webb and Peterman. But, the Cardinals did not meet with Kizer...hmm. And if BA wants a thicker, big armed QB then that would rule out Peterman.

Thus, it may be down to Mahomes and Webb.

I believe it was reported on twitter that Byron Leftwich attended pro day for Trubisky.

I am fine with the Cardinals selecting a QB in rd 2 if they really believe he is the QBOTF but to give up mid/high 1st round pick with this talent pool to risk/reach for a 2nd round guy would be a mistake.
 
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