Make or Break Time: Now until the All-Star Break

[BC867]

Yeah it does seem silly to be buyers, when the best you can do is get the #2 WC spot.

Why? If we can't be the best, let's be bad?

Being buyers is the owners' responsibility, not the fans.

With our pitching problems from the start of the season,
I'll take a post-season appearance over not for starters.

Especially with the progress the rookie starting pitchers
have been showing.

 

[Ronin]

Is this a team that is on the rise, on the decline or just hohum?

Hohum.
What is maddening is that the teams ahead of us, aren’t getting any separation from us in the race for the wc spot.

 

[devilalum]

Hohum.
What is maddening is that the teams ahead of us, aren’t getting any separation from us in the race for the wc spot.

Yup, there’s a whole lotta hohum goin around .


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[Ronin]

Why? If we can't be the best, let's be bad?

Being buyers is the owners' responsibility, not the fans.

With our pitching problems from the start of the season,
I'll take a post-season appearance over not for starters.

Especially with the progress the rookie starting pitchers
have been showing.

Because I want us to be more than none and done in this year’s playoffs.

 

[BC867]

Because I want us to be more than none and done in this year’s playoffs.

And if we don't, you'd rather not try?

Again, with the progress the rookie starting pitchers have been showing,
which also takes pressure off the relievers, the D-backs could look like
an entirely different team come playoff time.

We still have half a season to see which ones are keepers.

Keep the faith, baby!

Or are we saying the same thing? There are reasons to be spenders.

 

[Yuma]

My point is we don't need Aces. Just some mid level pitchers to fill the 4 and 5 spot, and that would help us next season too. Not like we are looking to pick up a Grienke. Plus we roll our current 4-5 guys down to the bull pen and theoretically strengthen that, too.

 

[Ronin]

And if we don't, you'd rather not try?

Again, with the progress the rookie starting pitchers have been showing,
which also takes pressure off the relievers, the D-backs could look like
an entirely different team come playoff time.

We still have half a season to see which ones are keepers.

Keep the faith, baby!

Or are we saying the same thing? There are reasons to be spenders.

I’ll be cheering for the Dbacks either way.
I like the optimism @BC867.

 

[AZCB34]

Why? If we can't be the best, let's be bad?

Being buyers is the owners' responsibility, not the fans.

With our pitching problems from the start of the season,
I'll take a post-season appearance over not for starters.

Especially with the progress the rookie starting pitchers
have been showing.

That is extreme. The point of sports is to win a championship and while it is possible to win one from WC2 do you think that likely? Of course not.

Therefore, the cost to position yourself for a real run at something would be quite high and this isn't a team one or two pieces away. I would argue this team is virtually an entire bullpen away from being high quality. Perhaps another starter or two. All to be a championship caliber team.

The Dbacks are stuck in no man's land. If I am Hazen I am listening to any and all offers while at the same time testing the waters to upgrade all with an eye for next year or the year after. I am not focused on this year sorry of this team ripping off 17 out of 20 which this team simply can't do.

 

[BC867]

All or nothing, ACZB34? That is extreme. I don't buy it.

Only one team wins the World Series each year (none in one of the two leagues).

The rest jockey for position. You don't throw out a season because you are not
a contender to win it all.

And I'll say it a third time. With the way the young starting pitchers have been
doing lately, this team could be a lot more of a post-season contender into the
second half.

What do the rest of you guys think?

 

[AZCB34]

All or nothing, ACZB34? That is extreme. I don't buy it.

Only one team wins the World Series each year (none in one of the two leagues).

The rest jockey for position. You don't throw out a season because you are not
a contender to win it all.

And I'll say it a third time. With the way the young starting pitchers have been
doing lately, this team could be a lot more of a post-season contender into the
second half.

What do the rest of you guys think?

I don't believe at this point they are a postseason (forget championship) caliber team. So what positions do you think they need to fill to make a run to make the postseason?

 

[BC867]

Here are my thoughts of how to reach the post-season.

1) With the continued development of young starting pitchers, build a solid 5-man
starting rotation.

2) Add a 3rd 'closer' to Lopez and Holland for the 7th-8th-9th innings and another
to control too many days in a row. Assure that neither Archie nor Yoshi pitch in
the 7th, 8th or 9th innings with a lead.

3) Hope that Torey's apparent approach of deciding lineups a week in advance and
treating each day's starting lineup as a new beginning ended with the first half.

Torey is going to go nuts with Lamb playing 1st then 3rd, moving Escobar to 2B
and Marte to CF and Dyson to RF, which was mentioned by Steve on the air.

Well, the first two out of three anyway. If we don't make the post-season
(barring a key injury), I believe it will be due to the inconsistency of the manager,
hovering around .500 so far, with wins and losses continuing to be bunched together.

 

[AZCB34]

Here are my thoughts of how to reach the post-season.

1) With the continued development of young starting pitchers, build a solid 5-man
starting rotation.

2) Add a 3rd 'closer' to Lopez and Holland for the 7th-8th-9th innings and another
to control too many days in a row. Assure that neither Archie nor Yoshi pitch in
the 7th, 8th or 9th innings with a lead.

3) Hope that Torey's apparent approach of deciding lineups a week in advance and
treating each day's starting lineup as a new beginning ended with the first half.

Torey is going to go nuts with Lamb playing 1st then 3rd, moving Escobar to 2B
and Marte to CF and Dyson to RF, which was mentioned by Steve on the air.

Well, the first two out of three anyway. If we don't make the post-season
(barring a key injury), I believe it will be due to the inconsistency of the manager,
hovering around .500 so far, with wins and losses continuing to be bunched together.

If I am reading this right you are saying they are one reliever and the manager pulling his head out of his ass away from the postseason?

 

[AZCB34]

I think they are 5-8 so far on this run up to all star break so far. Coming up...2 at LA and 3 vs Rockies. Best case scenario is 10-8. Will likely be lucky to not finish this 18 game run under .500

 

[BC867]

If I am reading this right you are saying they are one reliever and the manager pulling his head out of his ass away from the postseason?

Yeah, that's pretty much it!

 

[AZCB34]

5-10 during this critical 18 game stretch within the division. Are you buying or selling?

Personally I am selling and pretty much nobody is of limits.

 

[overseascardfan]

Heard on Burns and Gambo that Hazen mentioned that if we are out of it at ASB, we may be neither buyers or sellers at deadline and just ride out season with what we have.

That makes sense to some degree. If you feel you're better off with guys like Holland & Adam Jones the rest of the year than with what little you can get for them in trade then keep them. If keeping them improves the product on the field then that should make them watchable even if they aren't making the playoffs. Unless they want to sell high on guys like Peralta, Ray, Ahmed & Greinke then start listening to offers. We need SP back if we deal Ray or Greinke as we cannot lose those 2 without replacing them in the rotation with big league ready starters.

 

[Lefty]

The Diamondbacks should trade Greinke before the deadline. His value will not get any higher. Need to build for the future.

 

[AZCB34]

The Diamondbacks should trade Greinke before the deadline. His value will not get any higher. Need to build for the future.

I would listen to offers but it would have to be a huge windfall