Malcom Butler signed

[Zeno]

Ehhh no more 30+ year old CBs please

It isn't like there are a ton of 20 something CBs with starting experience available right now. The team needs another veteran CB.

 

[Chopper0080]

Also why do you guys keep saying “hopefully we go BPA & not forced to go CB” like CB couldn’t possibly be BPA(& no I’m not talking about Horn & Surtain)? lol


This is reminiscent of the Wirfs vs Simmons talk

Agreed. Four CBs that I would be completely happy if we took even at 16.

 

[juza76]

Also why do you guys keep saying “hopefully we go BPA & not forced to go CB” like CB couldn’t possibly be BPA(& no I’m not talking about Horn & Surtain)? lol


This is reminiscent of the Wirfs vs Simmons talk

Don't mix ilb with other key positions cause I know your thought
If u have a stud OL and Surtain newsome and horn are gone, u dont take him?

 

[BritCard]

I like it. Still a very good CB.

Given a choice between P2 for 8m plus incentives or Butler for 3.5m plus incentives it's a no brainer.

It will be nice to have a CB who can tackle.

I still want another vet.

 

[Zeno]

Also why do you guys keep saying “hopefully we go BPA & not forced to go CB” like CB couldn’t possibly be BPA(& no I’m not talking about Horn & Surtain)? lol


This is reminiscent of the Wirfs vs Simmons talk

Its insurance for IF CB is not BPA. CB may NOT be BPA, we won't know until draft day.

 

[Chopper0080]

My biggest worry is that we trade way back and don't draft any of those CBs.

 

[JosiahLee]

For those still wanting to see Nelson signed, Gambo confirmed the Cards are out on Nelson stating there were reasons Pittsburgh let him go.

 

[Chopper0080]

Don't mix ilb with other key positions cause I know your thought
If u have a stud OL and Surtain newsome and horn are gone, u dont take him?

If all 4 CBs are gone by 16, you are trading back because you will need to draft multiple guys.

 

[juza76]

If all 4 CBs are gone by 16, you are trading back because you will need to draft multiple guys.

We need to draft multiple guys as well, cause we have many old players with just 1 year deals

WR Kirk Green 1 year under contract
OG winters pugh
OLB Jones1 Golden2 Kennard likely cut gardeck 1
CB butler alford 1 year

 

[Chopper0080]

Its insurance for IF CB is not BPA. CB may NOT be BPA, we won't know until draft day.

BPA doesn't really exist. Need and fit (scheme) are generally the two biggest determining draft factors.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I like it. Still a very good CB.

Given a choice between P2 for 8m plus incentives or Butler for 3.5m plus incentives it's a no brainer.

It will be nice to have a CB who can tackle.

I still want another vet.

without a doubt to all of this.

 

[Minski]

For those still wanting to see Nelson signed, Gambo confirmed the Cards are out on Nelson stating there were reasons Pittsburgh let him go.

If that’s the case then go get Heyward and be done with CB FAs this year

 

[Zeno]

BPA doesn't really exist. Need and fit (scheme) are generally the two biggest determining draft factors.

Reaching for a position of need normally comes back to bite teams. Like the scenario you said earlier if the top 4 CBs are gone by 16 you don't draft the 5th best one even though he may have a second round grade because that is a need--you either draft the BPA (that fits another need position) or you trade down.

 

[Chopper0080]

We need to draft multiple guys as well, cause we have many old players with just 1 year deals

WR
OG
OLB
CB

Pugh, Murray and Jones are all under contract next year so I don't think OG is going to be a priority when we have limited draft picks. I believe that is why we signed Winters and Garcia.

OLB is a "if the right player is available" option more than anything.

CB is a huge need.

WR...meh. Same as EDGE.

 

[BritCard]

Am I right in saying that because Butler was cut he doesn't count against comp pick calculations?

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

No I'm not in the wrong thread.

I'm just tooting my own horn.lol

 

[Chopper0080]

Reaching for a position of need normally comes back to bite teams. Like the scenario you said earlier if the top 4 CBs are gone by 16 you don't draft the 5th best one even though he may have a second round grade because that is a need--you either draft the BPA (that fits another need position) or you trade down.

Every team drafts for need and fit. Their grades are based upon fit into the scheme. They stack their board based upon need and fit. So, does the player fit our scheme and can he make our roster? BPA is a media creation to be able to rank players based upon every scheme and regardless of the composition of any team's roster.

 

[Chopper0080]

Am I right in saying that because Butler was cut he doesn't count against comp pick calculations?

Yes

 

[splitsecond]

Honestly, aside from TE, is there any position we are weaker at than we were when the season ended?

if we are being honest about how bad Drake and PP were last year, no.

 

[Zeno]

Every team drafts for need and fit. Their grades are based upon fit into the scheme. They stack their board based upon need and fit. So, does the player fit our scheme and can he make our roster? BPA is a media creation to be able to rank players based upon every scheme and regardless of the composition of any team's roster.

So you are saying that teams don't rank players on their draft board from 1-100 or whatever? That they don't assign a certain value to players based on what their scouts have graded them? They don't look at that board when they are on the clock and say we are taking this guy because he is who we consider the best player available for our team? I find that hard to believe.

 

[HGC]

I’m good with this. I prefer Butler over Sherman and that’s who I was expecting.

 

[Stout]

Also why do you guys keep saying “hopefully we go BPA & not forced to go CB” like CB couldn’t possibly be BPA(& no I’m not talking about Horn & Surtain)? lol


This is reminiscent of the Wirfs vs Simmons talk

It's a pretty simple statement, hoping we go BPA and are not FORCED to go CB. Forced being the key word. CB may indeed be the BPA for us, or maybe not. Not having to snap one up regardless because we're boxed in would be a nice feeling.

Yes, let's not go into the insane conversation about how you never draft a specific position in the first round (excepting ST players)

 

[Solar7]

I'm okay with it but not at all excited. I haven't had a very high opinion of Butler and feel he's been very overrated since that Super Bowl pick.

Does Butler whiff on tackles? Takes plays off? Calls out his teammates if there is a missed assignment? Throws a temper tantrum if he doesn't get his way?

If no, to any of those questions, I will take a 40 yr old Butler (ok, maybe not that old) over Pat Pete any day

No, he just comes in unprepared the week of the Super Bowl so much that one of the greatest head coaches of all time benches him for the entirety of the game besides a special teams snap.

Also why do you guys keep saying “hopefully we go BPA & not forced to go CB” like CB couldn’t possibly be BPA(& no I’m not talking about Horn & Surtain)? lol


This is reminiscent of the Wirfs vs Simmons talk

It can possibly be BPA, but it can also possibly not be. We don't want the team to have to pass over premiere talent that drops for wild reasons because we're desperate at a position.

Every team drafts for need and fit. Their grades are based upon fit into the scheme. They stack their board based upon need and fit. So, does the player fit our scheme and can he make our roster? BPA is a media creation to be able to rank players based upon every scheme and regardless of the composition of any team's roster.

BPA being a myth is the strangest take I've heard in a while. Of course it's adjusted for scheme and fit, but Byron Murphy doesn't suddenly become a better player than DeAndre Hopkins because of those factors. Sometimes someone is just clearly a better player regardless of positional need.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Decent 1 yr rental probably

Hope he does well as a cards

Cards definitely still need to draft a corner or sign another