Marbury's foul

[Card Trader]

Was at the game tonight and this foul on Nash seemed to be about as big of a cheap shot as they come. A forearm to the face? Come on, how was that not a flagrant. Marbury should have been tossed.


I never had anything but respect for the guy, he always gave it his all, but doing that was just cheap.

By the way, the behind the back pass to Stoudemire at a full sprint has got to be one of the best passes I've ever seen.

 

[elindholm]

Was at the game tonight and this foul on Nash seemed to be about as big of a cheap shot as they come. A forearm to the face? Come on, how was that not a flagrant.

I think it was reckless, even though no harm was intended. If they had called a flagrant, I think everyone would have made nice and that would have been it. Instead, they let it go, and the fans took it out on Marbury for the rest of the game. I thought that was sort of sad. Marbury represented the organization well (for the most part) and, unlike Kidd, hasn't made an ass of himself since moving on. It would have been nice for the crowd to be more gracious.

By the way, the behind the back pass to Stoudemire at a full sprint has got to be one of the best passes I've ever seen.

Yeah, that was great! Too bad SportsCenter doesn't do real Plays of the Week anymore.

 

[cardsunsfan]

I don't think he meant it he was just trying to rap up. I felt sad for the guy, I thougth he looked genuinely hurt when the fans started booing...

 

[AZZenny]

It sure as hell looked to me like he meant it - looked nasty and excessive when it happened - although when shown from other angles, it also looked like as Nash started to fall, Marbury reached around to hold him up. No one in the audience could have seen that, of course. But even in the replays I thought it was dangerously rough.

The fans sounded like maybe they just got in from the 16th hole, and by gum, they were going to personally protect our little Stevie. Maybe they're tired of our guys getting mugged and nothing being called.

 

[fordronken]

Marbury represented the organization well (for the most part) and, unlike Kidd, hasn't made an ass of himself since moving on.

"I'm the best point guard in the NBA."

But yeah, I agree. However, it was a pretty bad foul.

 

[BleedRed]

I thought it was dirty as well. I mean it wasn't just like wrap him up and prevent the easy bucket. He put the hammer down on him. But should we be surprised he pulled the same crap in New York cept if I remember correctly it was an elbow to Amare. Thank God he's gone he's a loser. But anywayz, Go Suns!!

 

[moviebuff316]

They Showed a replay On it and it looked liked Marbury went for the ball and just warpped Nash by the Neck on the way down. I don't think it was a viscious foul or anything. Just a Hard foul.

 

[Goldfield]

I think he was truely going for the ball but the ball never came out. He fouled hard which I would want any of my players doing in that situation.

He didnt let up at all even when he had nash around the neck which was very questionable, but he did do all he could to hold Nash from falling.


It was a hard foul that could of gone either way. I dont think he meant any harm, he just couldnt afford to let nash score.

 

[PhxGametime]

I saw the play and IMO he might of been in the wrong - it's cool the fans aren't going to take that crap against the Suns (Memphis, wow) anymore but I'd cheer him the next game against Suns - until whistles sounds and treat him like any opponent... it wasn't that bad but I get upset all the time with the crap that happens and I tend to blame officials (which in some cases is in the right) but the opponent is going to lie, cheat, and steal


Suns aren't going to back down and take that crap anymore, Suns play the right way and I support them...

 

[reader]

If the Suns really think there was a flagrant foul that was missed, I believe there is some mechanism in place to appeal the call. If the flagrant is reviewed and then assessed, the flagrant is added to the players total. A combination of flagrant 1's and 2's can result in a players suspension when they get x number of flagrants. Last year?, when Nash was fouled by Malone and no flagrant was called at the time, a review resulted in Malone getting the flagrant and being suspended for a game.

 

[jbeecham]

Yeah that was a flagrant foul. Marbury really didn't go for the ball at all. He clubbed Nash in the back of the head and basically put him in a headlock. The only saving grace is that he held Nash up, but that shouldn't have stopped it from being a flagrant foul. I like Marbury and I was a fan of his when he was here, but that was a cheapshot. He could've slapped down acrossed Nash's arms during the shot if he wanted to give a hard foul.

 

[Errntknght]

It looked to me like Marbs was, at least, hoping to hit the ball but I'd have called it a flagrant foul because it was a dangerously hard hit at that speed. I see quite a few fouls I'd call as flagrant that the refs let go... mainly because of hits that are excessive.

 

[sly fly]

That was one of those "i'm-taking-out-my-frustration-due-to-chasing-this-energizer-rabbit-dude-all-game-long" fouls.

Was it hard? Extremely. Did Marbury have any real intent on going for the ball? No. Did he want to put the hurtin' on a player that's eating in his house? Quite possibly.

I actually felt bad for Marbs getting booed. The guy has been nothing but class since getting traded. However, I don't think it really bothered him. In fact, he probably thinks more of the fans here for sticking up for one of their players.

It's about time our crowd showed a little flavor. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

"I'm the best point guard in the NBA."

This is a quote that keeps being taken out of context. What happened was a reporter went up to Steph and basically baited him into saying it, asking him if he believed if he was the best point guard in the league. It's not like he was pulling a Roy Jones Jr, and spouting off unsolicited.

I was pretty disappointed in the crowd as well, the myopia of many there was kinda embarassing. Marbury played his ass off every game he was in Phoenix, and really made an effort to embrace Phoenix. He never made bitter comments about the team, and never put the team down when he left. Apparently, because they wern't winning every game when he left, and things are better now, people don't appreciate that.

 

[AZZenny]

Maybe I missed something, but I only heard the crowd boo Steph after what certainly appeared to many/most as a mean, flagrant foul on our little MVP. I have NO problem with the crowd, even if they weren't correct about the foul; it shows some spirit and genuine attachment to our players that a great many people (here and elsewhere) have accused Phoenix fans of lacking. What do you want - a golf clap?

Besides - Steph WAS a Sun, he is not a Sun now. Why should the fans be any more polite or forgiving to him than any other hard-fouling NBA star? You think if Randy Johnson comes back to pitch against us and hit Gonzo with a pitch he wouldn't get some noise?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Besides - Steph WAS a Sun, he is not a Sun now. Why should the fans be any more polite or forgiving to him than any other hard-fouling NBA star? You think if Randy Johnson comes back to pitch against us and hit Gonzo with a pitch he wouldn't get some noise?

Apples and oranges. They should be more polite and forgiving to Steph because of what he did for the team, which clearly distinguishes him from other hard fouling NBA stars, which we have no attachment to at all.

Secondly, I would expect Randy to get booed in the said situation, but comparing the Marbury and Johnson situations is a poor comparision. Yes, they both got traded from local teams, but the comparisons really end there. Steph had no interest in being traded, and his additude here was great. Johnson got his ring, and then when the team started losing, started up with his boorish additude, sulking around the clubhouse and starting fights with teammates. He essentially forced a trade to the most hated team in baseball because he had no loyalty to the D-backs and making them a better team; he just pulled a Gollem and went for the ring. I would say these are two wholly different situations.

 

[Joe Mama]

Maybe I missed something, but I only heard the crowd boo Steph after what certainly appeared to many/most as a mean, flagrant foul on our little MVP. I have NO problem with the crowd, even if they weren't correct about the foul; it shows some spirit and genuine attachment to our players that a great many people (here and elsewhere) have accused Phoenix fans of lacking. What do you want - a golf clap?

Besides - Steph WAS a Sun, he is not a Sun now. Why should the fans be any more polite or forgiving to him than any other hard-fouling NBA star? You think if Randy Johnson comes back to pitch against us and hit Gonzo with a pitch he wouldn't get some noise?

I believe Eddie Johnson said that there were some boos at the beginning of the game, possibly when he was announced. If that's true I feel badly for Marbury as well. Even though he might not have been a good fit with the team that the Phoenix Suns wanted to build (running, running, and running some more) with the exception of his DUI he was a class act here in Phoenix. He hasn't badmouthed the organization after he was traded.

I really don't think it's fair to criticize Marbury for the struggles of the New York Knicks. I'm much quicker to blame Isaiah Thomas. At least two thirds of the moves this clown has made since taking over in New York have made little to no sense. He wants to build a fast, athletic team. It's as if he had absolutely no idea why the Phoenix Suns wanted to trade Marbury. He needs to be surrounded by shooters, defenders, and strong rebounders.

Okay, I just saw the foul for the first time. I can understand why the crowd booed him initially, but once they saw the replay that should have stopped. It seemed pretty clear to me that there was no intention to hurt him. It looked to me that Marbury anticipated and Nash was going to come up with the ball, but he really didn't. That left Marbury coming down hard across Nash's neck and the back of his head.

It's pretty obvious that Marbury desperately wants the fans and even the NBA media to like him. I think he catches far too much criticism.

Joe Mama

 

[fordronken]

This is a quote that keeps being taken out of context. What happened was a reporter went up to Steph and basically baited him into saying it, asking him if he believed if he was the best point guard in the league. It's not like he was pulling a Roy Jones Jr, and spouting off unsolicited.

Yeah, but it was still a stupid thing to say. He's not a young player gunning for respect, and he's certainly been in the league long enough to know and handle what comes from the media. Read all of Nash's quotes whenever people are trying to heap praise on him. The last thing you'd hear is Steve Nash him talking himself up.

 

[Chaplin]

Apples and oranges. They should be more polite and forgiving to Steph because of what he did for the team, which clearly distinguishes him from other hard fouling NBA stars, which we have no attachment to at all.

Apples and oranges? For what Steph did for the team? Randy Johnson ONLY got Arizona their only major professional sports championship, you know.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Yeah, but it was still a stupid thing to say. He's not a young player gunning for respect, and he's certainly been in the league long enough to know and handle what comes from the media. Read all of Nash's quotes whenever people are trying to heap praise on him. The last thing you'd hear is Steve Nash him talking himself up.

Apples to oranges again. Criticizing Steph for being Steph is kinda silly, seeing all the good things the guy does. He is the polar opposite of Steve Nash, a polite, soft spoken Canadian. Steph grew up on Coney Island, playing street ball. Have you ever watched streetballers? Do you think any of them would ever say that they aren't the best at what they do?

I choose to judge Steph based on his actions. I see the fact that he hosts a camp at his place every year for underprivlidged kids, I hear that when Jerry Colangelo was in the hospital in New York, Steph actively found him and made sure he had a gift basket for him, a man that he could have held a grudge against, and I've met Steph, and he was one of the nicest athletes I've ever met. The media likes simple reasons and simple answers for complex problems....the Knicks win, Steph's a hero, they lose, everything he says and does is wrong, no matter what the reasons are for the team being bad. I feel badly for Steph for the reasons Joe mentioned, he really wants to be liked, and tries to make an effort, but he was there too early with the T-wolves, too early with the Nets, and too early with the Suns....they say timing is everything.....

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Apples and oranges? For what Steph did for the team? Randy Johnson ONLY got Arizona their only major professional sports championship, you know.

What did Steph do for the team? Pretty much single-handedly take the Suns to the playoffs that year. I can't believe you don't recognize the contributions that Steph made to the team. I agree, the trade looks good now, but that doesn't take away for what the man did, and how he went about doing it. If you lived in Arizona, you would understand there are a large contingent of fans that are pretty bitter about how Randy handled his getting out of town. His mercenary style got him out of Seattle, and ultimately Arizona. Marbury wanted to be in Arizona, and wanted to win here; Randy wants to win, no matter where or who with. Personally, it left a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Apples to oranges again. Criticizing Steph for being Steph is kinda silly, seeing all the good things the guy does. He is the polar opposite of Steve Nash, a polite, soft spoken Canadian. Steph grew up on Coney Island, playing street ball. Have you ever watched streetballers? Do you think any of them would ever say that they aren't the best at what they do?

I choose to judge Steph based on his actions. I see the fact that he hosts a camp at his place every year for underprivlidged kids, I hear that when Jerry Colangelo was in the hospital in New York, Steph actively found him and made sure he had a gift basket for him, a man that he could have held a grudge against, and I've met Steph, and he was one of the nicest athletes I've ever met. The media likes simple reasons and simple answers for complex problems....the Knicks win, Steph's a hero, they lose, everything he says and does is wrong, no matter what the reasons are for the team being bad. I feel badly for Steph for the reasons Joe mentioned, he really wants to be liked, and tries to make an effort, but he was there too early with the T-wolves, too early with the Nets, and too early with the Suns....they say timing is everything.....

Great post.

I really didn't think the foul was that bad. It was pretty clear to me that Steph held Nash up the entire time.


Of course, I did turn to my friend and say I saw our season ending right before my eyes....

 

[Chaplin]

What did Steph do for the team? Pretty much single-handedly take the Suns to the playoffs that year. I can't believe you don't recognize the contributions that Steph made to the team. I agree, the trade looks good now, but that doesn't take away for what the man did, and how he went about doing it. If you lived in Arizona, you would understand there are a large contingent of fans that are pretty bitter about how Randy handled his getting out of town. His mercenary style got him out of Seattle, and ultimately Arizona. Marbury wanted to be in Arizona, and wanted to win here; Randy wants to win, no matter where or who with. Personally, it left a bad taste in my mouth.

Did you read my post? Did I say anywhere that I don't "recognize" his contributions?? I simply pointed out that saying that Steph did more for the Suns than Randy Johnson for the Dbacks is ridiculous. Stop throwing out accusations without provocation. I don't care how much of a jerk Randy Johnson is now... NO RANDY JOHNSON = NO 2001 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIP

I'm sorry, I loved Marbury when he was here, but he didn't even come CLOSE to providing anything resembling a championship. That's just the plain truth, and in essence, Randy's presence at the BOB was much more relevant to Arizona sports than Marbury's couple seasons with the Suns.

 

[fordronken]

Apples to oranges again. Criticizing Steph for being Steph is kinda silly, seeing all the good things the guy does. He is the polar opposite of Steve Nash, a polite, soft spoken Canadian. Steph grew up on Coney Island, playing street ball. Have you ever watched streetballers? Do you think any of them would ever say that they aren't the best at what they do?

Just because he grew up as a street baller doesn't mean he shouldn't have known better than to say that. He's been in this league a long time. Look, I liked Stephon Marbury in Phoenix and I still like him. But I really hate the "you can't criticize him for being himself" argument. I know some people who are undeniably themselves, and are a-holes. But because it's their personality you aren't allowed to criticize them for it? Stephon Marbury is seemingly a very nice guy in the NBA, but nice people still say stupid things and should nonetheless be held accountable for them, regardless of whatever else they've done.

...he was there too early with the T-wolves, too early with the Nets, and too early with the Suns....they say timing is everything.....

I agree about the Nets. That was mostly an injury issue with the entire team and Steph got blamed for it. But he wrote his own ticket out of Minnesota. As for Phoenix, they a had a good run one season, but it wasn't a style of basketball that would have worked long term, and in fact, didn't work the next season even before Amare got hurt. To say he was too early in Phoenix makes no sense to me. Even if by some unfathomable miracle they had dumped Penny's contract, kept Marbury and signed just Q and Hunter, this team would be struggling to make the playoffs right now. It takes a very specific type of team to work around Stephon Marbury at an elite level(much like Allen Iverson). Again, I really like Stephon, but I don't think he works very well as a #2 player, and I don't think a team built around Stephon Marbury will ever win a championship. Heck, there are very few players who can be built around for championships, which, by the way, is what the Suns organization is trying to do. Marbury wasn't early in Phoenix, he was the wrong guy for the job.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Did you read my post? Did I say anywhere that I don't "recognize" his contributions?? I simply pointed out that saying that Steph did more for the Suns than Randy Johnson for the Dbacks is ridiculous. Stop throwing out accusations without provocation. I don't care how much of a jerk Randy Johnson is now... NO RANDY JOHNSON = NO 2001 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIP

I'm sorry, I loved Marbury when he was here, but he didn't even come CLOSE to providing anything resembling a championship. That's just the plain truth, and in essence, Randy's presence at the BOB was much more relevant to Arizona sports than Marbury's couple seasons with the Suns.

Ugh, Chap, you feeling a little stressed? So easily offended.....If we are going to go nuts over miniscule details, where did I ever state directly, or even intimate that Steph did more than Randy for the valley? I don't know where you get that, from what I've said, that is bordering on making it up.

Stop throwing out accusations without provocation? Show me where I do this....

Again, your penchant for stating the obvious is strong here, where did I ever say that Randy wasn't an intregal part of the D-Backs winning the World series? Where do you come up with this stuff?

Again, I thought it was pretty clear what I was trying to say, but apparently you haven't grasped it. So I will say it again. I liked Steph when he was here, and appreciate what he did when he was here. That year he took us to the playoffs was a hell of a year, and he single handedly won many games for us. I would not throw Steph under the bus out of respect for the effort and heart he showed when he was with the team, and the class that he has shown off the court. (sans the DUI incident)

Randy was a magnificent athlete and gave a face to the d-backs for many years. yes, he was the largest part of a championship, but I've never argued that. I don't appreciate how he forced his way out of town, showing no loyalty to the team that got him a ring.

Ergo, I like Steph better than Randy, despite their compared influence on the victories of my teams, because I appreciate the way that Steph handled his leave from the valley much better than Randy.

Do we understand now?