Marion embraces bigger role, earns inclusion in MVP debate

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The Arizona Republic
Jan. 6, 2006 12:00 AM


Like oxygen, peanut butter and indoor plumbing, a certain member of the Suns is often taken for granted.

In national circles, his name may as well be Shhhhawn Marion.

Yet nearing the halfway point of a new season, the versatile forward is suddenly making a lot of noise. He's the best player on a winning team, and these days, the usually ignored Marion is starting to show up on another kind of list: the one reserved for NBA MVP candidates.

"I think you can definitely make a case," Suns coach Mike D'Antoni said. "I don't know where we'd be without him, and we're pretty good. Shawn is already with two other legitimate MVP candidates when (Amaré Stoudemire) is playing, and you can make the case that what he does is more important than what the other guys do."

In his seventh year, Marion is certainly giving the Suns another All-Star season. He still runs faster, jumps higher and defends better than most everyone in the league. And he'll play all night if you ask him, and D'Antoni usually does.

"I live in Phoenix, so I get to see him play a lot," TNT analyst Doug Collins said. "I love guys with great energy, and Shawn just works himself into good games every night."

Yet there is also something different about Marion. He's scowling a little more. He's playing with an aggressive fury normally associated with the injured Stoudemire. And just the other day, with his team exceeding all expectations, Marion ripped into some unnamed teammates, the ones who don't want to run the court with reckless abandon.

It was the absolute truth and a nifty show of leadership. The kind of stuff normally reserved for team leaders and MVP candidates.

"I ain't even thinking about that, man," Marion said. "You can't control what people think of you, and most (MVP candidates) are forced on people. You know me. I'm just doing what I do, playing ball, having fun, doing whatever I can to help the team win."

Still, there are other noticeable differences, and Marion is clearly taking advantage of a bittersweet opportunity.

With Joe Johnson and Quentin Richardson traded, many more shots are available. For the first time in a while, the Suns are actually running plays for Marion. And with Stoudemire rehabilitating from knee surgery, the role of leading man is wide open.

Surely it is but a temporary part, and only a matter of time before Marion heads back to the trailer for best supporting actors. But for now, he is making an unprecedented splash.

Marion leads the Suns in scoring (20.6 points per game). He is one of only five players to average more than 20 points and 10 rebounds a game. His rebounding average (11.9) and his field goal percentage (.516) are career highs.

One statistical analysis on NBA.com listed Marion as the most effective player in the NBA, ahead of LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Elton Brand and Allen Iverson. And best of all, he picked a great time for a blow-up game.

When Marion scored a career-high 39 points Monday, playing 60 of 63 possible minutes, he did so in New York, on the floor of Madison Square Garden, and if you can make it there . . .

"He is the Matrix," Stoudemire said. "Any lob you throw to him, he's going to throw it down. He's blocking shots. He's defending. He's scoring the ball. I don't think you can ask for too much more from Shawn."

Thing is, D'Antoni always does. And here in 2005-06, in a dicey time for the entire organization, Marion has been a rock of stability. His 23 double-doubles - accomplished when a player has 10 or more in two statistical categories in a game - rank second in the NBA. His recent string of performances was done on the other side of the country, where the West Coast bias breeds and players from the Pacific Division usually attract a scoff.

"If I'm guilty of it, then I know everyone else who watches him part time is guilty of it," D'Antoni said. "I'll get upset with him during a game, and then I'll look at the statistics. I'll wonder what I was thinking about, and I'll feel like an idiot because he's already doing so many things.

"I'm telling you, the guy is amazing. He allows us to be little, he allows us to run. Shawn usually guards guys that can't guard him, and that creates instant mismatches. So sometimes, you feel like a hypocrite because you're asking him to do so much more. But you can mess up (coaching) Shawn and it's OK because he's such a good person."

And in a season in which there are no clear-cut MVP candidates - Kobe Bryant? Chauncey Billups? Dirk Nowitzki? Steve Nash? - it is nice to see the forgotten Sun finally getting his due.
 

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Wow, great article...I wish the the rest of the country would wake up and notice him...I hope it happens.

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Shawn has almost the same stats he had the last year.
He was one of the most underrated players and is now getting the consideration he deserves.


With Joe Johnson and Quentin Richardson traded, many more shots are available.
Shawn scores only one point more than the last year. So "many more shot" available may be a bit too much.
 
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I think if Marion can change his "weird" shooting... people may like him more. lol

But in fact, I think it was Marin's weird shooting that caught my attention in the first place. I was like "How did he get into NBA with that shooting technique?!!" lol

Great article for Marion!
 

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mathbzh said:
Shawn has almost the same stats he had the last year.
He was one of the most underrated players and is now getting the consideration he deserves.



Shawn scores only one point more than the last year. So "many more shot" available may be a bit too much.
Mmmm, I don't know if Marion is that underrated though. He may be underrated among NBA fans but Marion is certainly popular in the league or else he won't even be selected as an All-star last season and he has a high chance to make it this year as well. I think he IS getting the recognition he deserves. If anything, I think Elton Brand is probably the MOST underrated player in the league. lol Well, looks like he is getting some this year (finally).
 

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I was watching the Cavs/ rockets game last night and Barkley said, in response to fan voting, that if Marion and Elton Brand did not make the all star team, it was a joke, and he wasn't going to the game.
 

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jibikao said:
Mmmm, I don't know if Marion is that underrated though. He may be underrated among NBA fans but Marion is certainly popular in the league or else he won't even be selected as an All-star last season and he has a high chance to make it this year as well. I think he IS getting the recognition he deserves. If anything, I think Elton Brand is probably the MOST underrated player in the league. lol Well, looks like he is getting some this year (finally).
Elton Brand has been labeled as the leader for the MVP by most of the media since early in the year, so he is hardly underrated. Brands problem is that he is a power forward in a conference with Duncan, Amare and KG, that is why he has not gotten recognized in the past, because he was the 4th best PF in the west. Both Duncan and KG are much better defenders than Elton, and Amare is ... AMARE!. As a SF, shawns competition is not as strong, but, shawn is a better all around player than Elton. Being an all around player does not get much recognition, unless the team wins and even then the glamour is in scoring. This year Elton is scoring alot AND the team is winning, hence the recognition. High scoring players on bad teams are very difficult to rate because bad teams are not defended with as much intensity(its ALWAYS garbage time). This year Elton has risen to the challenge against good D.
 

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nowagimp said:
Elton Brand has been labeled as the leader for the MVP by most of the media since early in the year, so he is hardly underrated. Brands problem is that he is a power forward in a conference with Duncan, Amare and KG, that is why he has not gotten recognized in the past, because he was the 4th best PF in the west. Both Duncan and KG are much better defenders than Elton, and Amare is ... AMARE!. As a SF, shawns competition is not as strong, but, shawn is a better all around player than Elton. Being an all around player does not get much recognition, unless the team wins and even then the glamour is in scoring. This year Elton is scoring alot AND the team is winning, hence the recognition. High scoring players on bad teams are very difficult to rate because bad teams are not defended with as much intensity(its ALWAYS garbage time). This year Elton has risen to the challenge against good D.

Oh..I know Elton has gotten recognition this year..I am talking about "before". I thought he played well before this season.

Anyway, it's good to hear that Barkley thinks both Elton and Marion deserve to be on the all-star team.

So, if both of them are "forwards", that don't leave too much room for others.

KG
Dirk
Marion
Elton
Duncan

Can all of them be on the all-star?
 

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jibikao said:
Oh..I know Elton has gotten recognition this year..I am talking about "before". I thought he played well before this season.

Anyway, it's good to hear that Barkley thinks both Elton and Marion deserve to be on the all-star team.

So, if both of them are "forwards", that don't leave too much room for others.

KG
Dirk
Marion
Elton
Duncan

Can all of them be on the all-star?


Why not?

KG starts with Marion backing him up.
Duncan starts with Dirk and Brand backing him up.

That leaves Nash, Kobe and Yao and 4 more spots--3 likely for guards and 1 more for a center/big man.
 

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Chaplin said:
Why not?

KG starts with Marion backing him up.
Duncan starts with Dirk and Brand backing him up.

That leaves Nash, Kobe and Yao and 4 more spots--3 likely for guards and 1 more for a center/big man.

Cool!
 

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jibikao said:
Oh..I know Elton has gotten recognition this year..I am talking about "before". I thought he played well before this season.

Anyway, it's good to hear that Barkley thinks both Elton and Marion deserve to be on the all-star team.

So, if both of them are "forwards", that don't leave too much room for others.

KG
Dirk
Marion
Elton
Duncan

Can all of them be on the all-star?

First, Elton didnt get the credit before this season because the clips were always in "garbage time", so his stats lacked credibility, now that the clips are winning, opposing defenses are more intense and he has proved his skills.

Two, Of these guys only Marion and Dirk are small forwards, the rest are PF's. Of the PF's, probably only KG can guard a quick SF. Duncan can also play center, he is probably the best player in the west at that position. Yao shouldnt even be on the team, its a joke. I would play Duncan at C, KG and Elton at PF, Marion and Dirk at SF. KG could also shift to C and play alongside Elton at PF when Duncan is out.
 

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Yao shouldnt even be on the team, its a joke.

I agree 100%, he isn't an all star caliber player (yet). But since he has a billion people in China voting for him and tons of media hype, he'll always make the game.
 

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First, Elton didnt get the credit before this season because the clips were always in "garbage time", so his stats lacked credibility, now that the clips are winning, opposing defenses are more intense and he has proved his skills.

Two, Of these guys only Marion and Dirk are small forwards, the rest are PF's. Of the PF's, probably only KG can guard a quick SF. Duncan can also play center, he is probably the best player in the west at that position. Yao shouldnt even be on the team, its a joke. I would play Duncan at C, KG and Elton at PF, Marion and Dirk at SF. KG could also shift to C and play alongside Elton at PF when Duncan is out.

I guess I agree with you. "midocre players" seem to be like all-star on a weak team.

I guess my point is Marion IS getting the recognition. I don't think he is as underrated as he says he is.
 

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jibikao said:
I guess I agree with you. "midocre players" seem to be like all-star on a weak team.

I guess my point is Marion IS getting the recognition. I don't think he is as underrated as he says he is.

I think that you are right, with respect to the NBA coaches and players, but not the fans. We know 90% of the fans vote for their own players. The coaches and players realize marions skills, alright. But even suns fans on this board lament Marions inability to go one-on-one in "crunch time". This is just the fans' "MJ complex". Fans think every all-star should be a "go to" guy. Marion influences games in many ways and the coaches and players know it, for sure. I remember some national commentator recently saying that marion was the "fastest player in the NBA" on the break, pretty much "undefendable on the break". I think he feels unappreciated by the fans, that is all. Its not suprising, as he plays above their ability to comprehend his impact on the game. Heck, even Nash was under rated before his MVP season, and many fans thought it was "fake" award, that he didnt deserve it. This is the scoring bias in the NBA, or as I call it the "MJ complex". If MJ didnt have Pippen to defend the toughest opponent, there would have been NO championships for the bulls.
 
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