Matt Leinart - rookie

[Russ Smith]

OK I'll agree with that. Johnson COULD have made that grab. Yes. But my point is that I don't think it was as easy of a catch as it may have appeared.

All I'm saying is that Matt Leinart 2009 will not make the mistakes he made today, and if we had Leinart 2009 instead of Leinart Rookie, we would have won today despite Big, BJ, the poor non-calls, and everything else.

Leinart 2007 won't make that mistake, hell 2006 by th eend of the year he won't likely make that mistake.

Not disagreeing with you my point is with a rookei you know you're going to get mistakes like that, but you need other players to make plays BJ didn't and neither did Big.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Leinart 2007 won't make that mistake, hell 2006 by th eend of the year he won't likely make that mistake.

Not disagreeing with you my point is with a rookei you know you're going to get mistakes like that, but you need other players to make plays BJ didn't and neither did Big.

I would have to think if Fitz was in there that he'd have made the play just because of his size alone.

 

[Ed Burmila]

Leinart 2007 won't make that mistake, hell 2006 by th eend of the year he won't likely make that mistake.

Not disagreeing with you my point is with a rookei you know you're going to get mistakes like that, but you need other players to make plays BJ didn't and neither did Big.

Agree. Whenever you lose, there's plenty of blame to go around. Leinart, the O-Line, and Johnson will all be re-playing some plays in their minds this evening.

I just hope there's nothing "wrong" with Rackers. 3 misses already this year. He was so automatic last season, and kicking is 75% mental. I hope his confidence isn't shaken.

 

[conraddobler]

Matt Leinart is special, he's going to be great, for us or someone else if we suck long enough but he's the real deal.

He made some mistakes but as a rookie he played about as well as you could possibly hope for, especially on this team.

This season is done, just train the guy.

 

[Renz]

I will.

If you re-watch it, I think you'll see that the KC guy did get hands in his face. Which makes it a little harder to watch the ball into your hands.

So a WR in his 4th season shouldn't be expected to make a TD catch with a hand in his face?

 

[Russ Smith]

It was a bad play by Leinart.But, to me the two plays that cost us the game were the BJ drop and the Cards inablity to get a first down on 2nd and 1 late in the 3rd. They could have run another 3-4 minutes off the clock. If the Cards make those 2 plays then Leinart is never throwing that out to Boldin.

Another big one is Shipp missing the block on the blocked punt, that's what started the comeback

 

[slanidrac16]

Another big one is Shipp missing the block on the blocked punt, that's what started the comeback

That IS the biggest blunder of the game, which seems to have gotten lost in this whole thing.

If I had to give Leinart a grade with 100 being perfect , he would have scored a 97. If everybody else played as well as him , we would have won this game 30- 16.

 

[Russ Smith]

That IS the biggest blunder of the game, which seems to have gotten lost in this whole thing.

If I had to give Leinart a grade with 100 being perfect , he would have scored a 97. If everybody else played as well as him , we would have won this game 30- 16.

At halftime Kuhlmann said that in the pregame show he mentioned that there was an issue with our punt blocking that he feared KC would exploit, they got one and came close on 3 others. On the one they got, the key according to Hank was they knew we were going to angle the kick away from Hall so when Scott stepped sideways to do it, the guy coming to block it guessed which way he'd go and guessed right.

So if an ex Card coach knew before the game about this flaw in our punt blocking one wonders why our coaches didn't?

 

[conraddobler]

At halftime Kuhlmann said that in the pregame show he mentioned that there was an issue with our punt blocking that he feared KC would exploit, they got one and came close on 3 others. On the one they got, the key according to Hank was they knew we were going to angle the kick away from Hall so when Scott stepped sideways to do it, the guy coming to block it guessed which way he'd go and guessed right.

So if an ex Card coach knew before the game about this flaw in our punt blocking one wonders why our coaches didn't?

Well we seem to lead the league in this type of coaching, as in poor.

It'd be refreshing to see us come out on the positive side of the coaching ledger and when you get outcoached by a Herm Edwards staff you've got problems IMO.

 

[dogpoo32]

Well we seem to lead the league in this type of coaching, as in poor.

It'd be refreshing to see us come out on the positive side of the coaching ledger and when you get outcoached by a Herm Edwards staff you've got problems IMO.

I have to agree. The coaches today were not prepared for anything. It is one thing to have to coach out of your comfort zone, but another to not know how to play with the lead. It's like we had plays scripted for being behind by 14 rather than up by 14. We were not outplayed, we were out smarted. Face it. No one on the Cards' side is very bright. Starts with coaching. Plays were made by players... Tackles were missed by players... Strategies were made by Coaches. We had enough positive plays to win this.

 

[conraddobler]

I have to agree. The coaches today were not prepared for anything. It is one thing to have to coach out of your comfort zone, but another to not know how to play with the lead. It's like we had plays scripted for being behind by 14 rather than up by 14. We were not outplayed, we were out smarted. Face it. No one on the Cards' side is very bright. Starts with coaching. Plays were made by players... Tackles were missed by players... Strategies were made by Coaches. We had enough positive plays to win this.

Pendy is the only one I give any credit to as far as adjustments, not that I'm totally impressed with him, just that I see him actually adjust to things but that shouldn't stick out like it does, it's not as if he's awesome at it, average to good IMO is all.

I really think that those that advocate DG staying are selling out any hopes of ever winning a Super Bowl.

Every team deep in the playoffs is talented, if you are going to win it all a mediocre field general aint getting it done, I know it sucks to change out coaches and I know there is no guarantee the next guy will have what it takes, all I know is, is that DG does not IMO have what it takes to advance in the playoffs and after what I saw out of Matt today, we really need to get that kind of coach, or try our best, asap.

 

[CardLogic]

I have to agree. The coaches today were not prepared for anything. It is one thing to have to coach out of your comfort zone, but another to not know how to play with the lead. It's like we had plays scripted for being behind by 14 rather than up by 14. We were not outplayed, we were out smarted. Face it. No one on the Cards' side is very bright. Starts with coaching. Plays were made by players... Tackles were missed by players... Strategies were made by Coaches. We had enough positive plays to win this.

Three pages and finally dogpoo gets it right.

Here is the sequence that lost the game for the Cardinals:

Arizona Cardinals at 00:02 (end of third quarter)
1-10-ARI20 02) E.James up the middle to ARZ 29 for 9 yards (G.Wesley).
Fourth Quarter Arizona Cardinals continued...
2-1-ARI29 (15:00) E.James right tackle to ARZ 29 for no gain (J.Page, T.Hali).
3-1-ARI29 (14:21) E.James left tackle to ARZ 29 for no gain (J.Reed, K.Mitchell).
4-1-ARI29 (13:47) S.Player punts 37 yards to KC 34, impetus ends at KC 36, Center-N.Hodel, out of bounds.

As soon as the Cardinals lined up for the punt I told my son the Chief score here and the Cardinals will lose. Cardinals were still up by 10 but the previous series on offense showed the coaching staff was "playing to not lose."

Kansas City Chiefs at 13:39
1-10-KC34 (13:39) L.Johnson up the middle to KC 38 for 4 yards (D.Dockett).
2-6-KC38 (12:58) D.Huard pass deep middle to E.Kennison to ARZ 45 for 17 yards (R.Griffith).
1-10-ARI45 (12:21) L.Johnson up the middle to ARZ 43 for 2 yards (C.Okeafor).
2-8-ARI43 (11:46) D.Huard pass short right to R.Cruz pushed ob at ARZ 32 for 11 yards (A.Rolle).
1-10-ARI32 (11:26) D.Huard pass short right to S.Parker to ARZ 18 for 14 yards (A.Rolle).
1-10-ARI18 (10:46) D.Huard sacked at ARZ 20 for -2 yards (C.Cooper).
PENALTY on ARZ-G.Hayes, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at ARZ 18 - No Play.
1-10-ARI13 (10:19) L.Johnson left tackle to ARZ 15 for -2 yards (C.Okeafor).
2-12-ARI15 (9:42) D.Huard pass incomplete short right to S.Parker. PENALTY on ARZ-R.Tate, Defensive Pass Interference, 14 yards, enforced at ARZ 15 - No Play. Play Challenged by KC and REVERSED. D.Huard pass short right to S.Parker for 15 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Penalty on ARZ-R.Tate, Defensive Pass Interference, declined. L.Tynes extra point is GOOD, Center-K.Gammon, Holder-D.Colquitt.

KC 17 ARI 20, Plays: 7 Yards: 66 Possession: 4:04.



Cardinal started the 4th quarter up by 10 and the coaching staff was playing "not to lose" instead of playing to win!

The above exchange changed the momentum of the game and the Cardinals never got it back... Game over!!!

Put this loss on the coaching staff. The players played well enough to win.

 

[AZ Shocker]

That's exactly it CardLogic! Was thinking the same damn thing up in Sec. 436. Momentum change. Playing NOT too lose (prevent offense). Game over. Nice work Green.

One things I think the coaches here in Arizona never appreciate. I don't think they (AZ coaches) realize that every team in the NFL sees the Cards as a winnable game. No matter how the game is going. You have to put the pedal down man! You have to be up three scores to break their backs. Hell even then...most NFL teams will think they still have a chance in the 4th quarter down three scores.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I agree. I think the biggest problem were the 2 penalties that were at crucial times. "Big" with yet ANOTHE false start (he pisses me off) that made it 1st and 15 I think,and the other one by the D...both and crucial times of the game.
Matt looke really good for a rookie....he looked WAY better than Vince Young that's for sure

Do you know they missed a false start call on Big early in the game?

He makes way to many penalties.

 

[PJ1]

Another big one is Shipp missing the block on the blocked punt, that's what started the comeback

Huge play. No excuse for this at all. Really turned things around for the Chiefs.

 

[mjb21aztd]

I agree Leinart did look pretty darn good today that td pass he threw to boldin was amazing and so was the pass to fitz but no matter what if you can only rush for 60 yards odds are yoiur going to lose almost every game

 

[Jay Cardinal]

At halftime Kuhlmann said that in the pregame show he mentioned that there was an issue with our punt blocking that he feared KC would exploit, they got one and came close on 3 others. On the one they got, the key according to Hank was they knew we were going to angle the kick away from Hall so when Scott stepped sideways to do it, the guy coming to block it guessed which way he'd go and guessed right.

So if an ex Card coach knew before the game about this flaw in our punt blocking one wonders why our coaches didn't?

By the end of the game I was just hoping we got the punt off or that KC decided not to rush the punter. I hope they work on this in practice this week.

 

[seesred]

Maybe we lose this game in the 4th quarter we have the ball 2nd and 1....We end up punting. How about the non call holding when LJ went all the way. 63,000 fans saw it but nobody on the field with a stripe shirt. Yes the ball to BJ right to him and he catches it with his body??????? Lienart made mistakes but for his first start, man do we have something to look foward too.

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