He got hurt there when his shot came you don't know that. Timing and support is everything. Kurt who I love as a player was booed off the filed a few times in Arizona. He to needed support and the right timing to not look back. He got it twice IMO Matt never did.
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He got hurt there when his shot came you don't know that. Timing and support is everything. Kurt who I love as a player was booed off the filed a few times in Arizona. He to needed support and the right timing to not look back. He got it twice IMO Matt never did.
I saw.. The real deal he wasnt...
Ok that's fair but can you really say with what we all saw with the three stooges that was the right call over a show me year with Matt?
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I dunno. Why don't you ask Josh Gordon, Darryl Washington, and Johnny Manziel.
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For the record, Leinart had opportunities in Houston, Oakland, and Buffalo and failed in all 3 cities.
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Leinart has nobody to blame but himself but Harry is also right. A lot of how a high draft pick performs has to do with the situation he's drafted into.
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Is this thread about Lienart not getting a chance because he got beat out by a HALL OF FAME QB WHO TOOK US TO THE SUPERBOWL!
I dunno. I think I might go with the hall of famer myself.
I dunno. I think I might go with the hall of famer myself.
I don't think anyone is second guessing the decision to go with KW over ML.
The debate is/was cutting ML in favor of DA, MH, and JS. That was a stupid and nonsensical decision, and it had vendetta written all over it.
Is ML a puss with a noodle arm? Very probable. Was he better than the THREE other QBs we kept? Absolutely.
Wiz had an issue with ML as he was stepping of the plane to take this job. Very hard to argue that wasn't the case.
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I don't know if cocaine was ever involved, but from people I know who were close to Leinart, w/r/t his days at USC and in the Scottsdale night life, he was definitely one of the biggest partiers, and his dedication to game preparation and development were always a big question mark. Matt had ample opportunities and resources from which to grow and develop and never did. That's on Leinart; not Whiz, Denny, Graves, or whomever you want to pin the blame on.
It's also worth noting that I was Team Leinart for years, but once I started hearing things about him and watching his meltdown in 2010, I quickly jumped off the bandwagon.
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A QB DRAFTED 12 YEARS AGO IS STILL WORTHY OF THREAD DISCUSSION. His most recent contribution to society was a self depricating ad for a last place television provider. Jesus.
A QB DRAFTED 12 YEARS AGO IS STILL WORTHY OF THREAD DISCUSSION. His most recent contribution to society was a self depricating ad for a last place television provider. Jesus.
Spot on.
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After Leinart lost the job in preseason, he became a locker room cancer and basically forced his way off the team.
Maybe Whiz had an issue, but how much of that was because his QB was immature and unfit to lead a team. At least for a while, Jay Cutler was good enough to put up with some of his childish antics, but Leinart was not.
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He came into the Tenn game with NO reps with the first team, Warner insisted on everything right up until he admitted he couldn't go the day before the game (no slur on Warner here, he was just TOO competitive at times). I watched that game, Leinart's first in a long, long time and was impressed.
He was channeling Warner. One play he had a lineman coming in untouched in his quarter view (remember THAT sucky o-line ?) and he waited and waited and just before he got blasted (and he got CREAMED), like fraction of a second before and he clearly saw it coming, he threw a 30 yd pass for a completion. I thought, holy crap, he has been studying Warner's play. This was NOT the Leinart we had before.
We lost that game because the defense totally collapsed, not because of Leinart, he played great in that game.
As far as 'played poorly in the following preseason' I watched that also. He started, they had ALL 1st team defense out there and they BLITZED for 6 straight plays. (With our punt in between).
6 straight, Leinart never lost us a yard, or fumbled, or even got sacked. He did have to chuck the ball away a few times, he did get one pass completed, out to the side, to the line of scrimmage where the receiver was immediately downed.
What struck me was how incredibly pathetic the O-line was playing (and RB's supposed to be blocking, one RB got vaulted by the blitzing LB or Safety and Leinart was hi almost immediately (but he managed to chuck the ball away and not take the sack).
We did not have another QB on this team at the time that could have taken 6 straight Blitzes, most of them pouring through immediately with NO TIME for even a check down, that could have done that for 6 plays and not lost a yard.
His 2 series being up, Whiz threw in Anderson, the other D never blitzed again, not once. Anderson gains a few yards and the next day Whiz says he's going with the guy who produced some yardage. SAY WHAT ???? That was the end of Whiz for me, the total end.
Leinart was light years better than any other QB we had at the time. It's not even a question. Whiz strikes again.
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I was at that Tenn game and he did not look great IMO. He threw for 220 yards and no TDS.
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1. Whisenhunt's offense wasnt suited for Leinart. Whis and BA ran similar offensive schemes: pocket passing, deeper drops, etc. Denny ran a WCO offshoot.
2. Leinart was never the same post broken collarbone. I thought he played scared after that.
2. Leinart was never the same post broken collarbone. I thought he played scared after that.
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There was nothing alleged about them. They were hooked. I don’t think any of them got a 98 percentile on the Wonderlic. I can tell you QB & CB are confidence positions. You break them down and they rarely recover. QBs start second guessing themselves and they can’t make good quick decisions. It’s not reasonable IMO to assume someone who was so effective as a rookie, forgot how to perform. Just to tick most everyone off, I think they blew it with Plummer too.
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He played great as a rookie for D Green, rebounded after MNM - eve4 survived the coach change. I just think Whiz produced a poisonous situation not Leinart. As evidenced by after Leinart and Whiz hc for next team.
