Maurice Carthon hired as RB coach ..???

[lobo]

When the Cards past record is taken into account in hiring minorities, they have the best minority hiring rate in the league, then it isnt a big deal.

you bet...we have nothing to be ashamed of...as a matter of fact we have alot to be proud of in our efforts and results of keeping the playing field level as we should.

 

[Twist18]

I still figure Whipple will be our QB Coach.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I seems we have a 1/2 Steelers, 1/2 Parcell's offense brewing here in the desert.

 

[ajcardfan]

I can't believe what a staff Whiz is putting together. Carthon is a great hire. He had zero chance to be successful with that offensive personnell in Cleveland and was kind of made to be a scapegoat by the media.Right now we probably have, not probably DO, have the best staff on the offensive side of the ball in the NFL. You have to give the front office, along with Whiz, for getting these guys in here. Whiz was arguably the #1 HC candidate out there. Grimm was right there with him. We now have the top OL coach, a top RB coach,and Haley who was a among the best WR coaches. For Carthon to ascend to a coordinator role so quickly shows that he is a very good coach. If we get Shurmur in at QB coach it's just a bonus. Also, you don't have to worry about too many chiefs. Whiz looks like a guy that will let everyone know what their role is and make it clear that he is in charge.

Sorry, but I'm not buying all of that. I'm tired of being "paper champions". At least, I'd like to be a few wins over .500 before I start throwing around terms like "best in the NFL".

 

[artp]

Wasn't Carthon considered a hot HC prospect a couple of years ago after his Lions OC stint?

Carthon was a HC prospect a few yras ago. Parcells touted him as a good HC when his time was right. He didn't have much of a chance in Cleveland, but I think he is another great hire by Whiz. These assistant coaches are hard to predict. One yr they're on top, two yrs later they are fired.

Oh, and I think the new DB coach is african american.

 

[earthsci]

When the Cards past record is taken into account in hiring minorities, they have the best minority hiring rate in the league, then it isnt a big deal.

Bingo. I believe that the Cardinals were the first team in the NFL with a black "GM" (Vice President, Football Operations) and a black coach.

 

[kerouac9]

Maurice Carthon faced a mutiny among his players at mid-season in Cleveland this year. That's why his good friend Romeo Crennel had to fire him. I'm pretty sure that's not media scapegoating.

 

[lobo]

Wasn't Carthon considered a hot HC prospect a couple of years ago after his Lions OC stint?

most assuredly...he was a very hot hc candidate and is/was highly thought of by parcells over the years...this was a very fine hire for us...we really are putting a quality group on the sidelines...hurray for mgt and kw.

 

[lobo]

Sorry, but I'm not buying all of that. I'm tired of being "paper champions". At least, I'd like to be a few wins over .500 before I start throwing around terms like "best in the NFL".

who isn't.....but if you saw a staff made up of a group of guys who you REALLY didn't like it would just add to the list of disappoints and aggrevations we/you have...so let's at least celebrate something good and something we have at least some hope at looking forward to...i can rattle off a group of names that would make you jump into to the nearest river...but why do that??? ok here is one...how would you like john shoop as the OC???? if you don't know who he is ....check him out...he just got hired my NC as offensive coordinator...he is as creative as a the cavemen in the geico commercials.

 

[Renz]

Maurice Carthon faced a mutiny among his players at mid-season in Cleveland this year. That's why his good friend Romeo Crennel had to fire him. I'm pretty sure that's not media scapegoating.

With Carthon as OC in 2006, Cleveland averaged 14.6 PPG. In the 10 games after he "resigned", the Browns averaged 15.0 PPG.

Yep, sounds like Carthon was the problem.

 

[BigRedRage]

I don't know what kind of a coach Maurice Carthon is, but just being around Bill Parcells should be a plus. Also, is he the only minority coach, that the Cardinals have hired? I didn't see a picture of the DB coach, but I believe all the rest are white. And when you consider that the vast majority of the team is not white, then that's not a good thing. There must be some very good black coaches out there. JMO.

Most players are colorblind, this kind of thinking is just promoting racism. As I am sure whiz is, I also judge the hires by theyr resume and personality, who cares what color they are?

 

[ajcardfan]

who isn't.....but if you saw a staff made up of a group of guys who you REALLY didn't like it would just add to the list of disappoints and aggrevations we/you have...so let's at least celebrate something good and something we have at least some hope at looking forward to...i can rattle off a group of names that would make you jump into to the nearest river...but why do that??? ok here is one...how would you like john shoop as the OC???? if you don't know who he is ....check him out...he just got hired my NC as offensive coordinator...he is as creative as a the cavemen in the geico commercials.

Oh, I'm not disappointed. At all. I know these hire have been about as good as we could do. But, I'm not celebrating the assembly of yet another coaching staff. It's not good, it means we've been lousy.

 

[lobo]

Oh, I'm not disappointed. At all. I know these hire have been about as good as we could do. But, I'm not celebrating the assembly of yet another coaching staff. It's not good, it means we've been lousy.

i understand....i agree i am sort of tired of hearing "hear we go again" but maybe (i hope) the only guys we lose next year are guys who are getting promoted to other teams because they did such a good job for us!!! that's a win/win...it appears as though the assistants and coords. are like bedoins relocating year after year looking for a job....under the circumstances as they were the front office did a good job..so far...of assembling sideline talent...what else can we ask for as we wait for next year!!!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Maurice Carthon faced a mutiny among his players at mid-season in Cleveland this year. That's why his good friend Romeo Crennel had to fire him. I'm pretty sure that's not media scapegoating.

Carthon didn't face a mutiny among his players. The "soldier" went to the media and complained about not getting the ball enough. He's the only player i knew that outright complained about him. Edwards wanted the ball more also but how often are you going to throw it with Charlie Frye back there?

 

[cardsfanmd]

I will be excited when I see the results on Sundays...

you and me both

 

[Zeno]

I saw this online, hadn't seen the Anderson thing reported anywhere....

Haley talks about T.O.

"Former Cowboys passing game coordinator and wide receivers coach Todd Haley, who became the offensive coordinator with the Arizona Cardinals this week, said he didn't have a problem working with controversial wide receiver Terrell Owens.

Haley and Owens had an argument during a meeting in October after the coach berated the player for being late to practice. Owens said then the relationship could not be repaired.

"I enjoyed my time with Terrell," said Haley, who was at Valley Ranch on Friday. "He's a good player, and he showed it in his production. We had our one little spat; other than that, I had no problem, and I would hope he would say the same."

Haley, who said he was not surprised by Bill Parcells' retirement, interviewed for the head coaching job this week with Cowboys owner Jerry Jones and said he was sad to leave the organization.

Haley will be reunited on the Arizona staff with former Cowboys running back Richie Anderson (tight ends coach) and former Cowboys assistant coach Maurice Carthon (running backs)."

 

[kerouac9]

Carthon didn't face a mutiny among his players. The "soldier" went to the media and complained about not getting the ball enough. He's the only player i knew that outright complained about him. Edwards wanted the ball more also but how often are you going to throw it with Charlie Frye back there?

I know that the soldier did it, but the silence from the rest of the team was deafening, as well. I actually am only reading back what I read multiple times on PFW's Whispers column on ESPN.com. I read that it wasn't only KW2 that was having a problem. It included the kid from Michigan and I think the QB, as well. They were complaining that the game plans were far too conservative.

You're closer to the issue than I am, obviously, but Carthon and Crennel are really good friends, and the pressure was on to let him go. It seems likely that Crennel had to let Carthon go in part to keep his job.

 

[Stout]

Yeah, how dare he call a conservative game plan when he had such stellar offensive personnel I mean, Frye is all-world and Edwards is a Pro-Bowler. Oh, and that offensive line has held together so well.

This is a good hire. And no, the eye roll was non-poster specific

 

[Zeno]

Carthon obviously won't be calling plays with the Cardinals so no big deal. I am sure he'll have some input in the offense but he is pretty far down the pecking order behind Whisenhunt and Haley.

I'm more interested as to whether he can toughen up Arrington or if he will get along with James and maybe convince him to attend some offseason workouts.

 

[Duckjake]

I hope we don't forget that our current offensive roster has been put together within more of a "greatest show on turf" framework.

I just don't see that on the Cardinals roster. The speed is just not there.

It's like the defense that was supposed to be smaller and faster and instead was just smaller. (At least until Gabe "ballerina" Watson came in.)

I think the Cards roster is better suited to what the new coaches are familiar with, but then giving the franchise credit for being smart enough to see that...well I don't know.

 

[JeffGollin]

Carthon obviously won't be calling plays with the Cardinals so no big deal. I'm more interested as to whether he can toughen up Arrington or if he will get along with James and maybe convince him to attend some offseason workouts.

I think this is the real point.

There are plenty of examples of great position coaches who weren't cut out to be coordinators or head coaches. If Carthon is good at getting the most out of his RB's (which, incidently may involve blitz protection, ball protection and lead blocking in addition to waiting for and cutting off blocks, lowering the pads, keeping your head up, not dancing in the hole etc.) he'll be just what we need as RB coach.

Final point - I haven't followed the Browns that closely, but my perception is that they had a wholesale purge of assistant coaches right after they allowed their entire D-line to escape to Denver. My point - Maybe it was the Browns' organization (including Crennell) more than it was the assistants

 

[CardLogic]

I saw this online, hadn't seen the Anderson thing reported anywhere....

Haley will be reunited on the Arizona staff with former Cowboys running back Richie Anderson (tight ends coach) and former Cowboys assistant coach Maurice Carthon (running backs)."

From the Cardinals official website:

Cardinals Hire Two More Assistants

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Tempe, AZ – The Arizona Cardinals Football Club today announced the hiring of RICHIE ANDERSON as tight ends coach and MAURICE CARTHON as running backs coach.

"I have great respect for each of these coaches and from working with them in the past, I know they will bring a lot to our staff," said Cardinals head coach Ken Whisenhunt.

Anderson comes to the Cardinals after spending the 2006 season as the assistant wide receivers/tight ends coach for the New York Jets. A veteran of 13 seasons in the NFL as a fullback with the New York Jets (1993-2002) and Dallas Cowboys (2003-05), Anderson began his coaching career last season with the Jets. A native of Silver Spring, MD, Anderson played in 161 games (82 starts) with 318 carries for 1,274 yards and four touchdowns while also catching 400 passes for 3,149 yards and 14 touchdowns during in his NFL career. A 2000 Pro Bowl selection with New York, Anderson holds the Jets team record for most receptions by a running back with 305.

Carthon spent the last two seasons as the offensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns and has 14 total years of experience as an NFL assistant and eight as an NFL player. His coaching career began as an offensive assistant under Bill Parcells with New England in 1994 where he coached through 1996 helping with the running backs and on special teams. He then coached running backs with the New York Jets (1997-2000) before joining the Detroit Lions staff, first as running backs coach (2000) and then offensive coordinator (2001). Carthon then moved to Dallas as offensive coordinator/running backs (2003-04) before accepting the position of offensive coordinator with Cleveland in 2005. The Chicago, IL, native began his NFL playing career with the New York Giants as a fullback in 1985 and played seven seasons in New York (1985-1991) before finishing his career in Indianapolis (1992). A three-time Super Bowl winner (two as a player, one as a coach), Carthon never missed a game due to injury in his career collecting 950 rushing yards and two touchdowns in 300 attempts while grabbing 90 passes for 745 yards and two touchdowns.

Today’s hirings bring the number of assistants on Whisenhunt’s coaching staff to nine. Anderson and Carthon join offensive coordinator Todd Haley, defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast, assistant head coach/offensive line Russ Grimm, defensive backs coach Teryl Austin, linebackers coach Billy Davis, strength and conditioning coach John Lott, and special teams coach Kevin Spencer.

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[Cbus cardsfan]

I know that the soldier did it, but the silence from the rest of the team was deafening, as well. I actually am only reading back what I read multiple times on PFW's Whispers column on ESPN.com. I read that it wasn't only KW2 that was having a problem. It included the kid from Michigan and I think the QB, as well. They were complaining that the game plans were far too conservative.

You're closer to the issue than I am, obviously, but Carthon and Crennel are really good friends, and the pressure was on to let him go. It seems likely that Crennel had to let Carthon go in part to keep his job.

It was basically Edwards and Winslow. It's telling that both Carthon and Davidson were allowed to leave.THe offensive line was in such shambles that it was impossible for anything to get done. I think they went through about 5-6 centers like the Cards did last year. Edwards has been in and out of trouble with Crennell all year. Carthon was one of Crennel's first hires and i agree that he was forced to let him go to save his job. I think this will be Crennel's last year there. And, if it is, there will be all kinds of money thrown at Jim Tressel to take over. I wouldn't even be surprised to see them make another run at Tressel after the recruiting season is over.

 

[Mulli]

Who were the QB's Carthon had to work with in Cleveland?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Who were the QB's Carthon had to work with in Cleveland?

Charlie Frye, Derek Anderson, and Trent Dilfer . I think Navarre could start on that team.