Mavs get Dampier

[thegrahamcrackr]

According to ESPN News (Ric Bucher), the deal just happened.

Mavs get Damp, Eschmeyer, Dickau

GS gets Najera, 2 firsts, and Laetner.




No word on the contract, don't feel like figuring it out right now.

 

[Cheesebeef]

According to ESPN News (Ric Bucher), the deal just happened.

Mavs get Damp, Eschmeyer, Dickau

GS gets Najera, 2 firsts, and Laetner.




No word on the contract, don't feel like figuring it out right now.

I find it hard to believe we couldn't pony up that trash. The Mavs are gonna be tough - I don't care what anyone says - Nash is a very good player - but the HEART AND SOUL of that team is still Dirk and with a young #5 pick and at PG - this club is gonna be scary now I think - maybe not this year - but they will be better than us - but next year - this might be the team to beat.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Well, Laetner is an expiring contract (we dont have one his size).

We can't trade any future firsts....

Najera is a bruiser who makes under 4 million a year. A great price for someone that can come off the bench and cause problems for the other team.



So yah, we couldn't pony up what they offered.

 

[coloradosun]

60 days

I thought that Laettner could not be traded again until Aug 24, 60 days from when he was acquired by Dallas.

 

[Chaz]

They held out this whole time and that is all they got for Dampier?

 

[sunsfn]

I thought that Laettner could not be traded again until Aug 24, 60 days from when he was acquired by Dallas.

They could wait until then to make it official........

 

[hafey2]

i think we can all agree once and for all the suns never had interest in Dampier

 

[Joe Mama]

i think we can all agree once and for all the suns never had interest in Dampier

I agree that their interest in Dampier was little, but this trade does nothing to prove it. It was actually a good move for both teams. Golden State gets rid of two people they didn't want (Eschmeyer and Dickau), and they get cash, an expiring contract, first-round draft picks, and a reasonably paid quality bench player in return. Dallas obviously doesn't care about the money while they get the tough center they wanted. It works out for everybody except the teams that will be competing with Dallas for a playoff spot this season.

It looks like the Phoenix Suns actually will have the softest frontcourt in the NBA next year.

Joe Mama

 

[elindholm]

It looks like the Phoenix Suns actually will have the softest frontcourt in the NBA next year.

That's a relief. How else would we recognize them?

 

[elindholm]

So let me get this straight. The Warriors now have the following players at C and/or PF:

Foyle
Dale Davis
Laettner
Murphy
Najera
Biedrins
Clifford Robinson (yeah, technically a SF, but it's not like he'll get any time there)

Is that right?

I can't imagine what they're going to do with all of those players. Several of them (Davis, Robinson, Laettner) have expiring contracts, so they might be moved on to other teams at the deadline, but in the meantime, what kind of roster do they field? And only Biedrins is a candidate for the IR (unless someone else is actually hurt, of course). Who's going to ride the pine as the 12th man? Laettner? Robinson?

It sure doesn't look promising from a chemistry standpoint.

 

[AmareFan]

Thank you Mavs...we did not need an overpaid, untalented center...thanks Cuban.

 

[binkar]

I don't think this was such a bad deal for Golden State. They got 2 future first round picks and a great role player for Dampier, which is not horrible by any means in my opinion and to call that "trash" is a joke.

Also, I still think we could be just as good as the Mavs if not better. We are still a young team with players who are improving every year and have aquired the perfect player to compliment them in Nash. I also think we have the potential with all our athletic ability to be a good defensive team. So to say the Mavs will be better then us is not for sure. It's a possibility but I think it is just as good a possibility that we can be a better team.

 

[Joe Mama]

I don't think this was such a bad deal for Golden State. They got 2 future first round picks and a great role player for Dampier, which is not horrible by any means in my opinion and to call that "trash" is a joke.

They also received what is likely $3 million in cash. To top it off for Golden State they were able to dump Eschmeyer who is doing nothing and has two years, $6.5 million left on his contract and Dan Dickau who will make $900,000 next season.

Also, I still think we could be just as good as the Mavs if not better. We are still a young team with players who are improving every year and have aquired the perfect player to compliment them in Nash. I also think we have the potential with all our athletic ability to be a good defensive team. So to say the Mavs will be better then us is not for sure. It's a possibility but I think it is just as good a possibility that we can be a better team.

Sure the Phoenix Suns could be as good as the Mavericks. I mean anything is possible, but IMO this move puts them back in the top four or five teams in the Western Conference. Unless the Suns do something to toughen up the middle of their frontcourt they will be scrapping it out for one of the last playoff spots.

As it stands now I'll be shocked if the Suns aren't one of the five worst defensive teams in the NBA next year. On paper it sure looks like they've actually weakened defensively.

Joe Mama

 

[slinslin]

The Suns have more talent on their team than either the Kings or Lakers so we should fight for the 3rd seed actually.

 

[NJYAJ09]

The Suns have more talent on their team than either the Kings or Lakers so we should fight for the 3rd seed actually.

Not that high.

6th seed for the suns.

 

[Joe Mama]

The Suns have more talent on their team than either the Kings or Lakers so we should fight for the 3rd seed actually.

Homerism at its finest.

Joe Mama

 

[newfan101]

They also received what is likely $3 million in cash. To top it off for Golden State they were able to dump Eschmeyer who is doing nothing and has two years, $6.5 million left on his contract and Dan Dickau who will make $900,000 next season.


Joe Mama

I agree. I actually think this is a very good trade for Golden State. They get a very good role player in Najera at a very reasonable salary, get rid of two useless players (one with a bad contract), and get two 1sts. Plus, since Najera's contract essentially is worth the same as Eschmeyer and Dickau, they keep themselves in the same position under the cap for next year.

Now if they could just undo the Foyle signing.

 

[Renz]

Tuesday, August 17, 2004

ESPN.com news services

OAKLAND, Calif. -- Erick Dampier's odyssey will apparently wind up not in the Big Apple but in Big D.

The Dallas Mavericks have agreed in principle to a trade that would send forwards Eduardo Najera and Christian Laettner, two future first-round picks and cash to the Golden State Warriors, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher on Tuesday.

In exchange, the Mavs would acquire Dampier, center Evan Eschmeyer and guard Dan Dickau from Golden State.

The deal, however, cannot be consummated until later this summer because NBA rules stipulate that no player may be dealt twice within a two-month period. Both Laettner and Dickau were traded earlier this summer.

Calls to Dampier's cell phone were not immediately returned Tuesday night and his agent, Dan Fegan, also didn't immediately respond to a message left by the Associated Press.

The trade also is contingent on Dampier reaching agreement with the Mavericks, an NBA source told the AP.

Dampier opted out of his contract with the Warriors in late June and became a free agent. The 6-foot-11 veteran, who spent the past seven seasons with Golden State, met with the New York Knicks and several other teams in recent weeks.

He apparently will also forgo a six-year, $50 million offer from the Atlanta Hawks.

Dampier, drafted 10th overall by Indiana in 1996, hoped to join the New York Knicks as part of a sign-and-trade deal, but the Warriors refused to take on salary to accommodate their former starting center's wishes.

He was also wooed by Jermaine O'Neal, who would have liked to have had the 6-foot-11, 270-pound Dampier do the dirty work inside for the Pacers, who were overwhelmed by Detroit's frontcourt in their Eastern Conference finals loss in this year's NBA playoffs.

Dampier ranked fourth in the league in rebounding and seventh with 42 double-doubles.

The 30-year-old Dampier is coming off the most productive season in his eight-year career. He averaged a double-double with 12.3 points and 12.0 rebounds while also blocking 1.85 shots in 32.5 minutes per game.

The Warriors have made many changes this offseason since finishing 37-45 and missing the playoffs for the 10th straight year.

Chris Mullin became the Warriors' new executive vice president of basketball operations. He fired coach Eric Musselman and replaced him with former Stanford coach Mike Montgomery. Mullin also hired Rod Higgins as general manager.

 

[slinslin]

Homerism at its finest.

Joe Mama

Give me a break. How do the Kings have the same talent?

C - Kings Miller, Ostertag > Voshkul, Lampe etc
PF - Amare, Lampe > Webber Songaila
SF - Marion, Johnson, Zarko > Peja...
SG - Johnson, Richardson, Jacobsen, Barbosa > Christie, Martin, Minard
PG - Nash, Barbosa, Eisley > or = Bibby, Jackson only if Jackson is healthy and that is a big if otherwise the Suns have clearly an advantage here as well.

The Kings have no depth.

 

[playstation]

slinslin-

i wonder if the USOC did one of those 'greater than-less than' charts you just made before they selected their team. Im guessing they would have had a lot of 'greater-thans'.

for those among us thinking clearly:

Minnesota - KG, Cassell, Sprewell, Hudson, et al.
San Antonio - Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Bowen, et al.
Sacramento - Bibby, Peja (for now), Webb, Miller, et al.
Denver - Melo, Miller, Martin, Camby, et al.
Memphis - Gasol, JWill, Posey, Swift, et al.
Utah - Kirilenko, Arroyo, Boozer, Okur, et al.
Houston - Yao, Tmac, Howard, Sura, et al.
Lakers - Bryant, Odom, Divac, Butler, et al.
Dallas - Nowitzki, Finley, Stackhouse, Dampier, et al.

TWO of these team's has to miss the playoffs for the Suns to get in. It's not impossible, but for a very young team (for the most part), its not going to be easy. I think a .500 season is about right for expectations.

Phoenix - Marion, Stoudemire, Nash, Johnson, et al.

 

[slinslin]

Well Stoudemire, Marion, Nash, Johnson is clearly better big 4 than Memphis, Dallas, San Antonio, Lakers, Jazz , Rockets can offer.

The only comparable is Minnesota because of KG and if Cassell can repeat his career year, Denver and Sacramento only if they can get chemistry back and Webber is healthy. That's almost out of the realm of possibility though.

 

[playstation]

once again, i would also have thought that a team of duncan, iverson, marion, wade, james, anthony, stoudemire, etc. would also be the best among the teams listed above. as we've seen, apparently youth and inexperience actually do matter when it comes to basketball. once the season starts, i'll do my best to point that out to you.

 

[Freddie]

Well Stoudemire, Marion, Nash, Johnson is clearly better big 4 than Memphis, Dallas, San Antonio, Lakers, Jazz , Rockets can offer.

The only comparable is Minnesota because of KG and if Cassell can repeat his career year, Denver and Sacramento only if they can get chemistry back and Webber is healthy. That's almost out of the realm of possibility though.

I don't think so. We don't even have a go-to-guy.

 

[Freddie]

Well Stoudemire, Marion, Nash, Johnson is clearly better big 4 than Memphis, Dallas, San Antonio, Lakers, Jazz , Rockets can offer.

The only comparable is Minnesota because of KG and if Cassell can repeat his career year, Denver and Sacramento only if they can get chemistry back and Webber is healthy. That's almost out of the realm of possibility though.

Dallas--Nowitski, Finley, Dampier and Daniels are better than our four.
Lakers--Kobe, Odom, Divac and Malone(if he returns) are better than our big four.
San Antonio--Duncan, Duncan, Duncan, Duncan. He is far and away better than any player we have.
Minnesota--KG, KG, KG--see above.

Sorry, but we are not nearly as good as everyone is making us out to be. We'll be exciting and we'll be competitive, but we don't have the defense or the clutch player to be a contender yet. The go-to-guy by committee does not work in the NBA. See Mavericks, Dallas.

 

[elindholm]

Well Stoudemire, Marion, Nash, Johnson is clearly better big 4 than Memphis, Dallas, San Antonio, Lakers, Jazz , Rockets can offer.

This is true only if you severely overrate Stoudemire and Johnson.