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May. 17, 2005 12:00 AM

DALLAS - Mavericks coach Avery Johnson and his top assistant Del Harris took a day off Monday while their players watched game film, then had a shootaround-like workout at American Airlines Center.

Perhaps the Dallas brain trust feels confident that the way the Mavericks beat the Suns in Game 4 - let Steve Nash score all he wants but keep his teammates out of the offense - is the way to go for the rest of what has become a best-of-three series, and that no more major strategizing is needed.

Several Dallas players said Monday that they think the Mavericks are on to something good.



"We found a solution that worked for us," center Erick Dampier said. "We're going to stay with it and see what happens in Game 5."

The Mavericks chose not to provide defensive help on Nash when he drove to the basket or to an open spot for a jump shot, opting instead to stick with their men and clog Nash's passing lanes.

Although Nash scored a career-best 48 points, he had just five assists to go with nine turnovers - and Dallas won by 10 points.

"I don't expect Nash to try and get 48 again," Mavericks swingman Jerry Stackhouse said. "We made him take shots, and he said to himself that if they're going to allow me to do this, then I'm going to take advantage of it. But we know that's not the best way for them to play, so we've just got to keep trying to force him to make plays."

While Nash's passes may be the focus of the Mavericks defense, keeping Dampier involved in the offense also will be key to their success when the series resumes with Game 5 on Wednesday at America West Arena.

The Mavericks are 2-0 when Dampier avoids early foul trouble and contributes more than 10 points and 10 rebounds.

The 7-footer scored just four points combined in the two losses, including zero in Game 1. That performance prompted teammate Dirk Nowitzki to challenge Dampier in the media.

Nowitzki said he and Dampier "are over" their feud, but he reapplied some pressure Monday.

"He's got to find a way to stay out of foul trouble early," Nowitzki said. " . . . He has to be a presence for us."

Stackhouse, who teamed with other Dallas reserves to outscore the Phoenix bench 36-3 in Game 4, disagreed and said the Mavericks can survive if Dampier gets saddled with early fouls.

"I don't think it's life or death," Stackhouse said. "We like to have our biggest player and our quote, unquote, enforcer on the floor, but we've shown we've had success with other (smaller) lineups."

Dampier got into foul trouble Sunday night, but not until the second half when the Mavericks held a 16-point lead.

He finished with 13 points, 11 rebounds and four blocks.

"There's no pressure at all," Dampier said. "I know I'm capable of going out and achieving these numbers on a consistent basis. It's just a matter of finding a way to get myself involved."


http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0517mavs0517.html
 

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I wonder if Dallas really thinks that the secret of their success was limiting Phoenix to 109 points on 51% shooting. If they do, that's good news for the Suns.
 

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elindholm said:
I wonder if Dallas really thinks that the secret of their success was limiting Phoenix to 109 points on 51% shooting. If they do, that's good news for the Suns.

No, they think it was scoring 119 on 55% shooting
 

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No, they think it was scoring 119 on 55% shooting

Right, of course. So why all the fuss about the Suns' offense "standing around"? They lost the game on the other end of the floor. The article makes it sound like the Mavericks credit their "defensive adjustment" for the victory.
 

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I thought the secret to their sucess was Avery Johnson whining to the media so that the refs treated the Mavs like they were the Detroit Pistons on defense and didn't call fouls until the Mavs had a 16+ pt lead.
 

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I thought the secret to their sucess was Avery Johnson whining to the media so that the refs treated the Mavs like they were the Detroit Pistons on defense and didn't call fouls until the Mavs had a 16+ pt lead.

He didn't say a thing to the media. Show me one quote?

As for adjustments, and figuring things out. If you can honestly say that the "let Steve score" strategy didn't have an affect on the outcome of the game then I don't know what game you are watching. Regardless of the FG%'s of either team, we had three 20 point scores and great contributions off the bench. The Suns didn't know what to do when the Mavs didn't sag off the three point line to help in the lane. And Steve shooting 21/28 did help that %'s a little, as long as Amare goes 3/8 then I can live w/ Nash scoring 48.
 

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greensborohill said:
He didn't say a thing to the media. Show me one quote?

As for adjustments, and figuring things out. If you can honestly say that the "let Steve score" strategy didn't have an affect on the outcome of the game then I don't know what game you are watching. Regardless of the FG%'s of either team, we had three 20 point scores and great contributions off the bench. The Suns didn't know what to do when the Mavs didn't sag off the three point line to help in the lane. And Steve shooting 21/28 did help that %'s a little, as long as Amare goes 3/8 then I can live w/ Nash scoring 48.

I can honestly say the "let Nash score" didn't work as well as you think in Game 4. Nash shot 71% on 20/28!!!! That's just as efficient as Nash/Amare doing their combo pick&roll.

If anything, our guys slacked off big time on the defensive end. If you watched the game, you'll see how Josh Howard owned us on the defensive board. That's not part of the "Let Nash score" gameplan, that's our lack of effort to BOX OUT. And it doesn't help that Q/Barbosa are missing open shots here and there... Q couldn't even hit FT for god's sake.

I am sure Mavs will use the same strategy but the brillant Nash will figure out a way to combat Mavs. :)
 

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greensborohill said:
He didn't say a thing to the media. Show me one quote?


MAVERICKS HEAD COACH AVERY JOHNSON:
This was a very disappointing loss. To come back home after we got the split in Phoenix and play the way we played, especially in the second half, is very disappointing. We didn’t shoot the three very well, but the most disappointing thing was we didn’t attempt a free throw in the fourth quarter. Take your hats off to the Suns. All of their starters played 41 minutes or more and they all looked like they could play some more. We need to learn how to fight fatigue a little bit more. We didn’t fight adversity tonight and we will get back to the drawing board and make some adjustments and be ready to play on Sunday.

(On settling for jumpshots)
We shot some jumpshots, but I thought we took the ball to the basket very strong. For some reason, we just never made it to the free throw line.

(On Nowitzki)
I think you saw a lot of the time they were triple-teaming him. I thought he took the ball to the basket really strong. The amount of free throws he took was really not indicative of how strong he took the ball to the basket. The real sad part about this, and the thing with me is no excuses, but the fact is that Dirk is a MVP caliber player and he is one of the least respected MVP caliber players that I have ever been associated with. When you talk about Shaq, Tim Duncan, Tracy McGrady, Steve Nash, but if you look at the type of year he had, it was as good as anybody. He takes the ball strong to the basket, he plays the game, plays defense, he does it all but he is the least respected.
 

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greensborohill said:
He didn't say a thing to the media. Show me one quote?

You apparently missed his Game 2 postgame interview and/or did not read any of the articles following Game 2.

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MAVERICKS HEAD COACH AVERY JOHNSON:
This was a very disappointing loss. To come back home after we got the split in Phoenix and play the way we played, especially in the second half, is very disappointing. We didn’t shoot the three very well, but the most disappointing thing was we didn’t attempt a free throw in the fourth quarter. Take your hats off to the Suns. All of their starters played 41 minutes or more and they all looked like they could play some more. We need to learn how to fight fatigue a little bit more. We didn’t fight adversity tonight and we will get back to the drawing board and make some adjustments and be ready to play on Sunday.

(On settling for jumpshots)
We shot some jumpshots, but I thought we took the ball to the basket very strong. For some reason, we just never made it to the free throw line.

(On Nowitzki)
I think you saw a lot of the time they were triple-teaming him. I thought he took the ball to the basket really strong. The amount of free throws he took was really not indicative of how strong he took the ball to the basket. The real sad part about this, and the thing with me is no excuses, but the fact is that Dirk is a MVP caliber player and he is one of the least respected MVP caliber players that I have ever been associated with. When you talk about Shaq, Tim Duncan, Tracy McGrady, Steve Nash, but if you look at the type of year he had, it was as good as anybody. He takes the ball strong to the basket, he plays the game, plays defense, he does it all but he is the least respected.

I bet AJ wasn't watching the Rocket game then. Dirk got TONS of star-treatment in that series.

Just ask the Rox fans. They will tell you how much they hate Dirk's floping and how many times Dirk got to the line. :) lol

Dirk's floping is no use against the Suns 'cause WE DON'T foul him. Dirk even flopped against Barbosa/Q on several ocassion. Dude, they are 5-6 inches shorter than you, just DUNK the freaking ball over them instead of flopping like the short guys hit you.
 

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WaywardFan said:
MAVERICKS HEAD COACH AVERY JOHNSON:
This was a very disappointing loss. To come back home after we got the split in Phoenix and play the way we played, especially in the second half, is very disappointing. We didn’t shoot the three very well, but the most disappointing thing was we didn’t attempt a free throw in the fourth quarter. Take your hats off to the Suns. All of their starters played 41 minutes or more and they all looked like they could play some more. We need to learn how to fight fatigue a little bit more. We didn’t fight adversity tonight and we will get back to the drawing board and make some adjustments and be ready to play on Sunday.

(On settling for jumpshots)
We shot some jumpshots, but I thought we took the ball to the basket very strong. For some reason, we just never made it to the free throw line.

(On Nowitzki)
I think you saw a lot of the time they were triple-teaming him. I thought he took the ball to the basket really strong. The amount of free throws he took was really not indicative of how strong he took the ball to the basket. The real sad part about this, and the thing with me is no excuses, but the fact is that Dirk is a MVP caliber player and he is one of the least respected MVP caliber players that I have ever been associated with. When you talk about Shaq, Tim Duncan, Tracy McGrady, Steve Nash, but if you look at the type of year he had, it was as good as anybody. He takes the ball strong to the basket, he plays the game, plays defense, he does it all but he is the least respected.

Yeah, I make it a point not to get online and read news papers after losses. I didn't even know that Dirk called out Damp until the start of game 2!! Sorry about that, it's just playoff jocking I guess. . .

Alright guys, a few posts a day is enough. Even as diplomatic as we can be, we'll start butting heads eventually. Good luck tomorrow (but not too much), and I won't be back if we lose, and promise not to rub stuff in if we win. . .
 
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WaywardFan said:
MAVERICKS HEAD COACH AVERY JOHNSON:
This was a very disappointing loss. To come back home after we got the split in Phoenix and play the way we played, especially in the second half, is very disappointing. We didn’t shoot the three very well, but the most disappointing thing was we didn’t attempt a free throw in the fourth quarter. Take your hats off to the Suns. All of their starters played 41 minutes or more and they all looked like they could play some more. We need to learn how to fight fatigue a little bit more. We didn’t fight adversity tonight and we will get back to the drawing board and make some adjustments and be ready to play on Sunday.

(On settling for jumpshots)
We shot some jumpshots, but I thought we took the ball to the basket very strong. For some reason, we just never made it to the free throw line.

(On Nowitzki)
I think you saw a lot of the time they were triple-teaming him. I thought he took the ball to the basket really strong. The amount of free throws he took was really not indicative of how strong he took the ball to the basket. The real sad part about this, and the thing with me is no excuses, but the fact is that Dirk is a MVP caliber player and he is one of the least respected MVP caliber players that I have ever been associated with. When you talk about Shaq, Tim Duncan, Tracy McGrady, Steve Nash, but if you look at the type of year he had, it was as good as anybody. He takes the ball strong to the basket, he plays the game, plays defense, he does it all but he is the least respected.

Oh, the media...

It really has pissed me off that pretty much every time in every playoff series this year, when a coach complains, his team gets calls for at least the first half of the next game.

For Suns-Mavs, game four was actually called very well in the fourth quarter, just not so well in the first three. However, as is usually pointed out by somebody, the aggressive team gets the calls. They were aggressive and we weren't. The Suns did a lot of complaining and standing around.
 

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I won't blame on the refs for Game 4 and I hope none of the Suns fans are doing that. We have way more class than that.

It was on Mavs' home court and I never expect we would get better treatment there.

Besides, the refs helped us by giving Mavs 5 straight fouls to force Dampier to sit down. That's already a favor if you ask me.
 

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Welcome to the board, greensborohill.

I don't think the officiating had anything to do with Game 4. Maybe it would have been a little more interesting if the Mavericks hadn't gotten calls early on, but big deal. That was the Suns' worst defensive effort in months and they deserved to get blown out. The Mavericks are a good offensive team and they will put a lot of points on the board if their opponents don't work hard.

I must say, however, that it's a little strange for you to assert that Avery Johnson "didn't say a thing to the media," when you then admit that you don't make any attempt to be informed on such matters.
 

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It really has pissed me off that pretty much every time in every playoff series this year, when a coach complains, his team gets calls for at least the first half of the next game.

Don't you think that's because the coach then instructs his players to begin the next game more aggressively?
 

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Don't you think that's because the coach then instructs his players to begin the next game more aggressively?

If "instructing" your players to be more aggressive works, then we should fire D'Antoni right now, because obviously he forgot to mention it for half of this series.
 

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Who doesn't want their players to be more aggressive...

It's really up to the players. If that's the case, Pop should be fired for the kind of performance Spurs brought in Game 4 against the Sonics. Sonics didn't have their 2nd all-star and the 6th man and still won the game convincingly. Now, THAT WOULD HURT!

Now Spurs had to give their 100% to protect their home court. They could have closed the series out tonight.
 

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If "instructing" your players to be more aggressive works, then we should fire D'Antoni right now, because obviously he forgot to mention it for half of this series.

Come on. NBA players are usually playing differently from how they know they should. They dribble too much on offense, stand around without the ball, reach with their hands on defense instead of moving their feet, fail to box out, get passive, or whatever. Some players are better than others at self-discipline and some coaches are better than others at keeping their players to task, but general laziness finds its way in more often than not. If coaches should automatically be fired for that, then they should be fired all the time. (Hmm, which they are, come to think of it.)

It's very easy for me to believe that, after a coach goes on a media rant about officiating, when he then tells his players to be more aggressive, that instruction has greater impact and resonance than it would under ordinary circumstances. In a perfect world, players wouldn't need such artificial sources of inspiration (including the inspiration to, you know, do what the coach says), but we all know that they do.
 

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Come on. NBA players are usually playing differently from how they know they should. They dribble too much on offense, stand around without the ball, reach with their hands on defense instead of moving their feet, fail to box out, get passive, or whatever. Some players are better than others at self-discipline and some coaches are better than others at keeping their players to task, but general laziness finds its way in more often than not. If coaches should automatically be fired for that, then they should be fired all the time. (Hmm, which they are, come to think of it.)

It's very easy for me to believe that, after a coach goes on a media rant about officiating, when he then tells his players to be more aggressive, that instruction has greater impact and resonance than it would under ordinary circumstances. In a perfect world, players wouldn't need such artificial sources of inspiration (including the inspiration to, you know, do what the coach says), but we all know that they do.

Okay, but wouldn't it be more accurate to say that coaches always tell their players to come out aggressively, but that the players are much more prone to listen after a loss?
 

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Okay, but wouldn't it be more accurate to say that coaches always tell their players to come out aggressively, but that the players are much more prone to listen after a loss?

I wouldn't know. It's possible that some coaches, to avoid confusing their players (heh), stress only a couple of "key points" before each game, and that aggression isn't always necessarily one of them.
 

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elindholm said:
I wouldn't know. It's possible that some coaches, to avoid confusing their players (heh), stress only a couple of "key points" before each game, and that aggression isn't always necessarily one of them.

If the coaches don't tell them, then why does every player's post game reaction have the words "aggression" and "intensity" at least 416 times?

But you're right. I'm not sure all coaches say it. Different teams are different, but if the Mavs came out more aggressive in game 4 because Avery Johnson told them to, then there's something wrong here.
 

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Different teams are different, but if the Mavs came out more aggressive in game 4 because Avery Johnson told them to, then there's something wrong here.

I sure hope the Suns come out more aggressive in Game 5 because D'Antoni tells them to, but I take your point. I think.
 

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I sure hope the Suns come out more aggressive in Game 5 because D'Antoni tells them to, but I take your point. I think.

Let's just at least pretend to agree, because I can't think of anymore points to make.
 

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He didn't say a thing to the media. Show me one quote?

As for adjustments, and figuring things out. If you can honestly say that the "let Steve score" strategy didn't have an affect on the outcome of the game then I don't know what game you are watching. Regardless of the FG%'s of either team, we had three 20 point scores and great contributions off the bench. The Suns didn't know what to do when the Mavs didn't sag off the three point line to help in the lane. And Steve shooting 21/28 did help that %'s a little, as long as Amare goes 3/8 then I can live w/ Nash scoring 48.

you do realize that nash hit at 70% clip, right? and that he didn't recognize that he was being left open until the second half, right (note the 35 pts in second half compared to 13 in first)? if he's aggressive from the get go tomorrow and the mavs continue to allow him to walk to the basket the suns won't be down 16 points b/c you'll be allowing steve to shoot 70% again. when that happens avery (the newest whiniest bitch in the league) will have to make adjustments, which in turn, will either free up amare or the shooters. and if you really think that amare will shoot 3/8 again, regardless of what you throw at him, you're one dumb troll.
 

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Without Reading all these posts, I would like to say is They didnt find a solution to beating suns.. You can either have Nash making a easy layup or Amare slamming it in your face. I think Marion , Quentin, and Jim Jackson need to try to Get more involved. Suns Key To Winning Game 5 is Defensive Rebounding. If they Rebound it sets up their fast breaks.
 

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