Maybe Horton's Tantrum paid off? Possible Rooney rule changes coming

[BillsCarnage]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nf...ooney-rule-revisions/?sct=hp_t2_a13&eref=sihp

 

[Jetstream Green]

It needs to be altered, but how I have no idea. But this is just like the world we live in, a guy throws a tantrum and Horton will probably get a statue of himself in the football Hall of Fame for it

 

[SECTION 11]

Whoa is that what he's bent about? That's weak

 

[BillsCarnage]

I've posted before that I thought it was unfortunate, but he was a Rooney Rule candidate. Going back to the Rams, look at the teams he interviewed with vs who they hired.

But, he's setup good for the Cleveland job in a few years.

 

[SECTION 11]

The fact that he was already employed by the people interviewing him kinda throws cold water on his act. Again I have no idea, I was almost completely out of the loop yesterday

 

[CardsFan88]

ESPN alluded to this Friday morning. I think it was Clayton.

Basically he was saying that the reason minority's didn't get the job was because everyone wanted an offensive coach. (an offensive coach they could hire at an appropriate time).

So it's a problem of minority candidates not being more numerous across the various coordinator positions.

Basically what I got from it is that they wanted to extend the Rooney rule to the coordinators and/or beyond. Through that you probably get more minorities spread throughout the ranks more evenly. Right now the minority options are mostly on defense.

Thus whatever flavor of the day is going on in the NFL head coach search trend...offense...defense...whatever, there will be sufficient candidates that don't have a strike against them, and more will get hired.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Good.

And because I state so doesn't make me racist. Cause support eliminating racism, which is ignorance at the highest level, IMO.

The Rooney Rule is stupid and needs to be changed. The teams blatantly manipulate it, to go around it.

If the coach is the guy, then the coach is the guy.

The stakes are too high for owners to be forced into positions.

Plus singling out people is not the best way to push equality, IMO.

Maybe offer special services, or interview training ? I am all for the concept, just not how they are going about it currently.

 

[slanidrac16]

Racism...What has this world come too?

Poor Ray Horton was passed over as a head coach. He gets released from his contract and has to settle for a 4 year 8M dollar deal.

I wish I could be unfairly treated like that.

If the Cardinals are guilty then so is every team that ever interviews ANY minority and doesn't hire them.

What's next. Do we need to examine the diversity of the players? Do we need to make sure there is a fair amount of LB's on each team to meet diversity standards ? How about we make manditory that 25% of all QB's must be a minority? And who know, it may be possible that the white male is in the minority of total players in the NFL?

What ever happened to the most qualified man for the job?

 

[OJanderson32]

But in the NFL being black you are NOT a minority 70% of the players

 

[football karma]

Here is what the article left unsaid: because Caldwell is with the Ravens-- a team that has played in each playoff weekend, teams couldn't interview him.

So-- they were placed in the position of waiting for one guy-- maybe for another two weeks if the Ravens make the SB, or picking from candidates who were available.

Arians said it in an interview the other day-- coordinators for teams that make the SB often get passed over for jobs due to timing.

 

[Dan H]

What nonsense.

Caldwell didn't get interviews because he's not that good of a coach. When he had Peyton Manning - shocker! - his teams were good. When Peyton got hurt, they stunk.

 

[JeffGollin]

We don't know what went down with Ray or what actually pissed him off.

What we do know is that (a) the Cardinals interviewed him twice (when they didn't have to) and (b) the Dennis Green and Rod Graves hirings reflect a certain absence of color-blindness on the part of the Cardinals.

At the beginning of this entire process, I cautioned against ham-handed treatment and felt a degree of diplomatic finesse would be needed if we wanted to keep Horton as DC.

It didn't even occur to me that a new HC might come in and not want to keep Ray on staff. (On hindsight, it's understandable why Coach Arians didn't want to keep him).

But I'm still not sold that we didn't screw up the treatment of Horton, but - based on what we know - do not think there was any kind of breach of Rooney. (Without knowing more about what actually went on behind the doors of Cardinal HQ, it's unfair to pass judgment either way).

 

[slanidrac16]

Here is what the article left unsaid: because Caldwell is with the Ravens-- a team that has played in each playoff weekend, teams couldn't interview him.

So-- they were placed in the position of waiting for one guy-- maybe for another two weeks if the Ravens make the SB, or picking from candidates who were available.

Arians said it in an interview the other day-- coordinators for teams that make the SB often get passed over for jobs due to timing.

Well the only soluton is that NOBODY can be interviewed or hired until after the Super Bowl.

 

[desertdawg]

I don't see Ray Horton anywhere in the article saying anything like this, or that would demonstrate his "tantrum" as being beneficial to some Rooney rule advancement. Horton was mad at the Cardinals, not the NFL. Horton was sticking around for the crown and bounced as soon as he didn't get it. If he wanted a HC job, he should have gotten Turner or some other big kahuna to come with him. Horton should be mad at himself, and it has nothing to do with race. More about him being a defensive coach, and him choosing Kirby as his solve all here in Arizona.

I think the Rooney rule helped out Horton more than anybody this year.

 

[TRW]

If only 1 minority candidate had been hired as GM or Head Coach would they be applauding the "Rooney Rule" as successful? 25%, 50%, 100%?

No, because as it is with almost all inequality causes the more concessions the offended party gets the more they demand. It is the nature of our political and social condition in the 21st century.

The problem stems from too many factors for one arbitrary "rule" to fix. There isn't enough legislation or laws to fix inequality. Mankind simply can't legislate its nature out of it. There will always be bigots, racists and mean peiple.

But, there has to be some effort to afford safety and equality to people who are descriminated against. It will always tork some segment off and will always fall short. The "tweaking" of the "Rooney Rule" will not solve the problem but it may help out the "cause" a bit.

What may be most effective may be anwering the question "How many minority OWNERS are there?". The answer to that question may lead one to the root of the main problem. They who have the gold rule don't they?

 

[THESMEL]

I like Lovie Smith and Crommell - I don't know why Smith never got more attention after 10-6? just time to rebuild the Bears defense was my guess? Again DD's blow ups at the end of the year on and off the field didn't help Horton's cause- I don't know what would have happened if horton was out of the pess box and on the sideline- But the fine hasn't detered DD- He has little rspect for himself or others.

Well my definition of respect, anyhow.

 

[Redheart]

Racism...What has this world come too?

Poor Ray Horton was passed over as a head coach. He gets released from his contract and has to settle for a 4 year 8M dollar deal.

I wish I could be unfairly treated like that.

If the Cardinals are guilty then so is every team that ever interviews ANY minority and doesn't hire them.

What's next. Do we need to examine the diversity of the players? Do we need to make sure there is a fair amount of LB's on each team to meet diversity standards ? How about we make manditory that 25% of all QB's must be a minority? And who know, it may be possible that the white male is in the minority of total players in the NFL?

What ever happened to the most qualified man for the job?

How come there are no WOMEN in the NFL? Really, not one GM or nothing?

We need a Hillary Clinton Rule.

Racism and Sexism.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I think it's more that he's pissed because he was hired to do a job (which he excelled at) and then as a reward got jerked around the bumbling lucky sperm club members that "run" this organization.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

I think it's more that he's pissed because he was hired to do a job (which he excelled at) and then as a reward got jerked around the bumbling lucky sperm club members that "run" this organization.

Yeah thats it.. Had nothing to do with the fact, that his wish list for assistant coaches looked like the Howdy Doody club.

 

[egomaniac247]

I believe there needs to be a rule that every NFL team has to give a white player a chance at making the RB or CB roster.

See how stupid that sounds?

Same with the coaching/rooney rule.

And like someone else said, if you're gonna start there, why not something for women?

 

[Superfuzz]

Jim Caldwell nearly went undefeated as a rookie coach in Indianapolis three years ago and he's one win away from returning to the Super Bowl as an assistant with Baltimore.

Yet Caldwell didn't get one interview for any of the eight coaching vacancies in the NFL this year.

"That's almost impossible for me to comprehend," John Wooten, chairman of the Fritz Pollard Alliance Foundation, told The Associated Press on Friday.

Uh, maybe because the next year without Peyton he flipped the script and almost went WINLESS. Shameful, lazy reporting by SI. Caldwell doesn't immediately warrant consideration for an HC position because he was outed as a figurehead last year when one variable was removed from his equation - Manning - and his team immediately became the worst in the league.

Caldwell not being interviewed is a horrible, horrible example to point to, no matter what your stance on the Rooney Rule is. The guy blew it, showed the whole world that Indy's coach his last few years there was really a guy named Peyton.

And for that matter, the picture caption is hilariously stupid too: "Despite leading a Ravens offense that has reached the AFC title game, Jim Caldwell did not get an interview for a head coaching job."

Really? How come Dirk Koetter didn't get any HC interviews (my guess is his Kraut-sounding last name!) or McDaniels? Do you think it might have something to do with factors other than race after all, SI?

I guess it's just too easy an example to rally around and scream "racism! racism!" and feel self-congratulatory about "championing civil rights" than to look at facts, i.e. that Caldwell blows chunks.

 

[Hollywood]

How come there are no WOMEN in the NFL? Really, not one GM or nothing?

We need a Hillary Clinton Rule.

Racism and Sexism.

Women cant even opperate a car much les a whole NFL team.