McCown not high on the Jets list

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The Chad Pennington Era with the Jets appears to be in its final days and the Jay Cutler Era could be two months from opening.

Even before they insulted Pennington with their offer to slice his pay this year from $9 million to $1 million, the Jets needed to find a new quarterback. They can't count on Pennington, not after two surgeries on his throwing shoulder less than one year apart.

Where do the Jets go from here?

"They have to do something dramatic," one GM said.

The most immediate problem for the Jets is they are picking fourth in a three-player draft. Here's how the top three likely will come off the board: USC RB Reggie Bush to Houston, USC QB Matt Leinart to New Orleans and Texas QB Vince Young to Tennessee.

Unless Leinart or Young slip to No. 4, or Mike Tannenbaum finds a way to move up to get one of them - neither scenario is likely - the Jets should take Cutler, the Vanderbilt QB who has been shooting up draft boards after a strong week of practice at the Senior Bowl last month, and sign a veteran to babysit him.

So, in order, here's our list of who is most likely to be the Jets' QB next season:


Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt: "Cutler has got a real strong arm and he's athletic," said one GM, who added that Cutler could turn out better than Young and Leinart.


Matt Schaub, Falcons: A third-round pick from Virginia, he's started two games in his two seasons in Atlanta. His start last season came against the Patriots - he threw for 298 yards with three TDs with no INTs in a 31-28 loss. If Atlanta would take a No. 2 for him, you make that trade. "He's big, real smart, has an above average arm," the GM said. "He's not a great athlete. He doesn't get rattled."

Matt Leinart, USC/Vince Young, Texas: It would be hard for Tannenbaum, in his first draft, to give up valuable picks to pull off a blockbuster deal to move up to get one of these guys. But it would be a great move if he did. The Saints are a virtual lock to take Leinart and get rid of Aaron Brooks.


Chris Simms, Bucs: The Jets could have had him for a No. 1 pick after Pennington was injured last season. Then Brian Griese was hurt and Simms took over. He's a restricted free agent and the Bucs will certainly tender him at a level requiring first- and third-round picks as compensation. He's got a big-time arm, excellent bloodlines and could handle New York, but it's tough to see Jon Gruden letting him go.


Patrick Ramsey, Redskins: He got beaten out twice by Mark Brunell, which tells you all you need to know about him. Joe Gibbs even drafted Jason Campbell in the first round last year to be Washington's QB of the future. Ramsey has ability and needs a change of scenery. But Gibbs isn't often wrong about QBs. He would be worth a mid-round pick.


Kerry Collins, Raiders: He's 7-26 in his last 33 starts with the Giants and Raiders. If Al Davis cuts him, he could wind up with Jim Fassel in Baltimore.

Drew Brees, Chargers: One problem: Brees tore the labrum in his throwing shoulder in the final game of the year and needed surgery. Just what the Jets need after Pennington, right?


Philip Rivers, Chargers: San Diego already paid his $14.5 million in bonuses and his base salaries are manageable. But Brees' injury makes him untouchable and perhaps the Chargers' starter.


Jon Kitna, Bengals: Carson Palmer's knee injury means it's imperative for Cincy to re-sign Kitna.


Aaron Brooks, Saints: Underachieved all those years with New Orleans.


Daunte Culpepper, Vikings: Could be traded, but his '06 availability is in doubt after tearing three knee ligaments last season.

Brian Griese, Bucs: He lost his job to Simms after suffering a season-ending knee injury and could be a cap casualty. Would be a good short-term fill-in.


Josh McCown, Cardinals: They elected to keep Kurt Warner instead. Is he any better than Brooks Bollinger?
 

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That article says nothing about how high McCown may be on the jets list. Thats one writers opinion.
 

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I cannot wait until that moron signs with another team if only so i never have to hear his name associated with my beloved Cardinals....

Wake up guys, he ain't that much better than Brooks Bollinger...hes more physically capable but Josh just doesnt have the wiring right to be an NFL QB....

can we just move on....?
 

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Arizona's Finest said:
I cannot wait until that moron signs with another team if only so i never have to hear his name associated with my beloved Cardinals....

Wake up guys, he ain't that much better than Brooks Bollinger...hes more physically capable but Josh just doesnt have the wiring right to be an NFL QB....

can we just move on....?

Yea ok. :rolleyes:
 

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I cannot wait until that moron signs with another team if only so i never have to hear his name associated with my beloved Cardinals....

That's pretty childish if you ask me. McCown may not have lead this team to the playoffs but he did give it his all. I don't recall once where McCown didn't give 110%. To call him a moron is pretty lame IMO.
 

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That's pretty childish if you ask me. McCown may not have lead this team to the playoffs but he did give it his all. I don't recall once where McCown didn't give 110%. To call him a moron is pretty lame IMO.

IMO.....i just dont think the guy has it. I have talked to him in person, i have seen and heard him in groups of people, I have heard him in interviews and most importantly I have watched the game tape. He just doenst make the reads, the progressions or the check downs necessary to sustain success in the NFL....

I'm obvioulsy not alone in this assessment and while i give it to the guy for handling things with class, showing fire, and really trying his best I just dont think he has it upstairs for the position. Im not trying to be a jerk, im not trying to talk down to him, im just relating to you what i have seen and heard.

Maybe im wrong. Maybe he will put it together. Maybe a team will pare down its playbook so much and surround him with such a good running attack, and defense that he even has success and makes a pro bowl. But he will NEVER NEVER be the starting QB for a Super Bowl team. QB's are at their most important in the Championship games and Super Bowl when coaches take everything else away and usually make the QB beat them. Dilfer was not the most talented guy but anyone who has heard him talk realizes the guy can break down an NFL defense. Thats why he won. Thats why guys like Montana, Brady and Pennington win too. Not because they have a cannon arm, but because the game slows down for them mentally...

I just don't see that with Josh at all....You can disagree with my term "moron" (ignorant, dumb, few fries short of a happy meal can all be substituted as well), you can disagree with that he is a better QB for this team, and you can want the best for they guy because he did in fact handle himself well....

But my point remains....I'm very tired of hearing people defend this guy and talk about him as an NFL QB for this team. Hes not, and will not ever be the right guy for the Arizona Cardinals. He has had his chance and it didnt work out...

If i never hear the term "Joshua Christ Superstar" ever again...well it will be a happy day.

I have nothing against the guy personally. I just want more for my team and whatever he's selling, I ain't buyin......
 

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MadCardDisease said:
That's pretty childish if you ask me. McCown may not have lead this team to the playoffs but he did give it his all. I don't recall once where McCown didn't give 110%. To call him a moron is pretty lame IMO.


Yeah I agree AF. I was thinking you were talking about Tom Knight or Simeon or something when I saw the M-word. Josh may have been a knucklehead and cost us a few games, but he's no moron.
 

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IMO.....i just dont think the guy has it. I have talked to him in person, i have seen and heard him in groups of people, I have heard him in interviews and most importantly I have watched the game tape. He just doenst make the reads, the progressions or the check downs necessary to sustain success in the NFL....

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You may find surprising agreement on the above point... :D
 

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Josh is very athletic. Is he a good talker? I don';t know if you need to be good in that area to be a QB. I've never heard anyone say that he can't call plays. He is smart enough and athletic enough to improvise on the field to win games. He has a strong arm and tends to overthrow his target.

That being said I agree that he most likely will be a back up in this league right after some team gives him a shot at starting. He does lose himself at times and can't make all the reads. He has never been injured and has real quick feet. I don't think his heavy southern layback style has affected what he does on the football field. To be honest I wouldn't mind him being our back up QB, but it's safe to say he is leaving. He has done something that I and thousdands of others would have loved to have done, Played a sport at the highest level.

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Crazy Canuck said:
You may find surprising agreement on the above point... :D

Whatever.....:rolleyes:

Its my contention that although he is one of the most athletic guys in the league at his positon, has a rocket arm, and has alot of good leadership qualities....well something is lacking.....so if you disagree with my premise that its his inability to handle complex defensive schemes mentally....well then bring up why it is he is not successful at this level....

and it cant all be the Cardinals guys....

between this guy and Marcell Shipp i will never understand the love affair with the players who have no game and would only make the Cardinals roster and then the spewwing venom at anyone who wants to point this out....

nice guys are great but i like it better when they are nice guys AND help my team win...like Boldin and Fitz....

Are we cheering for a football team or a philanthropy club?????
 

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Arizona's Finest said:
Whatever.....:rolleyes:

Its my contention that although he is one of the most athletic guys in the league at his positon, has a rocket arm, and has alot of good leadership qualities....well something is lacking.....so if you disagree with my premise that its his inability to handle complex defensive schemes mentally....well then bring up why it is he is not successful at this level....

and it cant all be the Cardinals guys....

between this guy and Marcell Shipp i will never understand the love affair with the players who have no game and would only make the Cardinals roster and then the spewwing venom at anyone who wants to point this out....

nice guys are great but i like it better when they are nice guys AND help my team win...like Boldin and Fitz....

Are we cheering for a football team or a philanthropy club?????

First of all saying he will NEVER NEVER win a superbowl is no knock on Josh. Dan Marino never won a superbowl does that make him a moron? I could list some more great ones and extremely good current ones who have never or will likely never win a superbowl. In fact its highly likely Peyton Manning or Donovan Mcnabb will never win a superbowl. So I really dont get your point of contention. Please enlighten me.

There are many people that dont agree with your assesment, Not only many on this board but many across the NFL. I have personally spoken to Josh and heard him on radio shows etc.. He is very articulate. He certainly is no dummy. I think you have a pre-conceived notion about the guy and wont let it go. Probably because you came across that notion of Josh when it was stated about him once or twice on this board and has seem to have stuck.
 

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Arizona's Finest said:
has a rocket arm

...But he doesnt have a rocket arm. If I never see another ******* Moonball where the CB and WR get to play heads up 7up, I will be very happy.

It's a good thing he was throwing to Q and Fitz or he probably would a set the record for single game and single season INT records.
 

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McCown will be in the NFL for a long time, maybe not as a starter, but he's a solid #2. He has experience and the kid is a good athlete.

I think it's really up to McCown as far as where he ends up. If he's set on being a starter, or wants big money, his options are limited. Teams like the Bears, Saints, Browns, Dallas, Raiders, or Jets might be willing to let him fight for the starting spot.

If he wants to play for a winner, willing to settle for an average contract, and is willing to ride the pine, he'll easily have 20+ teams to choose from.
 

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Arizona's Finest said:
If i never hear the term "Joshua Christ Superstar" ever again...well it will be a happy day.


Hey, I coined that one!! That was one of the high points of the Josh era...the names and such. Also, having him climb down off the cross long enough to throw a touchdown to Poole.
 

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Shane H said:
First of all saying he will NEVER NEVER win a superbowl is no knock on Josh. Dan Marino never won a superbowl does that make him a moron? I could list some more great ones and extremely good current ones who have never or will likely never win a superbowl. In fact its highly likely Peyton Manning or Donovan Mcnabb will never win a superbowl. So I really dont get your point of contention. Please enlighten me.

There are many people that dont agree with your assesment, Not only many on this board but many across the NFL. I have personally spoken to Josh and heard him on radio shows etc.. He is very articulate. He certainly is no dummy. I think you have a pre-conceived notion about the guy and wont let it go. Probably because you came across that notion of Josh when it was stated about him once or twice on this board and has seem to have stuck.

Uh OH AF, now you've gone and done it. You've spoken about how you feel about Josh and raised the Ire of the biggest Josh lover on the board. You should know better than to 'not like him' and think he doesn't have 'it' when the almighty Shane is there to defend him...and speak for oh so many McCown lovers "all over the board and the NFL" because he knows how great he is and will do excellent things...
Ya know Shane just like you say AF can not know if Josh will fails goes for you, too...you don't know Josh will succeed..and judging by his past performances and how many years now in the league? 4? He isn't on his way to a stellar carreer. If ANYONE downs Josh or sees him as an inadequate QB, you are right there to punce...if AF thinks he's a moron...so what? Why does it other you so much?. And when Josh is gone, I don't care if he wins or losses cuz he won't be a Card anymore. I'm not so petty that I'm gonna come back on the board in a few yearsand say "See I told you Josh would be great/suck" becuase quite frankly..no one cares. Don't take it so personally...relax
 

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Uh OH AF, now you've gone and done it. You've spoken about how you feel about Josh and raised the Ire of the biggest Josh lover on the board. You should know better than to 'not like him' and think he doesn't have 'it' when the almighty Shane is there to defend him...and speak for oh so many McCown lovers "all over the board and the NFL" because he knows how great he is and will do excellent things...
Ya know Shane just like you say AF can not know if Josh will fails goes for you, too...you don't know Josh will succeed..and judging by his past performances and how many years now in the league? 4? He isn't on his way to a stellar carreer. If ANYONE downs Josh or sees him as an inadequate QB, you are right there to punce...if AF thinks he's a moron...so what? Why does it other you so much?. And when Josh is gone, I don't care if he wins or losses cuz he won't be a Card anymore. I'm not so petty that I'm gonna come back on the board in a few yearsand say "See I told you Josh would be great/suck" becuase quite frankly..no one cares. Don't take it so personally...relax

First and foremost your reply is plain and simply moronic in its own right, you typred like AF claims McCown talks. But Thanks for calling me the "almighty" I appreciate that! Im not the biggest Josh lover on the board by far. Rats would easily take that title. :thumbup:

Second you never heard me say that Josh will go somehwere and succeed and do excellent things. Never once made that prediction. Good luck trying to find it. Judging by his performance doesnt mean he wont have a stellar career either.

Please show me in my post anywhere that even puts off the demeanor that Im not being calm? Once again you must come from the FlagstaffDave school of thought, that message boards aren't here for debate from both sides. :shrug:
 
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Red Air Force said:
...But he doesnt have a rocket arm. If I never see another ******* Moonball where the CB and WR get to play heads up 7up, I will be very happy.

It's a good thing he was throwing to Q and Fitz or he probably would a set the record for single game and single season INT records.

Sorry bro but he does have an extremly strong arm. I saw many more fluttering moon balls from Warner during the year then I have ever seen McCown throw.
 

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First and foremost your reply is plain and simply moronic in its own right, you typred like AF claims McCown talks. But Thanks for calling me the "almighty" I appreciate that! Im not the biggest Josh lover on the board by far. Rats would easily take that title. :thumbup:

Second you never heard me say that Josh will go somehwere and succeed and do excellent things. Never once made that prediction. Good luck trying to find it. Judging by his performance doesnt mean he wont have a stellar career either.

Please show me in my post anywhere that even puts off the demeanor that Im not being calm? Once again you must come from the FlagstaffDave school of thought, that message boards aren't here for debate from both sides. :shrug:

LOL I knew you'd respond with insults. You're predictable for sure. Can't take any kind of critcism without calling someone 'moronic'?Typical when you feel your opinion is being threatened I love readng your posts, funny stuff...lol And I'm not only going on this thread but the other 523 threads you've responded on defending Josh....I'm not gonna go back and pick out everything you say because frankly, you're not worth the time. All I'm saying is you love to argue and rock the boat but when someone rocks you a bit when, you do exactly what you did...insult. LOL
 

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Uh OH AF, now you've gone and done it. You've spoken about how you feel about Josh and raised the Ire of the biggest Josh lover on the board. You should know better than to 'not like him' and think he doesn't have 'it' when the almighty Shane is there to defend him...and speak for oh so many McCown lovers "all over the board and the NFL" because he knows how great he is and will do excellent things...Ya know Shane just like you say AF can not know if Josh will fails goes for you, too...you don't know Josh will succeed..and judging by his past performances and how many years now in the league? 4? He isn't on his way to a stellar carreer. If ANYONE downs Josh or sees him as an inadequate QB, you are right there to punce...if AF thinks he's a moron...so what? Why does it other you so much?. And when Josh is gone, I don't care if he wins or losses cuz he won't be a Card anymore. I'm not so petty that I'm gonna come back on the board in a few yearsand say "See I told you Josh would be great/suck" becuase quite frankly..no one cares. Don't take it so personally...relax


Do you consider your first statement not full of sarcasm and condescending? Was the way you typed it and the tone in your meessage meant to be nice? Im serious.
 
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Shane H said:
Do you consider your first statement not full of sarcasm and condescending? Was the way you typed it and the tone in your meessage meant to be nice? Im serious.

Absolutley , it was sarcastic. And very 'tounge in cheek'...I've read your posts where your sarcastic (along with alot of other posters) and to me, it's all in fun. I knew it would 'get ya' alittle if I gave ya dig but not to the point of calling a moron..I figured you'd call me a no good %^^&$#...lol Or worse, a Leeland McElroy jocker!!:eek: ......:D
It's all good here, bro...:thumbup:
 

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That's pretty childish if you ask me. McCown may not have lead this team to the playoffs but he did give it his all. I don't recall once where McCown didn't give 110%. To call him a moron is pretty lame IMO.

Thanks you! :thumbup:
 

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blindseyed said:
Absolutley , it was sarcastic. And very 'tounge in cheek'...I've read your posts where your sarcastic (along with alot of other posters) and to me, it's all in fun. I knew it would 'get ya' alittle if I gave ya dig but not to the point of calling a moron..I figured you'd call me a no good %^^&$#...lol Or worse, a Leeland McElroy jocker!!:eek: ......:D
It's all good here, bro...:thumbup:

First of all you read way to much into a post. If I call a post moronic then thats what I feel. It doesnt mean I am personally calling you a moron. Just something you wrote at that point in time. If I thought you were a moron it would truly show. Just ask tango and NEM.
 

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Josh is very athletic. Is he a good talker? I don';t know if you need to be good in that area to be a QB. I've never heard anyone say that he can't call plays. He is smart enough and athletic enough to improvise on the field to win games. He has a strong arm and tends to overthrow his target.

That being said I agree that he most likely will be a back up in this league right after some team gives him a shot at starting. He does lose himself at times and can't make all the reads. He has never been injured and has real quick feet. I don't think his heavy southern layback style has affected what he does on the football field. To be honest I wouldn't mind him being our back up QB, but it's safe to say he is leaving. He has done something that I and thousdands of others would have loved to have done, Played a sport at the highest level.

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