McCown to Boldin.......Get Used To It!!!!!

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by jon_nyaz
Actually I found his points rather valid. Clearly, Carolina lacked the preparation to understand how McCown would react in a given situation. Often times, that can make a big difference in how a defense prepares and ultimately plays the game.

Some of you guys are unreal!!!!!!!

^(*&^^(* Superman could walk out on the field in a Cards uniform and you'd find some thing to bitch about.

Like I said, McCown showed athleticism, a good AND accurate throwing arm, he didn't make many mental mistakes that I saw. On the contrary, he showed a good instinctual awareness of the momentary situation, reacted in probably the most approprate manner, eg...choosing whether to throw, run or just get rid of the ball, seemed to have generally pretty good reads and field vision, and because of the versatility he demonstrated, coupled with some nice "ball-handling" , opened up more options for the offense, the resulting, less- predictable and "readable" offense just became that much more of a problem for Carolina to defense.

A versatile athletic QB, used properly, is a problem for ANY defense.

Those are all qualities that are NOT just going to disappear overnight.

I only saw him make a couple of mistakes all day. The biggest being the overthrown ball to Boldin on the deep route over the middle. I only remember 1 other bad throw the entire game..

I think it was also evident that he had the team really behind him at the end of the game, and even though Quan had 2 or 3 big drops, they all moved the ball down the field and at least go the tie. To me that also showed he can be the leader of this team.

I must admit that after the first play of the game I found myself mumbling ***^($*# here we go again, why did he throw that???*$*(#& Jake .....What's Geep telling him on the side line with his clipboard?....DON'T DO THAT??.....%**)($%#&(

But then seeing the replay I saw he was grabbed from behind by his jersey and/or shoulder pads AFTER his throwing motion had already begun....cousing the lame duck wobbler....just one of those "**** happens" things more than anything.

I challenge any of you who are dissing his play to give specific examples to support your claims.

Like I said, the skills he demonstrated today are not some gaudy "numbers" or statistics. Those indeed are nothing to get excited about, one way or the other, in a short time span.
But the athletic skills are no "one game phenomenon".

The biggest knock on him so far has been his "nervousness" and apparent "excitablity". I saw nothing of that in a negative way today. Again....those of you who claim otherwise....show me where!!!!!!

I am now convinced. McCown is indeed worth the gamble on him. Go for it. Let him build even more confidence these last 2 games, maybe get Parsons a little bit of playing time. But basically go into next year with the starting position wide open....and let the best man win. Right now. I'm willing to say....that will be McCown, and Blake a good backup.

 

[Tangodnzr]

PS....that first completion to Freddy Jones, right after the INT. was as beautifully thrown a ball as you will ever see. Another thing I liked about what I saw from him today.
Coming back and playing like he did, after that first play.

 

[Snakester]

Originally posted by CaliCards
McCown is the #1 QB for the next 3 games.

Sorry, but we will not be making the playoffs. Our remaining games are against Seattle and Minnesota.

 

[AZCB34]

I am not ready to annoint him yet but a nice performance in his very first EVER NFL start. If he can build on today, MAYBE the Cards already have a QB in theire midst and they can concentrate on the holes that need filling on the rest of the team.

I think what alot of people are afraid of is maybe Mac was actually right about this guy. I am looking forward to seeing him progress before his next start.

What is important about the next 2 games is they are against teams with everything to lose so it isn;t like the Cards opponenets will be playing 3/4 effort. These teams need to desperately win the game so it will be a solid test.

 

[bratwurst]

I hate to bitch, but Tango - lay off the red. I know you feel its cool to change the color and all, but its actually painful to read your posts not because of content, but it strains the eyes.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by bratwurst
I hate to bitch, but Tango - lay off the red. I know you feel its cool to change the color and all, but its actually painful to read your posts not because of content, but it strains the eyes.

OK

 

[WisconsinCard]

Originally posted by Snakester
Tango, I'm not ready to call McCown the man yet, but he did impress me enough that I think we can let Blake go. McCown has a very good arm, can throw on the run, can scramble when he needs to, and I think he might turn out to be a decent QB. But, it is way to soon to give him the job. I think over the next two games we will get a better idea of whether or not to annoint him as our possible future QB. Right now I am for making him number one out of him, Blake and Parsons. I am still for drafting Eli Manning, but McCown is at least making me think that there might be a chance for him being the man. We will get a little better picture of things after the next two games.

I thought he had a pretty decent game also, but did anyone notice his mechanics, he seems to throw 3/4 sidearm? I would think with his size they would want him to throw over the top as not to get passes knocked down.

 

[cardsunsfan]

I like the green better Tango It really isn't time to give McCown the undisputed starting job for next year though... Teams can sometimes gameplan for qb's if they get predictable and I don't if McCown will be predictable or not yet. He did seem to have problems with adjustments in the second half when they were accounting for his running skills and possibly even what kind of throws he liked. The biggest thing for me with a qb is football IQ and from what I've heard in reports McCown looks worse in practice then his backup and he doesn't prepair as well and is not as quick of a learner, that kind of scares me.

I would like to see Parsons one game just to see how he would do. Maybe Blake has been the biggest problem? I think we have a lot of weapons on offence and Jones and Boldin seem to be open often maybe Blake has just regressed...

 

[Tangodnzr]

In doing some of the research I've have been lately, I ran across an old article talking about Blake back when he was with the Bengals...and how one of his problems was a tendancy towards poor decisions at times.

At this point, from what I have seen, I'd say that's still a legitimate concern.

Any QB doesn't see every open man, but it sure has seemed to me that Blake has "missed" more than his share.

I've been saying for weeks now, that he has looked more like the one suffering from "deer in the headlights" syndrome than than McCown has.

I think some of you may be misinterpreting what I've been saying.

I have already stated....I'm not "annoiting" him savior or starter.

But In my mind now, I feel he can be the answer here, and is as good or better risk than any rookie available. My concerns about his potential have been answered enough to say, I think he's the real deal, and worth developing.

I'd also be interested to know who and where any "dumb" or "slow learning" rumors came from. I don't remember seeing or hearing that from anyone. In fact, just the opposite, that he's a reasonably intelligent kid. Granted he's no articulate Antonio Banderas in front of a camera, but a lot of young athletes aren't.

Most are just good athletes and not Ahmad Rashads, Joe Namath's or even "Simian" Rice's.

All I really care about is his performance on the football field.

 

[ajcardfan]

Tango,

There's no rule saying we can't draft a rookie QB and keep McCown. Yeah, there's tons of needs, but there are a lot of ways to meet them, and I seriously doubt an outsider coming in is going to say "McCown is it for me."

 

[Dan H]

If McCown plays well, I'd like to see us trade down 1 or 2 spots and draft Roethlisberger. If he doesn't play well, stay where we are (assuming #1) and pick Manning.

It's never a bad thing to have two young QBs with potential. Look at Green Bay, they were able to barter players like Brunell, Hasselback, and Aaron Brooks for talent to help keep the team competitive.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Dan H
Look at Green Bay, they were able to barter players like Brunell, Hasselback, and Aaron Brooks for talent to help keep the team competitive.

But they didn't draft those guys early, they drafted them second day.

Drafting Roeth. or Manning just to draft a Qb, would be idiotic IMO. If McCown looks like he did yesterday, I would seriously think about trading down a few slots to pick up additional picks and selecting the best available player (Shawn Taylor, Wilfork, etc.)

Then I would take Rivers in the second round if he was still available. I like Rivers almost as much, if not more than Manning, and he would represent a lesser risk not to mention the fact that he would be paid a whole lot less.

 

[JeffGollin]

McCown played 3½ quarters of winning football.

But he still has to be held accountable for that bonehead interception that turned out to be the margin of defeat.

Incidently, I know what he was trying to do on that play. He had a man wide open 15 - 20 yards deeper, but he didn't (or couldn't) step into his throw and the ball was thrown way way short for the easy pick.

He'll learn that, if he can't step into the pass, he must throw it away. (If he can't learn this, he'll be serving burgers faster than you can say Stony Case).

I also fault Sully and the offensive coaches for dialing up that fake double screen fiasco where McCown kept spinnng around in what looked like a jittery pirhouette before eventually eating the ball.

You don't make an inexperienced QB do something so complicated that takes so much time to execute - especially when facing one of the best pass rushing units in the NFL. It was a recipe for disaster before it started. We're fortunate, Josh didn't cough up the ball or throw a pick.

 

[Stronso]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
Some of you guys are unreal!!!!!!!

^(*&^^(* Superman could walk out on the field in a Cards uniform and you'd find some thing to bitch about.

Like I said, McCown showed athleticism, a good AND accurate throwing arm, he didn't make many mental mistakes that I saw. On the contrary, he showed a good instinctual awareness of the momentary situation, reacted in probably the most approprate manner, eg...choosing whether to throw, run or just get rid of the ball, seemed to have generally pretty good reads and field vision, and because of the versatility he demonstrated, coupled with some nice "ball-handling" , opened up more options for the offense, the resulting, less- predictable and "readable" offense just became that much more of a problem for Carolina to defense.

A versatile athletic QB, used properly, is a problem for ANY defense.

Those are all qualities that are NOT just going to disappear overnight.

I only saw him make a couple of mistakes all day. The biggest being the overthrown ball to Boldin on the deep route over the middle. I only remember 1 other bad throw the entire game..

I think it was also evident that he had the team really behind him at the end of the game, and even though Quan had 2 or 3 big drops, they all moved the ball down the field and at least go the tie. To me that also showed he can be the leader of this team.

I must admit that after the first play of the game I found myself mumbling ***^($*# here we go again, why did he throw that???*$*(#& Jake .....What's Geep telling him on the side line with his clipboard?....DON'T DO THAT??.....%**)($%#&(

But then seeing the replay I saw he was grabbed from behind by his jersey and/or shoulder pads AFTER his throwing motion had already begun....cousing the lame duck wobbler....just one of those "**** happens" things more than anything.

I challenge any of you who are dissing his play to give specific examples to support your claims.

Like I said, the skills he demonstrated today are not some gaudy "numbers" or statistics. Those indeed are nothing to get excited about, one way or the other, in a short time span.
But the athletic skills are no "one game phenomenon".

The biggest knock on him so far has been his "nervousness" and apparent "excitablity". I saw nothing of that in a negative way today. Again....those of you who claim otherwise....show me where!!!!!!

I am now convinced. McCown is indeed worth the gamble on him. Go for it. Let him build even more confidence these last 2 games, maybe get Parsons a little bit of playing time. But basically go into next year with the starting position wide open....and let the best man win. Right now. I'm willing to say....that will be McCown, and Blake a good backup. [/B]

You always bitch about people not making valid points or reasoned judgements about players. You always bitch about people letting their emotions get the best of them when it comes to seeing what really happened. So when someone makes a valid point about defensive game preparation you tell him he is wrong?

McCown had a decent first game and made some good plays. But I am not ready to annoint him the full time starter like you are.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by Stronso
You always bitch about people not making valid points or reasoned judgements about players. You always bitch about people letting their emotions get the best of them when it comes to seeing what really happened. So when someone makes a valid point about defensive game preparation you tell him he is wrong?

McCown had a decent first game and made some good plays. But I am not ready to annoint him the full time starter like you are.

That's right I do. And I have given my reasons why. Which, once more, seems to be more than many others are doing.

R-E-A-D M-Y L-I-P-S .......You, like several others keep saying I'm "annointing him the starter" .....and I keep rebutting...No...but it looks like there will be a good battle for the starting spot next year. I don't care who the coach is.

Some of you keep referring to his "innacuracy" yesterday.

SHOW ME WHERE. He did overthrow Boldin on that one deep route. And I remember only 1 other "bad" pass on his part.
Quan dropped 3 .......hear that 3.....passes he should have caught. Very UN-Quan-like. I don't hear anyone ragging on him.
Yet McCown is dissed for his "poor" accuracy.
If he had thrown as many bad passes as Quan dropped yesterday he apparently would be getting crucified even worse today. Gilmore made a couple of nice catches yesterday.....likewise , I'm sure if he had dropped as many passes as Quan did, he too would be toast on this board today.

It appears to me, that some of you are more concerned about being draft guru's and fixated on either Eli Manning to show what great "scouting and drafting experts" you are, collegiate homers that "know" "YOUR" guy is the next Joe Montana.

I keep challenging some of you to back up your statements....but I still see none....just selective vision to support your evidently already pre-determined take about what the Cards should be doing draft-wise this spring.

and by the way....Jeff....go back and look at that 1st play again on tape, and then come back here tell me you won't reconsider your statement about how Josh "failed to step up....etc". I'm surprised, that you, off all people, are so hasty in your rush to judgement to condemn his "poor play" there. If anyone is to "blame" for what happened there, its Shelton, (or someone's) missed blocking assignment, or poor blocking scheme by the coaches as much or more than just a bonehead play by McCown.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

First off,Tango uses colored fonts because he still writes in crayon.At least that is his intellect level.If you want an example of teams gameplanning for a Qb and reducing his effectiveness then look no further than Cleveland and Kelly Holcomb.Sure,he lit it up at the end of last year,which i don't think anyone can say Mcown lit it up yesterday,but this year when he had the pressure of being the #1 guy and defenses were aware of his strengths and weaknesses he was relegated back to backup status which is where he belonged all along.How many times do you see a backup QB come in a light it up for a week or two and then fall off the face of the earth.It happens all the time.Now the good QB's can still make plays.Mccown may turn out to be able to play but 170 yards and no TD's is not worthy of naming him a future starter.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by Cbus cardsfan
First off,Tango uses colored fonts because he still writes in crayon.At least that is his intellect level.

No, just making sure I put forth a reasonable effort to communicate in a medium thats not over your head CBus.
After all, I sure wouldn't want you suffering any anxiety attacks caused by a feeling of isolation and being left out. :roll:

 

[Stronso]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
That's right I do. And I have given my reasons why. Which, once more, seems to be more than many others are doing.

R-E-A-D M-Y L-I-P-S .......You, like several others keep saying I'm "annointing him the starter" .....and I keep rebutting...No...but it looks like there will be a good battle for the starting spot next year. I don't care who the coach is.

Some of you keep referring to his "innacuracy" yesterday.

SHOW ME WHERE. He did overthrow Boldin on that one deep route. And I remember only 1 other "bad" pass on his part.
Quan dropped 3 .......hear that 3.....passes he should have caught. Very UN-Quan-like. I don't hear anyone ragging on him.
Yet McCown is dissed for his "poor" accuracy.
If he had thrown as many bad passes as Quan dropped yesterday he apparently would be getting crucified even worse today. Gilmore made a couple of nice catches yesterday.....likewise , I'm sure if he had dropped as many passes as Quan did, he too would be toast on this board today.

It appears to me, that some of you are more concerned about being draft guru's and fixated on either Eli Manning to show what great "scouting and drafting experts" you are, collegiate homers that "know" "YOUR" guy is the next Joe Montana.

I keep challenging some of you to back up your statements....but I still see none....just selective vision to support your evidently already pre-determined take about what the Cards should be doing draft-wise this spring.

and by the way....Jeff....go back and look at that 1st play again on tape, and then come back here tell me you won't reconsider your statement about how Josh "failed to step up....etc". I'm surprised, that you, off all people, are so hasty in your rush to judgement to condemn his "poor play" there. If anyone is to "blame" for what happened there, its Shelton, (or someone's) missed blocking assignment, or poor blocking scheme by the coaches as much or more than just a bonehead play by McCown.

56% 0 TD 1 INT 60.6 QB rating 1 TD rush 0 wins 1 loss

Josh's numbers yesterday - courtesy of Russ Smith.

Tango - give it up - these are Jake-like numbers.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by Stronso
56% 0 TD 1 INT 60.6 QB rating 1 TD rush 0 wins 1 loss

Josh's numbers yesterday - courtesy of Russ Smith.

Tango - give it up - these are Jake-like numbers.

Give what up?

Let me put it this way..... You sit and chart everthing going on out on the field and inform me of what "should" be happening according to the "stats" you are recording.

Meanwhile.....I'll watch the game, observing, and trying to register what I SEE happening and let you know, so you can record it and play it back to me.

Right now, I personally could give a Jake's Rats A. what kind of NUMBERS that ANYONE would be putting up (well, maybe except for Quan ). All I care about is what they are/are not showing out on the field. I just don't understand why that seems so hard for some of you to apparently understand.

 

[Stronso]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
Give what up?

Let me put it this way..... You sit and chart everthing going on out on the field and inform me of what "should" be happening according to the "stats" you are recording.

Meanwhile.....I'll watch the game, observing, and trying to register what I SEE happening and let you know, so you can record it and play it back to me.

Right now, I personally could give a Jake's Rats A. what kind of NUMBERS that ANYONE would be putting up (well, maybe except for Quan ). All I care about is what they are/are not showing out on the field. I just don't understand why that seems so hard for some of you to apparently understand.

Put it this way - I do not give one ounce of credibility to your "insight" or perception. That should be black and white for you. You keep on going off on these weird tangents about what you perceive to be true when it is not - according to most observers. BTW - I do not find anything that hard to understand unlike you...

 

[Tangodnzr]

Since when does you not agreeing with me make me "wrong"?????

So you disagree with my "observations"....

All you've really done, so far, is quote McCown's basic line of stats for the game, misrepresented what I HAVE said, and referred to some nebulous "others" that "disagree" with my perceptioins.

So tell me, what specific comments or perceptions of mine are wrong?

Where have I "annointed" him starter for next year?
Have I not repeatedly said only that I now figure McCown has shown enough qualities that drafting a 1st round QB next year does not need to be such a high priority, and that the competition for starting QB next year should be "wide open"?

That's my opinion, I have never made it out to be otherwise.

What's YOUR problem?

 

[Stronso]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
Since when does you not agreeing with me make me "wrong"?????

So you disagree with my "observations"....

All you've really done, so far, is quote McCown's basic line of stats for the game, misrepresented what I HAVE said, and referred to some nebulous "others" that "disagree" with my perceptioins.

So tell me, what specific comments or perceptions of mine are wrong?

Where have I "annointed" him starter for next year?
Have I not repeatedly said only that I now figure McCown has shown enough qualities that drafting a 1st round QB next year does not need to be such a high priority, and that the competition for starting QB next year should be "wide open"?

That's my opinion, I have never made it out to be otherwise.

What's YOUR problem?

I would say right about here you stated that McCown should be the starter:

"I am now convinced. McCown is indeed worth the gamble on him. Go for it. Let him build even more confidence these last 2 games, maybe get Parsons a little bit of playing time. But basically go into next year with the starting position wide open....and let the best man win. Right now. I'm willing to say....that will be McCown, and Blake a good backup. "

I have a very hard time giving a guy who had a 60 rating the keys to the offense next year. Yes, he made good reads and progressions - but that is his job. We have had such **** performances from our QB's over the past 10 years that anyone who could hit the broadside of a barn after checking off his reads is a god around here.

Carolina did not have the benefit of reams of game film to plan for McCown. It will be different for the last 2 games. He basically got a free pass from the Panthers and the best he could do was a 60.

We had a "franchise" QB for 6 years here - your buddy Jake - and he sucked while he was here. It is time to get a new one.

Lastly, my problem is with your holier than thou attitude. You are the one who lobs off grenades to people and then when people react you whine and say "Stop it - you're being mean"

You and I have always gone back and forth over perceptions. I still feel your perceptions are off. But if you're happy - great