McFadden comment

[Russ Smith]

It's early and I get the Bo Jackson comparisons size and speed but anybody else think this kid has almost ZERO vision when he runs? He just seems to take the first move and go it's not as bad as LeShon Johnson was and when you get 5 YPC it's hard to argue, but it's like he doesn't even bother to look where for a hole he just goes 100MPH until he gets hit.

It was really noticeable several times last night he'd get a carry and get 4-5 yards by just bulldozing, and then Fargas would get essentially the same play and get 8 by just picking the right hole to run through?

Maybe he was just excited in his first game except I saw the same thing in the preseason and it's something the Raider announcers talked about too how McFadden needed to learn to pick holes.

The talent is ridiculous but right now he reminds me more of Herschel Walker than Bo in that Herschel had the same issue not very good vision.

 

[joeshmo]

Comment on DeAngello Hall.

Guy goes out in his first game as a Raider and proves how stupid they were for giving him the contract they gave to him and just how overrated he really is. Gets destroyed for 9 catches and 150 yards by a rookie.

 

[abomb]

Comment on DeAngello Hall.

Guy goes out in his first game as a Raider and proves how stupid they were for giving him the contract they gave to him and just how overrated he really is. Gets destroyed for 9 catches and 150 yards by a rookie.

Yeah, when the starting lineups came out, Donald and I said, "Damn, that secondary is stacked". I guess names arent everything.

 

[Russ Smith]

Comment on DeAngello Hall.

Guy goes out in his first game as a Raider and proves how stupid they were for giving him the contract they gave to him and just how overrated he really is. Gets destroyed for 9 catches and 150 yards by a rookie.

The one thing in Halls' defense is he played about 10 snaps in preseason due to injury.

But he's always been a hair trigger guy and showed it again last night. Local paper today was joking when did the Raiders sign Philip Buchanon again.

They have some young talent I think Russell and McFadden have a chance to be really good players but the NFL almost needs to go Ted Stepien rule and step in for the good of competitive balance and take over the Raiders or something it's getting ridiculous how bad they are now due to Al Davis.

McFadden has played one NFL game and Tim Kawakami is already writing a column essentially apologizing to him for having the misfortune of being drafted by Oakland.

 

[D-Dogg]

I thought Mcfadden looked just fine. I also thought that Oakland has absolutely, positively no CLUE in the world of how to use him.

Take the McFadden to Fargas handoff for starters...ok, nice play, but why are you SETTING THAT PLAY UP? Just have him fake the handoff and roll out and pass it. You don't need to set up the pass on that...you need to set up the run on it. Show him DOING the trick play and passing it, let him throw it and energize the offense, even if it is incomplete. But to run that play and have him hand off, the decoy version? Ugh...it's game one...time to unleash the tricks, not set them up for later.

More stuff to the outside for him...less up the gut. Where was he in the passing game?

They have no clue in the world how to use possibly the most multi-talented player in the draft.

 

[Mulli]

I thought Mcfadden looked just fine. I also thought that Oakland has absolutely, positively no CLUE in the world of how to use him.

Take the McFadden to Fargas handoff for starters...ok, nice play, but why are you SETTING THAT PLAY UP? Just have him fake the handoff and roll out and pass it. You don't need to set up the pass on that...you need to set up the run on it. Show him DOING the trick play and passing it, let him throw it and energize the offense, even if it is incomplete. But to run that play and have him hand off, the decoy version? Ugh...it's game one...time to unleash the tricks, not set them up for later.

More stuff to the outside for him...less up the gut. Where was he in the passing game?

They have no clue in the world how to use possibly the most multi-talented player in the draft.

So the Rayderz ran the option? Brilliant!

 

[CardAvenger]

Comment on DeAngello Hall.

Guy goes out in his first game as a Raider and proves how stupid they were for giving him the contract they gave to him and just how overrated he really is. Gets destroyed for 9 catches and 150 yards by a rookie.

Don't forget the stupid personal fouls stacked on top of that.

 

[Russ Smith]

I thought Mcfadden looked just fine. I also thought that Oakland has absolutely, positively no CLUE in the world of how to use him.

Take the McFadden to Fargas handoff for starters...ok, nice play, but why are you SETTING THAT PLAY UP? Just have him fake the handoff and roll out and pass it. You don't need to set up the pass on that...you need to set up the run on it. Show him DOING the trick play and passing it, let him throw it and energize the offense, even if it is incomplete. But to run that play and have him hand off, the decoy version? Ugh...it's game one...time to unleash the tricks, not set them up for later.

More stuff to the outside for him...less up the gut. Where was he in the passing game?

They have no clue in the world how to use possibly the most multi-talented player in the draft.

Note I think on sheer ability alone he can put up pretty impressive numbers, Fargas is not exactly nifty himself and averaged over 5 YPC last season, the Raiders can run block.

I just in seeing him a lot in preseason and last night haven't seen him show much vision or cutting he just gets the ball and runs as hard as he can and still gets 5 yards a carry.

Edge is kind of the exact opposite has no burst or speed but amazing feet and vision so he gets yards that aren't necessarily there. The difference is when you DO have a hole, McFadden might go 70 where Edge might go 11.

 

[Renz]

Comment on DeAngello Hall.

Guy goes out in his first game as a Raider and proves how stupid they were for giving him the contract they gave to him and just how overrated he really is. Gets destroyed for 9 catches and 150 yards by a rookie.

The Raiders have the most overrated CB in the league in Hall and probably the most underrated CB in Asomugha.

 

[black]

The Raiders are horrible.

If I was Lane K, I would have sat Hall on his rear after 2 personal fouls. As far as McFadden is concerned, the experts had him scouted right when they were saying about him having dead legs after contact. I like the Hightower pick better now.

 

[Russ Smith]

The Raiders are horrible.

If I was Lane K, I would have sat Hall on his rear after 2 personal fouls. As far as McFadden is concerned, the experts had him scouted right when they were saying about him having dead legs after contact. I like the Hightower pick better now.

I think he pushes the pile but he's going 100MPH so when he gets hit it's like hitting a brick wall the body stops. Whereas a guy like Hightower runs with vision and control and lowers the boom and keeps driving.

One thing you can't fault McFadden is courage he will take a hit and not think twice, I just think right now the way he runs he looks like he could have a shorter NFL career because he gets hit so much.

He really is an impressive athlete, they have to figure out how to use him.
Also curious to see his fumbles in the NFL, he fumbled a lot in college.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Call me crazy, but I wouldn't have drafted McFadden if I were the Raiders. I noticed the same thing about him that you have Russ, no ability to cut really

Go back and watch his college film, it's the same thing, he just hits the hole hard and fast and it's a foot race. That won't happen as much in the pros and he is going to struggle.

Drafting McFadden is just a symptom of a greater problem for the Raiders: poor management. They would've been much better served strengthening another position, not RB which was already pretty good for them.

 

[ActingWild]

It's early and I get the Bo Jackson comparisons size and speed but anybody else think this kid has almost ZERO vision when he runs? He just seems to take the first move and go it's not as bad as LeShon Johnson was and when you get 5 YPC it's hard to argue, but it's like he doesn't even bother to look where for a hole he just goes 100MPH until he gets hit.

It was really noticeable several times last night he'd get a carry and get 4-5 yards by just bulldozing, and then Fargas would get essentially the same play and get 8 by just picking the right hole to run through?

Maybe he was just excited in his first game except I saw the same thing in the preseason and it's something the Raider announcers talked about too how McFadden needed to learn to pick holes.

The talent is ridiculous but right now he reminds me more of Herschel Walker than Bo in that Herschel had the same issue not very good vision.

Totally agree on the vision thing, but physically, McFadden isn't even close to Jackson on the talent scale. Jackson had at least 10 more pounds on him but ran an incredible 4.12 at the combine, compared to 4.33 for McFadden.

 

[Russ Smith]

Totally agree on the vision thing, but physically, McFadden isn't even close to Jackson on the talent scale. Jackson had at least 10 more pounds on him but ran an incredible 4.12 at the combine, compared to 4.33 for McFadden.

Agreed but they've been comparing McFadden to Bo ever since they drafted him for obvious reasons since Bo was a Raider. I do get the comparison the size and speed combo but as you said not as big or as fast. Bo was a freak of nature.

 

[john h]

It's early and I get the Bo Jackson comparisons size and speed but anybody else think this kid has almost ZERO vision when he runs? He just seems to take the first move and go it's not as bad as LeShon Johnson was and when you get 5 YPC it's hard to argue, but it's like he doesn't even bother to look where for a hole he just goes 100MPH until he gets hit.

It was really noticeable several times last night he'd get a carry and get 4-5 yards by just bulldozing, and then Fargas would get essentially the same play and get 8 by just picking the right hole to run through?

Maybe he was just excited in his first game except I saw the same thing in the preseason and it's something the Raider announcers talked about too how McFadden needed to learn to pick holes.

The talent is ridiculous but right now he reminds me more of Herschel Walker than Bo in that Herschel had the same issue not very good vision.

He did not get many carries but I think averaged about 4.6 yds a carry behind a terrible line. He very much looks like a keeper. His old running mate who is now with Dallas I think I saw him score a TD running around left end. He also is a keeper.

 

[ActingWild]

Agreed but they've been comparing McFadden to Bo ever since they drafted him for obvious reasons since Bo was a Raider. I do get the comparison the size and speed combo but as you said not as big or as fast. Bo was a freak of nature.

Yep, it would have been interesting to see his career play out if he only played football and didn't have the hip injury/issue.

 

[Russ Smith]

He did not get many carries but I think averaged about 4.6 yds a carry behind a terrible line. He very much looks like a keeper. His old running mate who is now with Dallas I think I saw him score a TD running around left end. He also is a keeper.

5.1 and Oakland's line isn't terrible, Fargas averaged 5.6 YPC last season. They are a pretty good run blocking OL. Fargas averaged 5.4 in the same game.

I think he's a real talent but so far I don't see any vision, some guys have a unique ability to find a crack or a hole opening and get to it, some guys just run as hard as they can until they get tackled. So far McFadden's weakness seems to be vision.

But if you can average 5 YPC like that you're doing pretty damn well.

 

[SuperSpck]

I was impressed by the Raiders run game in general. McFadden will be fine, I hope Fargas gets a fair shake, he's earned it.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I'm NEVER going to be confused with a Raider fan, however in this pick I think they got it right and so far, McFadden proved his worth.

The team has put themselves in a good spot with the QB position and now the HB spot. Once everything falls in to place, they may be respectable yet.

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm NEVER going to be confused with a Raider fan, however in this pick I think they got it right and so far, McFadden proved his worth.

The team has put themselves in a good spot with the QB position and now the HB spot. Once everything falls in to place, they may be respectable yet.

I have to admit I'm really skeptical on JaMarcus Russell. He has an absolute cannon for an arm but I don't see much signs of touch. and my real concern on him is his size, that guy is huge, he's quite young and not in good shape now (he still has a spare tire). There have been reports since they picked him about his not being much of a workout guy. I just have to wonder is he going to have weight issues.

He has the arm definitely but so much more goes into playing QB and I really wonder what sort of coaching he's getting now with the nonsense they have going on there. They could screw up his developmental years.