McGinnis: Hard to win with Cards

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McGinnis: Hard to win with Cards
By Darren Urban, Tribune
October 20, 2005

Dave McGinnis didn’t want this week to be about him.

Although the former Cardinals coach will be back in Arizona this weekend as an assistant coach for the visiting Tennessee Titans, he politely turned down multiple interview requests from Valley media outlets, mentioning that he would prefer to take the high road after his dismissal following the 2004 season.

But Wednesday afternoon, Tennessee reporters caught up with him, and McGinnis provided a glimpse into his post-Cardinals perspective.

Asked if it is difficult to win with the Cardinals, McGinnis answered, "It hasn’t been difficult — (it’s) harder than hell. Tougher than (expletive). Don’t be delicate, be honest."

"Let me just say this," McGinnis added. "I would say if anybody’s got a chance to do it, Denny Green does because he has total control of it. Unless you get total control of the whole football operations, then it’s not going to work. Denny’s got a chance because he’s got total control. He’s got total control of the draft. He’s got total control of everything football related."

Total control, McGinnis said, was something he didn’t have under the ownership of the Bidwill family.

That wasn’t the entire reason the Cardinals had a miserable 17-40 record during McGinnis’ tenure as coach. After rallying to a 7-9 record in 2001 and starting 4-2 in 2002, McGinnis thought he had turned the franchise in the right direction.

But injuries undercut the rest of 2002, when the Cardinals finished 1-9. In 2003, the Cardinals allowed both quarterback Jake Plummer and receiver David Boston to leave as free agents without getting anything in return, and the stripped-down Cards had little chance for success.

The team went 4-12, and if it hadn’t been for a miracle touchdown pass from Josh McCown to Nate Poole on the season’s final play to beat Minnesota, the Cards would have been 3-13 and owners of the first overall draft pick.

McGinnis was fired the next day. About a month later, Titans coach Jeff Fisher hired him to be assistant head coach and linebackers coach.

"He’s the guy who gave me a chance so I hated to see him go when he did," said Cardinals receiver Anquan Boldin, who was a rookie in McGinnis’ last season. "But that’s the nature of this sport. It’s real cutthroat.

"I don’t think we had the personnel back then but he was never one to point the blame at any players. He always put the fault on himself. A lot of it I don’t think he deserved."

McGinnis is pleased with some of the results of his time here. He helped shepherd the team through some bad salary cap situations when players like Eric Swann and Andre Wadsworth were cut. His enthusiastic personality made him the perfect franchise spokesman while the Cardinals made their push for a new stadium in 2000, helping convince enough voters to approve the project.

But it wasn’t enough after the losses piled up.

"They fired me," McGinnis said. "I’m not one of those guys who says, ‘Well, they went in a different direction.’ That’s (expletive). They fired me.

"I’ve still got a great, great affection for that community, for the Valley, for those fans. Those fans have been through a lot. That core group of fans, they’re great. I still get tremendous letters from those people, thanking me. Believe me, I don’t harbor any ill will at all."

Contact Darren Urban by email, or phone (480) 898-6525
 

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If Dave Mac was given total control the Arizona Cardinals might very well have been demoted to pee-wee football.
 

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Wasn't a very good coach but a class guy. No 'Ill will" and compliments the fans.
 

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I'd have to say that Dave is probably half right.

Cards first mistake was promoting a guy who really was probably wasn't head coach material -- McGinnis.

The Cards next mistake was letting quality players go and signing poor quality free agents. The personnel situation has vastly improved in the last couple of years under Denny Green.
 

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I still like how Mac always talks about the Cardinal fans. What I remember about him when he left he said essentially, his biggest regret was that he never got it done for the fans. Never heard him complain once about the half empty stadium. He looked at the people that were there to watch this hard luck team. Not at the empty bleachers. To be a Cardinals fan is almost always a story about traveling, almost never a story about arriving. Mac knew that. He didn't get it done for us, but I give him a ton of credit for recognizing what Cardinals fans are made of.
 

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Mac was a great guy that's for sure. He was well liked as a person. The biggest thing that this article is telling me is that he didn't make the decisions for the team. He didn't bring in the players and he wasn't in control of the draft either. Mac was without a doubt the most likeable coach that I have ever seen the Cardinals have. Too bad he wasn't the best coach.

The other thing is Denny Green is in control of the free agents and the draft and anything else football related. He (is) running the show. Whether it is a good thing we all shall find out over the next couple of years, but at least we now know who is in control.
 

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Scott MS said:
The Cards next mistake was letting quality players go and signing poor quality free agents. The personnel situation has vastly improved in the last couple of years under Denny Green.

Don't get me wrong, I like Mac the man. But let's not forget who was making those personel choices
 

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Snakester said:
Mac was a great guy that's for sure. He was well liked as a person. The biggest thing that this article is telling me is that he didn't make the decisions for the team. He didn't bring in the players and he wasn't in control of the draft either.
The way I remember it, Mac was pretty much in control of personnel after Tobin was fired and Bob Ferguson became a lame duck. To say that Mac had no control over personnel is disingenuous IMO.
 

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Dave McGinnis may well have been over his head as a head coach in the NFL. But everything he says in this article is more-or-less consistent with what close observers of the Cardinals have known for years. It's why this team has been mired in mediocrity--at best--since Don Coryell got his walking papers.

What's been the constant, through all those years? Ownership. And this ownership has stumbled its way through decades of running an NFL franchise with little to show for it but a lone playoff win over the Cowboys.

So unless you want to make the case that every HC the Cards have hired since Coryell was a bum--those hires were ownership decisions too, let's remember--and that the front office has consistently assembled player rosters with the talent to compete for championships, let's assign blame where it's due.

McGinnis may not have been an NFL-caliber head coach. But better men than him have failed just as badly to make this team a winner.

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Scott MS said:
I'd have to say that Dave is probably half right.

Cards first mistake was promoting a guy who really was probably wasn't head coach material -- McGinnis.

The Cards next mistake was letting quality players go and signing poor quality free agents. The personnel situation has vastly improved in the last couple of years under Denny Green.

Dave answered some serious questions I have always had. DG has TOTAL control over ALL football operations including the draft. What does Graves have control over? Green is clearly responsible for the success or failure of this team. He has two more years after this one to prove he knows what he is doing. One big exception clearly would be the amount of money he is allowed to spend on players. This is big! Leaving 10 mil on the table sure handicaps Green if he was not allowed to spend any of it.
 

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Wild Card said:
Dave McGinnis may well have been over his head as a head coach in the NFL. But everything he says in this article is more-or-less consistent with what close observers of the Cardinals have known for years. It's why this team has been mired in mediocrity--at best--since Don Coryell got his walking papers.

What's been the constant, through all those years? Ownership. And this ownership has stumbled its way through decades of running an NFL franchise with little to show for it but a lone playoff win over the Cowboys.

So unless you want to make the case that every HC the Cards have hired since Coryell was a bum--those hires were ownership decisions too, let's remember--and that the front office has consistently assembled player rosters with the talent to compete for championships, let's assign blame where it's due.

McGinnis may not have been an NFL-caliber head coach. But better men than him have failed just as badly to make this team a winner.

WC

All good points
 

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Rod Graves is involved in contract negotiations, offers, etc. Denny picks the guys who they need to sign, then Rod works hard to get the contracts in place.
 

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Renz said:
The way I remember it, Mac was pretty much in control of personnel after Tobin was fired and Bob Ferguson became a lame duck. To say that Mac had no control over personnel is disingenuous IMO.

I'm sure he had some input into things, but it sounds to me like he didn't make the final decisions on players, whether in the draft or free agency. He may not of even had his choice of coaches either.
 

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I can only say this so many ways Snake. Yes he did on both counts
 

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Eh, Dave McGinnis not in charge of personell decisions....


Whatever, KVB is who he wanted one year and he got him.

Josh he loved at the Senior Bowl, got him.

He may not have had the final say but he had input and to suggest otherwise is silly.

I am truly frightend at the horror show we would have had if he did have total control.

Mac = great guy, maybe good position coach, awful hc.
 

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Eh, Dave McGinnis not in charge of personell decisions....


Whatever, KVB is who he wanted one year and he got him.

Josh he loved at the Senior Bowl, got him.

He may not have had the final say but he had input and to suggest otherwise is silly.

I am truly frightend at the horror show we would have had if he did have total control.

Mac = great guy, maybe good position coach, awful hc.


Truly frightend at the horror show we would have had... :D possible overstatement, yet funny nonetheless.
 

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McGinnis mentionied that he would prefer to take the high road after his dismissal following the 2004 season.
Yep, sure sounds like it Dave... :rolleyes:

Asked if it is difficult to win with the Cardinals, McGinnis answered, "It hasn’t been difficult — (it’s) harder than hell. Tougher than (expletive). Don’t be delicate, be honest."

"Let me just say this," McGinnis added. "I would say if anybody’s got a chance to do it, Denny Green does because he has total control of it. Unless you get total control of the whole football operations, then it’s not going to work. Denny’s got a chance because he’s got total control. He’s got total control of the draft. He’s got total control of everything football related."
 

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Seriously though, name one coach who could have won more than 4 games with Jeff Blake, Quan, and half an Emmitt as your only threats. By the end of his career here, with the exception of Wilson and Quan, Mac had nothing as far as talent.

His biggest mistake was not getting rid of Marmie and Joe Green. Those two were just horrible coaches.

Also, Mac provided ASFN with some serious insights to that football team. We had Skorrp on the sidelines during the camps in Flag, we asked players questions...he treated the fans good. I have nothing bad to say about the guy, except I wish he would have won more games.
 
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Scott MS said:
I'd have to say that Dave is probably half right.

Cards first mistake was promoting a guy who really was probably wasn't head coach material -- McGinnis.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that Dave was wanted by other teams at one point. Didn't the Bears claim he was their HC and then he ended up signing with the Cards instead? :shrug:
 

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nurnay said:
Maybe I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that Dave was wanted by other teams at one point. Didn't the Bears claim he was their HC and then he ended up signing with the Cards instead? :shrug:

Yeah, they had a presser set up to announce his hiring but he hadn't signed a contract or anything. He came back to the Cards, and in the middle of that season, he replaced Tobin.
 

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nurnay said:
Maybe I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that Dave was wanted by other teams at one point. Didn't the Bears claim he was their HC and then he ended up signing with the Cards instead? :shrug:

yep, two of the cheapest franchises wanted Mac as their HC.If only the bengals would have been interested then he would have had the trifecta.The guy stunk,plain and simple. To say he had no say in personnel is just plain idiotic.He wanted all those high-motored, no talent players that he littered the roster with.
 

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nidan said:
I can only say this so many ways Snake. Yes he did on both counts

I'll take your word for it then. You got to talk to him as well as Skkorp so you should know. I liked coach Mac. I wish he would have won for us.
 

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Also, dont forget, this guy busted his butt to get the new stadium approved by the voters. :)

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