McGinnis will be fired

[PACardsFan]

Don't tell me that a good coach can't turn around a team in a relatively short time. Even with Bidwill the owner, Coryell turned a 4-9-1 team into a 10-4 team back in 1974. If the right coach is brought in, it CAN happen. We need to bring in a disciplined, experienced coach, preferably an offensive-minded one. The Cardinals became winners under Coryell because they flat out outscored the opposition. Great offenses put fannies in the seats too. I like Coughlin & Fassel in that order. I truly believe that we would be a .500 team in year one with Coughlin & a playoff team in year 2. Fassel would take maybe an extra year to turn this around. Fassel is disciplined, but not as tough as Coughlin.

 

[Ryanwb]

This says it all

 

[Red Air Force]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK

I am addressing more the crowd who think New Coach=Playoffs.

I think what several of us are trying to say is that such a crowd doesn't exist, even in those of us who were calling for Mac's head early on.

Realisticly though, the right choice should be able to take us to at least 8-8 next year, maybe just missing the playoffs, and be able to bulid on that to take us into the postseason by year two.

So I guess I am saying that a new Coach should = Playoffs, just not next year.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
Coach all you want, but Gilmore is still Gilmore and a starting WR. Renaldo Hill is still starting, and Fred Wakefield is still a "valubale position player on this team" Coaching wont make these guys Pro Bowlers! There is a definate lack of talent here.

But I don't put that all on the personnel people, either. The Corner situation was bad before Starks got hurt, so there's something for Mac to complain about, but this team sounded pretty confident in its roster coming out of camp, including the coaches and media (at least, Skkorp, Nidan, and Brighteyes).

Personally, I think that in the hands of a professional coaching staff, Wakefield and Hill wouldn't be on this team, and Gilmore would be a #4 WR, which is what he is. Rod doesn't make the decision to start Wakefield, Gilmore, or Hill, Mac does. And he runs them out there week in and week out. McDaniel was a starter last year in Carolina, can he be that bad as the starter now? We'll never know, because Hill's out there being bad at the opening kickoff every Sunday.

I agree with you that we don't have a lot of "playmakers" out there, especially on Defense (even though Jim O would try to tell you that Ronnie Mac is a Pro Bowler based on his 9 stops), but also on offense. That's why you need take risks on talent in free agency and high in the draft. This team hasn't done that, and that's institutional. I think that Mac really believes that his guys are just going to suddenly turn the corner, and so he doesn't need a lot of outside help.

 

[JeffGollin]

Something's bugging me.

A QB with a lot of promise comes here and struggles. We show some patience, he still doesn't get it done, we let him leave and it turns out he's doing pretty good over in Denver.

A coach with a lot of promise comes here and struggles. We cut him some slack, but he doesn't get it done. So we can him.

I just have the nagging feeling that there's something else going on that makes it difficult for people to succeed here.

Are we giving up on good people too early?

(Note - I don't mean to be a McGinnis apologist. And I'll be the first to admit that I'm furious at him for decisions he's made and the miserable way the team has performed. But I do think that many reasonably bright human beings can learn from their mistakes and improve).

Our goal should be: To have people in place who give us the best chance of becoming a consistent winner. If we can bring someone in from the outside we feel will do a better job than Mac, well OK bring him in.

But I'm not 100% convinced - looking forward - that we're going to find that "miracle worker" who'll do a better job than Mac.

In my opinion, we should aggressively pursue such a person, but if we can't find anyone we're sure will do a better job than Mac, we shouldn't make the change.

 

[Stout]

Jeff, I'm not looking for a miracle worker, although that would be nice. I'm looking for a good, solid Xs and Os guy that's creative, flexible in gameplans, can adjust during a game and can manage the clock. Mac can't do that. I could probably do that better than Mac, right now. That's what we're looking for.

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by JeffGollin

I just have the nagging feeling that there's something else going on that makes it difficult for people to succeed here.

Are we giving up on good people too early?

As for giving up too early, McGinnis has been here eight years, Plummer was here six. That's a long time in NFL time. Six or eight years counts as an era. Hell, it might even count as an epoch.

As for something else going on....

could it be the receptionists?

the janitors?

the trainers?

the ticket sales people?

Surely it couldn't be the Bidwills!

Could it be....


SATAN?!

 

[FJM]

Originally posted by SMAC
Jay Glazer, NFL beat writer, stated last night on the Arizona Sports Report that he spoke with McGinnis this week and he told Glazer the gig is up in Arizona. He has resolved himself to the fact this will be his last season. Glazer stated changes are forthcoming.

I can't believe the posts that have followed this claim by Glazer.

I'm no friend of Mac but to even suggest that he would say this to a beat writer is so out of character and yet so many of you took this as gospel.
Where is the confirmation?

 

[Red Air Force]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
As for giving up too early, McGinnis has been here eight years, Plummer was here six. That's a long time in NFL time. Six or eight years counts as an era. Hell, it might even count as an epoch.

Yeah, I don't see how you could conceivably say we are giving up too early.

1-2 years yes, 3-4 maybe, but after 5+ plus years you know exactly what you've got.

 

[JeffGollin]

Yeah, I don't see how you could conceivably say we are giving up too early.
The Plummer parallel. By all standards of measurement, we were justified in saying: "We were patient and gave you all kinds of time to turn things around, and you didn't. So Sayonara!" (Then he goes to another team and lights it up).

You're right - by all reason of logic, we've given Mac enough time, and he hasn't gotten it done.

So "Sayonara" (perhaps one year too early - just before he gets it all together and learns how to be a good NFL head coach - for some other team?)

I know you guys make more sense than I do. (But like I said, I've got nagging concerns about pulling the trigger).

 

[Stout]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
Yeah, I don't see how you could conceivably say we are giving up too early.
So "Sayonara" (perhaps one year too early - just before he gets it all together and learns how to be a good NFL head coach - for some other team?)

I know you guys make more sense than I do. (But like I said, I've got nagging concerns about pulling the trigger).

This doesn't make sense. More and more, we're seeing our own PLAYERS go elsewhere and play well. What does that reflect upon, the coaching or the organization. Undeniably, the coaching. So what would Mac's excuse be? He hasn't been coached properly? It is Mac and his staff that's been the problem, it appears, and couple this with his poor gameplanning and coaching skills, and you have a true losing head coach.

 

[wierwolf]

Well put Stout!!!!

 

[Red Air Force]

Originally posted by Stout
This doesn't make sense. More and more, we're seeing our own PLAYERS go elsewhere and play well. What does that reflect upon, the coaching or the organization. Undeniably, the coaching. So what would Mac's excuse be? He hasn't been coached properly? It is Mac and his staff that's been the problem, it appears, and couple this with his poor gameplanning and coaching skills, and you have a true losing head coach.

Well put Stout, the owner can only affect who the team brings in, not how well they play on the field. It's true, we might have given up on Plummer too early, but only because we didn't give up on the coaches soon enough.

In the NFL you've got to be able to determine your choices, and pull the trigger...quickly. The longer we wait around for someone to "get to together", the more losing seasons we're gonna rack up.