Mello to the Knicks - RUMOR

[jagu]

Melo and Amare, wowza..that would be the worst forward defense in the NBA lol.

 

[Folster]

From what I read: The Nuggets are uspet that trade discussions with the Nets have not been kept private. The Nuggets were upset and issued a threat that if discussions didn't become private that they would trade Stoudemire to the Knicks. The threat if it even happened is ridiculous. The Nuggets are asking for the moon and and the stars from the Nets. The Knicks don't have draft picks and don't have the talent or aren't willing to give up the talent that Denver wants. Idle threat.

 

[jagu]

What a weird threat lol....

 

[AfroSuns]

The big question is, will Melo sign an extension with the Nets. According to what i have read and heard the Nets are confident he will, i think they are stupid to assume he will, if he wont do it before the trade. Melo wants to be in NY, unless they get some other big names to show him they will be competitive Melo will hop over to the Knicks.
But Hey, maybe their Russian owner have a special way of changing peoples mind, surely he didn't get to be a billionaire in Russia by playing Mr Nice .

 

[jagu]

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Could this be Carmelo's fate?

 

[carey]

Sure he is. As a freshman, he single handedly won an NCAA championship by leading his team to victories over three number one seeds (first time ever). Some revisionists will try and convince you that Miles Simon, Michael Dickerson, Jason Terry, AJ Bramlett, Donnell Harris, Lute Olson and others contributed but don't listen to them - I'm pretty sure they hear voices that no one else can hear.

Steve

Dickerson was a f'n stud. He was off to a really promising start as a pro too. Too bad he was ravaged by injuries that ruined his career. We all know the Jett turned out to be pretty good too. Of course I was a student at UofA from 94 to 98, and that may be coloring my view a bit.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Dickerson was a f'n stud. He was off to a really promising start as a pro too. Too bad he was ravaged by injuries that ruined his career. We all know the Jett turned out to be pretty good too. Of course I was a student at UofA from 94 to 98, and that may be coloring my view a bit.

I'm an ASU alum and I love everything Sun Devil but I have a soft spot for Wildcat basketball. I spent a lot of time in Tucson around the time Lute first came to town and I went to a lot of games his first few years. Somehow, I became a die hard Cat basketball fan (still am) but as a lifelong Sun Devil you'll never hear me say that publicly. Now, I have to rush off and create a new screen name. Who knows, If Dickerson had stayed healthy perhaps basketball in Vancouver would have lasted a little longer.

Steve

 

[carey]

I'm an ASU alum and I love everything Sun Devil but I have a soft spot for Wildcat basketball. I spent a lot of time in Tucson around the time Lute first came to town and I went to a lot of games his first few years. Somehow, I became a die hard Cat basketball fan (still am) but as a lifelong Sun Devil you'll never hear me say that publicly. Now, I have to rush off and create a new screen name. Who knows, If Dickerson had stayed healthy perhaps basketball in Vancouver would have lasted a little longer.

Steve

I'm not sure he was going to be a savior or anything, but he was going to be a solid solid pro. Think Rip Hamilton-esque.

I miss Cat basketball a lot and I'm so happy Miller is enjoying a good start to the season. They are 14-3 and under the radar. Largely because they haven't played anyone and the Pac-10 have had a couple down years. But I see them in the tournament for sure and possibly making some noise. Derrick Williams is a beast. People like to say rebounding is the stat that translates best to the pros and he's averaging 7 in 28 minutes. He's not Dejuan Blair, but he sure ain't Jordan Hill either.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm not sure he was going to be a savior or anything, but he was going to be a solid solid pro. Think Rip Hamilton-esque.

I miss Cat basketball a lot and I'm so happy Miller is enjoying a good start to the season. They are 14-3 and under the radar. Largely because they haven't played anyone and the Pac-10 have had a couple down years. But I see them in the tournament for sure and possibly making some noise. Derrick Williams is a beast. People like to say rebounding is the stat that translates best to the pros and he's averaging 7 in 28 minutes. He's not Dejuan Blair, but he sure ain't Jordan Hill either.

I love Suns basketball and don't care about Melo(on topic so I can sneak in some OT stuff). The Wildcats are under the radar because they should be under the radar. They haven't played well in several games despite their record. A close win at home against a Cal team that wasn't very good even before they lost two players was a scary sight to see. Miller is a great coach, IMO, but it will take at least another year (probably 2) for this team to return to excellence. And I think Williams will be better than Blair. The tourney is a possibility but right now, the Pac is probably only getting in 2 teams, 3 at most.

Steve

 

[carey]

Dang, I don't see any Cat games at all in New Orleans. It's like they are allergic to showing Pac-10 basketball on ESPN or FSN down here.

I figure if they win 23 or 24 games it will be really hard to keep them out and that's a possibility.

 

[Covert Rain]

I think Amare & Melo would be pretty damn formidable at least from an offensive perspective.

 

[desertdawg]

I think Amare & Melo would be pretty damn formidable at least from an offensive perspective.

Marion did pretty good with him.

 

[jandaman]

I agree with the thoughts of Melo and Stat not meshing as well together.

Both are not passers, nor play makers...

I mean, Wade and James struggled at the start, but now they found a compromise, with LeBron more of the play maker and Wade the scorer...


Melo and Stat are scorers... they get the ball... attack the rim... shoot mid range... outside of scoring and getting some rebounds they do not create for each other or others....



I think Knicks target Chris Paul... and call it a day... then a BIG MAN who can run and swat shots.

 

[cly2tw]

I see from fellow Suns fans comments why they preferred getting rid of Amare for cap: They don't see Amare's true value at all!

Amare is a great facilitator on offense moving without the ball, after perfecting his offensive positioning with Nash for so long and being such a force and threat if granted a little room on passes. That's why everybody on Knicks is playing so well all of a sudden, deemed losers from years past. His impact and effectiveness jumped to a new high in NY, also because they let him handle the ball a lot and allowed him to do a lot of turnovers in that role. Well, they had no other choice. Amare learned a lot from mistakes and become a lot more patient in that role than before. He is having a career high in assists. In today's win @Blazers, they ran several Turiaf/Felton P&R with Amare staying in the corner. Camby couldn't help out on Turiaf's screen and drive quick enough. etc.

In a nut shell, after playing with Nash so long, Amare would mesh well with any dominant player with his offball movements. But Dudley was right in pointing out that it'd be better for him to remain the single focus of NY's offense for a little longer, to perfect his game in that role he never had consistent chance working on back in Phx.

 

[jagu]

Why are we still talking about Amare? He's gone so that's the end of it. We weren't winning anything with here so what's the big deal?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Why are we still talking about Amare? He's gone so that's the end of it. We weren't winning anything with here so what's the big deal?

Just wondering, what should we talk about? Should we talk about the sad state of affairs that is Suns basketball. Should we talk about the decisions that led us to this situation? Should we then pretend that the Amare decision is not one of those decisions? Lastly, is this board really so active that it can't afford a few conversations that include Amare. It looks pretty dead around here to me.

As for not winning anything with Amare here, could you be more myopic? Has your Amare hatred blinded you to what's going on here. This franchise is sinking quickly. What ever we were winning with Amare was a heck of a lot better than what we're doing now. Especially because our biggest asset was allowed to walk for nothing. I'm not sure who's fault that is but I've decided to blame you for it.

Steve

 

[jagu]

Just wondering, what should we talk about? Should we talk about the sad state of affairs that is Suns basketball. Should we talk about the decisions that led us to this situation? Should we then pretend that the Amare decision is not one of those decisions? Lastly, is this board really so active that it can't afford a few conversations that include Amare. It looks pretty dead around here to me.

As for not winning anything with Amare here, could you be more myopic? Has your Amare hatred blinded you to what's going on here. This franchise is sinking quickly. What ever we were winning with Amare was a heck of a lot better than what we're doing now. Especially because our biggest asset was allowed to walk for nothing. I'm not sure who's fault that is but I've decided to blame you for it.

Steve

I don't hate Amare as most of you here think. I know he is a terrific offensive player but I don't see a Nash/Amare team ever winning a championship with Phoenix so I was okay to let him go, especially with his knees. At the end of last season I wanted two guys to hit the road, Amare and Frye. Sadly one of them returned and ownership added more mediocre talent to put us in the state we are in. If they were willing to spend big money on Amare for 3 (guaranteed) years, then the Suns should have looked into acquiring a replacement for him with less health concerns. I guess that is what they were trying to do with Warrick but clearly he has not performed up to what a lot of us expected from him. You could blame me for it lol, I can care less! For all the talk of Amare and his greatness, flash back into the Lakers series, 8 rebounds in the last 3 games COM-freaking-BINED) with some of the worst forward defense you will ever see and tell me if your going to win a championship, even with him on the floor this year. Hell no.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't hate Amare as most of you here think. I know he is a terrific offensive player but I don't see a Nash/Amare team ever winning a championship with Phoenix so I was okay to let him go, especially with his knees. At the end of last season I wanted two guys to hit the road, Amare and Frye. Sadly one of them returned and ownership added more mediocre talent to put us in the state we are in. If they were willing to spend big money on Amare for 3 (guaranteed) years, then the Suns should have looked into acquiring a replacement for him with less health concerns. I guess that is what they were trying to do with Warrick but clearly he has not performed up to what a lot of us expected from him. You could blame me for it lol, I can care less! For all the talk of Amare and his greatness, flash back into the Lakers series, 8 rebounds in the last 3 games COM-freaking-BINED) with some of the worst forward defense you will ever see and tell me if your going to win a championship, even with him on the floor this year. Hell no.

Sorry, but I had to go there. It's too late to blame the Dot-com meltdown and all the other quality scapegoats have already been taken.

Steve
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[devilalum]

I hate this guy. I hope the Nuggets hang on to him and just let him play out the year. Chances are it would cost him about $25 million or so since the new CBA will probably allow a smaller contract than he can get now. This is why his agent is calling everybody trying to broker a deal.

 

[mojorizen7]

D'Antoni-ball will never win anything important,dont care who's on the roster.

He was brought to NY to excite and reinvigorate the fanbase. He's done that.

 

[AzStevenCal]

D'Antoni-ball will never win anything important,dont care who's on the roster.

He was brought to NY to excite and reinvigorate the fanbase. He's done that.

I disagree. It's harder to win in the post-season playing his style but I believe it can be done and it was just a fluke that it hasn't already been done. Add Carmelo, Chris Paul and a mobile defensive center and I think they'd have an excellent chance even in today's NBA. I'd give them an outside chance to do it in the next few years if they just add Carmelo and continue to develop their own players.

Now, if you ask me if I think it will be done, probably not. It's difficult to win an NBA championship, you need a fair amount of luck. If you're an up-tempo team that plays little to no defense, you need even more luck. I do believe that he has a better chance of getting that lucky in New York than anywhere else.

Steve

 

[95pro]

I disagree. It's harder to win in the post-season playing his style but I believe it can be done and it was just a fluke that it hasn't already been done. Add Carmelo, Chris Paul and a mobile defensive center and I think they'd have an excellent chance even in today's NBA. I'd give them an outside chance to do it in the next few years if they just add Carmelo and continue to develop their own players.

Now, if you ask me if I think it will be done, probably not. It's difficult to win an NBA championship, you need a fair amount of luck. If you're an up-tempo team that plays little to no defense, you need even more luck. I do believe that he has a better chance of getting that lucky in New York than anywhere else.

Steve

shoot we were close a couple of times, winning it all.
just some things didnt go our way...

 

[BC867]

shoot we were close a couple of times, winning it all.
just some things didnt go our way...

Like a 7-man rotation which wore out the team come the playoffs. Or no defense or rebounding. Yup.

D'Antoni is great at providing excitement during the regular season, but not for the full run.

Things tend to go your way when you plan for the occasion. You make your own luck. A gimmick team in the post-season leaves you short. As we've seen over and over.

 

[Chaplin]

Like a 7-man rotation which wore out the team come the playoffs. Or no defense or rebounding. Yup.

D'Antoni is great at providing excitement during the regular season, but not for the full run.

Things tend to go your way when you plan for the occasion. You make your own luck. A gimmick team in the post-season leaves you short. As we've seen over and over.

Actually, our best chances in the past 10 years were squandered because of injuries to Joe Johnson and Raja Bell and suspensions.

 

[BC867]

Actually, our best chances in the past 10 years were squandered because of injuries to Joe Johnson and Raja Bell and suspensions.

This is true. But teams hoping to luck into a championship, rather than having the muscle to be favored, are prone to that.

A balanced 8- or 9-man rotation with strength in reserve has a better chance of weathering bad breaks. Unfortunately, that has not been the Suns' MO.