Michael Floyd

[ajcardfan]

I've never seen an April Fool's joke taken so seriously before. I guess that is the offseason for ya.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Maybe, but I think that John Brown's contract is up the following season. I don't know if we want to invest $14M a season in WRs.

If it becomes choosing between the two, I think you pay Floyd. I still think we'll find a way to keep both of them.

 

[Russ Smith]

If it becomes choosing between the two, I think you pay Floyd. I still think we'll find a way to keep both of them.

The interesting thing is they're the same age but Floyd has 4 years to Brown's 2.

Brown is faster and IMO does a great job of drawing coverage that frees up other guys. Brown was better last year, same number of games more catches more yards more TD's. Floyd was hurt early in the year but Brown struggled with Hammies throughout the year. If you pick Floyd IMO it's because Brown is a speed guy and you're concerned those hammies will be a problem for his future too.

Both guys drop balls, Floyd makes some absolutely unreal catches, and then drops balls right in his hands. Brown did some of that last year too. Floyd a better blocker.

What's surprising is as Mitch said, Brown is actually better after the catch than Floyd is despite his size.

Ideally you can keep them both when Fitz retires but if it were me and both were healthy I'd probably keep Brown because he's so fast he draws lots of help.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Ideally you can keep them both when Fitz retires but if it were me and both were healthy I'd probably keep Brown because he's so fast he draws lots of help.

Yeah, it's not an obvious choice by any stretch of the imagination. I'd be more hesitant to stick with Smokey, mainly because he is just so small. I feel like Floyd has a better chance of continuing to thrive because of his size.

Either way, I have a feeling the FO will figure it out and hopefully render this discussion moot.

 

[kerouac9]

The interesting thing is they're the same age but Floyd has 4 years to Brown's 2.

Brown is faster and IMO does a great job of drawing coverage that frees up other guys. Brown was better last year, same number of games more catches more yards more TD's. Floyd was hurt early in the year but Brown struggled with Hammies throughout the year. If you pick Floyd IMO it's because Brown is a speed guy and you're concerned those hammies will be a problem for his future too.

Both guys drop balls, Floyd makes some absolutely unreal catches, and then drops balls right in his hands. Brown did some of that last year too. Floyd a better blocker.

What's surprising is as Mitch said, Brown is actually better after the catch than Floyd is despite his size.

Ideally you can keep them both when Fitz retires but if it were me and both were healthy I'd probably keep Brown because he's so fast he draws lots of help.

John Brown played 180 more snaps than Floyd did last year — that's more than a few games' worth.

I think the other problematic thing about keeping both of them is that Fitz is going to blow a $10M hole in the salary cap after his contract voids next year. I think that the more likely scenario is Fitz extends for 2 seasons at about $8M per year (fully guaranteed), which sets his cap number at about $13M for those seasons, and Floyd walks for a $50M deal. The Cards'll happily accept the compensatory third-rounder.

The other other difference between Floyd and Brown is the starting point. Floyd is making over $7M this season on the team option — that'll be the starting point for an extension. John Brown has another year at $817K after this one. Brown would likely jump at a $10M extension; Floyd would laugh at one.

Strategically, I think that Arians offense thrives with a bigger WR on the outside like Floyd. He's the target on third down to move the chains. Although what do I know? Bruce did pretty well with Hines Ward, Mike Wallace, and Emmanuel Sanders in Pittsburgh, then Donnie Avery and T.Y. Hilton in Indy.

 

[Russ Smith]

John Brown played 180 more snaps than Floyd did last year — that's more than a few games' worth.

I think the other problematic thing about keeping both of them is that Fitz is going to blow a $10M hole in the salary cap after his contract voids next year. I think that the more likely scenario is Fitz extends for 2 seasons at about $8M per year (fully guaranteed), which sets his cap number at about $13M for those seasons, and Floyd walks for a $50M deal. The Cards'll happily accept the compensatory third-rounder.

The other other difference between Floyd and Brown is the starting point. Floyd is making over $7M this season on the team option — that'll be the starting point for an extension. John Brown has another year at $817K after this one. Brown would likely jump at a $10M extension; Floyd would laugh at one.

Strategically, I think that Arians offense thrives with a bigger WR on the outside like Floyd. He's the target on third down to move the chains. Although what do I know? Bruce did pretty well with Hines Ward, Mike Wallace, and Emmanuel Sanders in Pittsburgh, then Donnie Avery and T.Y. Hilton in Indy.

Was the snaps because of injury or because Brown was better? I honestly don't know seemed even when Floyd was healthy he didn't play as much.

Brown actually had more catches for first downs than Floyd did but obviously played more.

They are both frustrating because just when you think they're going to be a big star they have a couple of meh games.

Floyd has figured it out his first 2 years he drove me nuts with his inability to lineup and remember plays etc.

Both fit the offense well.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

My feeble attempt at an April Fool's joke.

Next year....announce you've become 49'ers fan.

 

[kerouac9]

Was the snaps because of injury or because Brown was better? I honestly don't know seemed even when Floyd was healthy he didn't play as much.

Brown actually had more catches for first downs than Floyd did but obviously played more.

They are both frustrating because just when you think they're going to be a big star they have a couple of meh games.

Floyd has figured it out his first 2 years he drove me nuts with his inability to lineup and remember plays etc.

Both fit the offense well.

I did a quick analysis of the snaps for Brown vs. Floyd. Brown was consistently on the field more than Floyd when they were healthy, but only for a handful of snaps. I think that Floyd is fighting for snaps with Fitz in 2WR sets, which is likely the difference in the snap count.

 

[Chopper0080]

Maybe, but I think that John Brown's contract is up the following season. I don't know if we want to invest $14M a season in WRs.

This is the question.