Michael Floyd's big day

[JeffGollin]

I'm beginning to think our WR's as a group are overrated.

They have trouble escaping tight coverage. It's either due to running soft routes, tipping off routes, not exploding out of cuts or all of the above.

They either need to respond to better coaching or we need to pick up a couple guys explosive enough to separate.

Maybe both.

 

[WildBB]

That big game allowed Floyd to finish the season #3 among 1st and 2nd round rookie WRs.

Blackmon was #1 with 64 catches 865 yards and 5 TDs. Wright was #2 with 64 catches 626 yards and 4 TDs and Floyd next at 45-562-2. Alshon Jeffery was next with 24-367-3.

The rest of the guys were all about the same production except of course for Jenkins who was a no show for 2012.

That's not bad for not having a real NFL QB after the 6th game until Hoyer salvaged the last game some.

 

[MadCardDisease]

If Floyd dedicates himself to learning the offense he might be good. However with a new OC coming in he will most likely have to start from scratch. I think that will set him back a year. He doesn't seem to pick up the offense that fast.

 

[WildBB]

I'm beginning to think our WR's as a group are overrated.

They have trouble escaping tight coverage. It's either due to running soft routes, tipping off routes, not exploding out of cuts or all of the above.

They either need to respond to better coaching or we need to pick up a couple guys explosive enough to separate.

Maybe both.

So your saying, trade Fitz right....

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I'm beginning to think our WR's as a group are overrated.

They have trouble escaping tight coverage. It's either due to running soft routes, tipping off routes, not exploding out of cuts or all of the above.

They either need to respond to better coaching or we need to pick up a couple guys explosive enough to separate.

Maybe both.

No, it's that a large part of picking up big chunks of yards in today's NFL is what scouts refer to as quarterbacks throwing their receivers open. Our QBs including Kolbcussion are so bad that nobody can adequately judge our receivers this year.

And like someone said 45/562/2 ain't bad for a mid-round rookie even if there was hypothetically a relatively stable QB situation.

 

[JeffGollin]

So your saying, trade Fitz right....

Last time I checked, we were carrying 5 or 6 receivers. Fitz was just one of them. That the other 4 or 5 weren't getting it done is no knock on Fitz. But, to our shock and dismay, we discovered that Fitz alone couldn't carry the entire passing game.

And while we're at it, a few choice words about poor pass blocking not giving our receivers enough time to get open.

It is what it is.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Last time I checked, we were carrying 5 or 6 receivers. Fitz was just one of them. That the other 4 or 5 weren't getting it done is no knock on Fitz. But, to our shock and dismay, we discovered that Fitz alone couldn't carry the entire passing game.

You're really blaming the WR's not putting up numbers when the QB's throwing the ball couldn't start for most BCS conference schools?

 

[Duckjake]

So your saying, trade Fitz right....

I know you are kidding but Jeff is correct. Fitz overcomes his inability to get open with an alien like ability to catch the football. Now they've added Floyd who is Fitz jr. Can't get open but makes great catches. Roberts has been better than expected but he also has trouble getting separation.

You just can't ask your QB to constantly be throwing into tight coverage. This is just speculation on my part but it could be the reason we were thinking the QBs/coaches were forcing the ball to Larry. The QBs figure if no one is open throw it to Fitz where it has the best chance for a completion.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Ah yes, I recall everyone complaining about Larry and Anquan's "separation" issues in the McCown/gloveless Kurt days. how they could not play together and succeed since neither was a deep threat. Then Kurt found his magic gloves and those issues disappeared.

Larry ain't the problem. Nor is Floyd.

 

[CtCardinals78]

I'm looking forward to seeing Floyd's development and his play next year. He really finished the year strong and should only get better. I hope the Cards implement a WCO next year.

 

[Duckjake]

Ah yes, I recall everyone complaining about Larry and Anquan's "separation" issues in the McCown/gloveless Kurt days. how they could not play together and succeed since neither was a deep threat. Then Kurt found his magic gloves and those issues disappeared.

Larry ain't the problem. Nor is Floyd.

Well actually Kurt Warner said that he had to learn that open for Fitzgerald wasn't open for normal people and to go ahead and throw him the ball even though he wasn't getting any separation from the DBs.

Watch the all-22 film. You'll see how seldom the Cards have wr's with good separation compared to other teams. It was worse because when the Cards did have a guy open the QBs would miss them.

I'm just not convinced that all the Cardinals offensive problems were the result of poor QB play. The offensive line was poor, the RBs didn't run well, and the receivers had trouble not only getting open but getting off press coverage as well.

 

[Russ Smith]

My concern with Floyd is roughly a 3rd of his production was in the last 2 games.

Maybe the light came on, maybe the last 2 games against teams who had the games won and were basically just playing out the game were misleading.

He had 14 catches for 213 yards and a TD in those 2 games 45 562 2 overall. So so 38% of his yards this year were in the last 2 games of the season.

His main issue is knowing the offense, hopefully after this year he'll get that and work much harder next year so he's got that down. As Madcard said with a new coach it's going to be a new offense.

 

[WildBB]

I know you are kidding but Jeff is correct. Fitz overcomes his inability to get open with an alien like ability to catch the football. Now they've added Floyd who is Fitz jr. Can't get open but makes great catches. Roberts has been better than expected but he also has trouble getting separation.

You just can't ask your QB to constantly be throwing into tight coverage. This is just speculation on my part but it could be the reason we were thinking the QBs/coaches were forcing the ball to Larry. The QBs figure if no one is open throw it to Fitz where it has the best chance for a completion.

So Skelton and Lindley actually had a thought process out there?....amazing!

 

[Duckjake]

So Skelton and Lindley actually had a thought process out there?....amazing!

It's a simple thought process actually so even Skelton and Lindley could do it. " OK now I count one thousand one, one thousand, then either duck or throw it to Larry."

 

[WildBB]

It's a simple thought process actually so even Skelton and Lindley could do it. " OK now I count one thousand one, one thousand, then either duck or throw it to Larry."

 

[AzKarl]

Sorry you don't know what you are talking about

He does not have great hands. I don't know where that is coming from. He is too much of a body catcher. I think he will improve, but lets not make stuff up. He is at best a #2 on a team that doesn't have many offensive weapons.


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I watched every one of his games at Notre Dame and he catches virtually everything with his hands. I would in no way classify him as a body catcher. I would suggest his biggest weakness is sight adjusting and that has everything to do with our screwed up QB situation. Even the great Larry Fitzgerald would go a different way than most of our QB's were going. That means no rhythm or synchronization and given the sad state of our QB play not surprising.

 

[Russ Smith]

I watched every one of his games at Notre Dame and he catches virtually everything with his hands. I would in no way classify him as a body catcher. I would suggest his biggest weakness is sight adjusting and that has everything to do with our screwed up QB situation. Even the great Larry Fitzgerald would go a different way than most of our QB's were going. That means no rhythm or synchronization and given the sad state of our QB play not surprising.

Floyd had more problems with routes and lining up etc than the rest of the WR's and TE's combined. he's a rookie there's a learning curve but he was extremely slow at picking up the offense. A cynic would suggest that's why VERY early on we were being told not to expect much from Floyd early, that he might be #4 for quite awhile. At the time we all debated that but with Fitz, Roberts and Doucet people said well he's the new guy they're established. Looking back it's pretty clear the reason that stuff was being said is the Cards had already seen enough to realize he wasn't the fastest learner in the world and they were expecting it would take him awhile.



The guy has talent but it was very apparent all year he didn't know the offense, lining up wrong, running the wrong routes etc. He is terrific on balls in the air, goes up and snatches them out of the air high up with his hands. It's the balls thrown directly to him he struggles with and often because he lets them get into his body.

He got better all year, people reported repeatedly that he was making sensational catches in practice regularly.

Hopefully he learned what a lot of rookies do, that it takes a whole different type of dedication in the NFL and he'll learn the offense faster next year and have a big year. He clearly has talent.

 

[Duckjake]

The guy has talent but it was very apparent all year he didn't know the offense, lining up wrong, running the wrong routes etc. He is terrific on balls in the air, goes up and snatches them out of the air high up with his hands. It's the balls thrown directly to him he struggles with and often because he lets them get into his body.

It's Frank Sanders!

Seriously though I could live with Floyd being as productive as Frank was playing #2 to Moore and then Boston. But hopefully not as frustrating.

 

[Russ Smith]

before the Bears game a Chicago paper had a story on Floyd with quotes from him and Fitz. Both said the same thing, Floyd was amazed at the difference in game speed from preseason to regular season, found out the hard way in preseason guys are trying to not get hurt, totally different in real games.

Said he learned he has to do all the little things, has to focus on the details what he's supposed to do, where he's supposed to be, until it's 2nd nature and he can just play.

Fitz said he's working hard, getting better at routes, always a good blocker, didn't get down during the season. Seemed to get he's a rookie and there's a big learning curve and he needs to learn just how hard you have to work to get there like all rookies do.

You can't read a story about Floyd this year without them mentioning route running, lining up correctly, or both. It's really obvious what he needs to work on and I'm sure he will.

Does have talent.

 

[kerouac9]

Ah yes, I recall everyone complaining about Larry and Anquan's "separation" issues in the McCown/gloveless Kurt days. how they could not play together and succeed since neither was a deep threat. Then Kurt found his magic gloves and those issues disappeared.

Larry ain't the problem. Nor is Floyd.

Yup. The problem was the quarterbacks. Between Lindley and Skelton, we weren't running routes that terminated more than 15 yards downfield. It's really, really easy to defend against an offense that is terrified to send anyone deep.

With a legitimate NFL quarterback, we'll have a better handle on ALL FOUR of our top WRs. But can we nip in the bud the discussion that the bottom of the roster players are going to be even better than Stephen "baby Randy Mos" Williams was?