Michigan hires West Virginia's Rich Rodriguez as next coach

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I just read that same article LV I was going to post it here but you beat me to it.

The one that surprised me was the textbook thing, my understanding is players use scholarship funds to buy textbooks so if they're allowed to sell them back (not for full price of course) they're essentially getting scholarship money as spending money. I wasn't aware that was the case but if it is common you can sure understand why not doing it would be a huge disadvantage to WVU? It's basically saying if you play somewhere else you'll get spending money that you won't get at WVU. That's a big incentive in recruiting all other things being somewhat equal.
 

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I just read that same article LV I was going to post it here but you beat me to it.

The one that surprised me was the textbook thing, my understanding is players use scholarship funds to buy textbooks so if they're allowed to sell them back (not for full price of course) they're essentially getting scholarship money as spending money. I wasn't aware that was the case but if it is common you can sure understand why not doing it would be a huge disadvantage to WVU? It's basically saying if you play somewhere else you'll get spending money that you won't get at WVU. That's a big incentive in recruiting all other things being somewhat equal.

There are now other articles quoting the AD and President that say all of the things listed in the article had been agreed too and RichRod was just trying to make excuses to leave. I dont know....I am baffled by this!
 

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There are now other articles quoting the AD and President that say all of the things listed in the article had been agreed too and RichRod was just trying to make excuses to leave. I dont know....I am baffled by this!

There is a story out today that says Rodriguez was recruiting one of the top QB prospects in the country to WVU. BEFORE he told WVU he was taking the UM job, he called that recruit and told him to consider going to Michigan. The kid had WVU in his final 5 list at the time, but not UM.

If this is true it's reprehensible, you haven't even notified your current employer and team you're leaving and you're already contacting recruits and telling them hey follow me to Michigan?
 

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It's simple, really. Don't complicate it with stuff that doesn't matter, whether true or not.

Morgantown or Ann Arbor? Ask your wife and kids. discussion over.
 

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There is a story out today that says Rodriguez was recruiting one of the top QB prospects in the country to WVU. BEFORE he told WVU he was taking the UM job, he called that recruit and told him to consider going to Michigan. The kid had WVU in his final 5 list at the time, but not UM.

If this is true it's reprehensible, you haven't even notified your current employer and team you're leaving and you're already contacting recruits and telling them hey follow me to Michigan?

Yep Tyrelle Pryor. He said RichRod told him at 10am that morning that he was leaving for michigan. He didnt tell the team until 130pm. Another recruit, Josh Jenkins, claimed that he told him that morning as well and tried to convince him to go to Michigan too.

He is a scumbag!
 

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I kinda feel bad about this since I am a Michigan fan(I was born there) and I'm unsure about who you should be mad at since WVU's AD let their mens basketball coach go to Michigan aswell and the noted problems between Rich and their AD so IMO he did the right thing in leaving(if you aren't happy there then why stay?) but it was wrong of him to leave the way he did. But on the other hand I'm exicted for what he brings to Michigan because of his offense and his ablity to bring in talented prospects which can only help the school and ontop of that the chance of landing Pryor here would be great after watching somebody of that caliber run all over them during the Rose Bowl a few years ago(yes I'm talking about VY and Pryor is as close as you can get to him). I'm sorry WVU fans Michigan stole your coaches and I'm afraid your AD should be the one to blame for the fallout.
 
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Yep Tyrelle Pryor. He said RichRod told him at 10am that morning that he was leaving for michigan. He didnt tell the team until 130pm. Another recruit, Josh Jenkins, claimed that he told him that morning as well and tried to convince him to go to Michigan too.

He is a scumbag!

Wow I didn't know it was Pryor, he's also a touted basketball recruit I know there are some Pac 10 schools trying to get him with the idea he might play both sports.

Yeah that just bugs me to no end that he's pulling that stuff before he tells his own team.
 

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Yep Tyrelle Pryor. He said RichRod told him at 10am that morning that he was leaving for michigan. He didnt tell the team until 130pm. Another recruit, Josh Jenkins, claimed that he told him that morning as well and tried to convince him to go to Michigan too.

He is a scumbag!

Why does it matter? Coaches recruit players to play for them. If a recruit is going to a school because of tradition , he/she will go there in spite of the coach. Recruits who want to play for a coach because of style, scheme, or adulation will follow the coach. Coaches are successful based on their ability to recruit. Letter of Intent doesn't come until Feb. 2008, so no player is locked in. Rich Rodriguez didn't invent the process. I have no idea what the timeline has to do with anything and I sure as hell don't give immediate credibility to a statement made by a 17/18 year old recruit who might change his mind 5 times before LOI day. Ever since ESPN started highlighting the " hat switching game" on LOI day I have lost my appetite for recruiting info. You know the game where some Prima Donna recruit puts 5 hats on a table in front of a camera with the cameras rolling while he teases the crowd with " which one will it be ".
 

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Wow I didn't know it was Pryor, he's also a touted basketball recruit I know there are some Pac 10 schools trying to get him with the idea he might play both sports.

Yeah that just bugs me to no end that he's pulling that stuff before he tells his own team.

Only Pac 10 team on his list, as far as I see, is Oregon. To be fair though, he has switched his top 5 schools list 4 times in the last month. Who knows what he is doing. It is the principal that bother me.

I dont knwo who to blame in this situation. The AD or Richrod, all I know is the way he left, called recruits, resigned via sticky note handed to the AD through a Graduate Assistant, is classless. He wont be at Michigan very long if you ask me. He wants to coach in the SEC, so either he does well at Michigan (which the only way that will happen immediatly is if Pryor goes with him-UM doesnt have the QB to run the spread right now) or he bombs out and ends up in the WAC or something.

Either way this guys gives coaching a bad name and I am happy he is gone.

Oh, and WVU didnt care that much about Beilein. Knew he would leave; he hasnt stayed at a program more than a few years in his career.
 

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Why does it matter? Coaches recruit players to play for them. If a recruit is going to a school because of tradition , he/she will go there in spite of the coach. Recruits who want to play for a coach because of style, scheme, or adulation will follow the coach. Coaches are successful based on their ability to recruit. Letter of Intent doesn't come until Feb. 2008, so no player is locked in. Rich Rodriguez didn't invent the process. I have no idea what the timeline has to do with anything and I sure as hell don't give immediate credibility to a statement made by a 17/18 year old recruit who might change his mind 5 times before LOI day. Ever since ESPN started highlighting the " hat switching game" on LOI day I have lost my appetite for recruiting info. You know the game where some Prima Donna recruit puts 5 hats on a table in front of a camera with the cameras rolling while he teases the crowd with " which one will it be ".

To me it matters because WVU presumably has a recruiting budget and RR was using their recruiting budget to recruit Pryor. To come in now and say hey forget WVU go to Michigan, seems wrong to me?
 

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To me it matters because WVU presumably has a recruiting budget and RR was using their recruiting budget to recruit Pryor. To come in now and say hey forget WVU go to Michigan, seems wrong to me?

I know what you are saying and I appreciate your opinion. I just have a lower opinion of the whole recruiting process and don't expect anything much more than this.

i.e. I tuned into an Oregon State game last night and there was C. J. Giles in a Beaver suit. This must be the 3rd school he has jerked around and it is more common than rare.

Miami > Kansas > Oregon State ??????????
 

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I know what you are saying and I appreciate your opinion. I just have a lower opinion of the whole recruiting process and don't expect anything much more than this.

i.e. I tuned into an Oregon State game last night and there was C. J. Giles in a Beaver suit. This must be the 3rd school he has jerked around and it is more common than rare.

Miami > Kansas > Oregon State ??????????

Oh believe me I totally agree on recruiting. And yeah Giles is a piece of work.

Recruiting sucks, I guess I'm drawing a line between shady recruiting for one team and shady recruiting by a coach that's extended beyond just one school?

Believe me I'd love to go back to the days of believing kids pick schools for all the right reasons instead of knowing how often it's because of some 3rd party situation.

The naive recruit stuff just seems to be a thing of the past.

LV yes it was Oregon that was recruiting Pryor for both sports, for some reason i was thinking USC was too but I looked and they're not.
 

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Only Pac 10 team on his list, as far as I see, is Oregon. To be fair though, he has switched his top 5 schools list 4 times in the last month. Who knows what he is doing. It is the principal that bother me.

I dont knwo who to blame in this situation. The AD or Richrod, all I know is the way he left, called recruits, resigned via sticky note handed to the AD through a Graduate Assistant, is classless. He wont be at Michigan very long if you ask me. He wants to coach in the SEC, so either he does well at Michigan (which the only way that will happen immediatly is if Pryor goes with him-UM doesnt have the QB to run the spread right now) or he bombs out and ends up in the WAC or something.

Either way this guys gives coaching a bad name and I am happy he is gone.

Oh, and WVU didnt care that much about Beilein. Knew he would leave; he hasnt stayed at a program more than a few years in his career.
Some seem to forget that while Rich was at Tulane he went 12-0 using Shaun King so I'm pretty sure he won't need a fast qb to run his system and the reason why he used the spread option system to play into his players strengths...nothing against Pat White or Steve Slaton but weren't they just 2 and 3 star prospects coming out of HS?
 

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Wally, I'm with you. Many recruits choose a coach to play for, not a school.

Rodriguez isn't a scum, no matter how hard WVU people try to scumify him. Come on, the guy is a college coach in the middle of his career, right at that critical time when he may or may not get the opportunity to maximize his earning potential and professional legacy.

He got the opportunity and took it. Good for him.

And let's be honest here. If Rodriguez did an about-face today, backed out of the Michigan job and asked WVU to take him back, he'd be welcomed back as a savior, suddenly descumified.

Get over it Mountaineers, if a guy doesn't want your job, you are better off without him.
 

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Wally, I'm with you. Many recruits choose a coach to play for, not a school.

Rodriguez isn't a scum, no matter how hard WVU people try to scumify him. Come on, the guy is a college coach in the middle of his career, right at that critical time when he may or may not get the opportunity to maximize his earning potential and professional legacy.

He got the opportunity and took it. Good for him.

And let's be honest here. If Rodriguez did an about-face today, backed out of the Michigan job and asked WVU to take him back, he'd be welcomed back as a savior, suddenly descumified.

Get over it Mountaineers, if a guy doesn't want your job, you are better off without him.
So right you are. Sorta like Billy Donovan at Gatorland.
 

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Some seem to forget that while Rich was at Tulane he went 12-0 using Shaun King so I'm pretty sure he won't need a fast qb to run his system and the reason why he used the spread option system to play into his players strengths...nothing against Pat White or Steve Slaton but weren't they just 2 and 3 star prospects coming out of HS?

He did use Shaun King but that wasn't the same type of offense he ran at Tulane. He runs a read option at WVU where White made the decision on whether to hand off or to keep it himself.

I still dont think Mallett is able to run that type of offense. He is a pure drop back QB. Even Shaun King had some mobility. Frankly, it doesnt matter to me. Good luck with him as your coach. Just dont be suprised when he jumps ship for LSU or Auburn, or even Florida State. The guy is a scum bag, ego driven coach who cares about himself and NOT the institution. Him talking about Michgan tradition in the press conference was a joke. He could care less.

Slaton and White were both recruited. White recruited by LSU, AUburn, Florida, etc. The problem was they wouldnt promise him a shot at playing QB. WVU did.

Slaton was offered scholarships from Maryland, Virgina, North Carolina, and Pitt.

It doesnt matter what "star" rating you are. Coaches recruit athletes who fit well in their systems. Beilien is a system coach as well and michigan has better BBall recruits than WVU-How is that working out for you this year? :D
 

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Wally, I'm with you. Many recruits choose a coach to play for, not a school.

Rodriguez isn't a scum, no matter how hard WVU people try to scumify him. Come on, the guy is a college coach in the middle of his career, right at that critical time when he may or may not get the opportunity to maximize his earning potential and professional legacy.

He got the opportunity and took it. Good for him.

And let's be honest here. If Rodriguez did an about-face today, backed out of the Michigan job and asked WVU to take him back, he'd be welcomed back as a savior, suddenly descumified.

Get over it Mountaineers, if a guy doesn't want your job, you are better off without him.

He is scum. You dont think the things I have pointed out are bad ? Then I cant change your mind.

Taking recruits with him - Violation of NCAA rules
Resigning via post-it note through a GA?
Yelling at the media for daring to ask him about his potential move?
Telling recruits before he met with the team?

And you couldnt be more wrong about being welcomed back. No way will WVU ever welcome him back. Hell they are fighting tooth-and-nail on the $4million buyout.

I hate to "drop names" but I know some major college football coaches. And they all have integrity and think what RichRod did was disgusting and beyond reproach. In the coaching community he has always been looked at as a bit of an Ass but now he is being looked at in a different light all together.

I have no problem coaches leaving. It is part of the business, but show some class -especially to the school you are an alumni of-when you do it. WVU gave him his big shot and then he turns around a knifes them in the back.
 

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Please!

It's great how you think Rodriguez was given something by WVU. Rodriguez made that program they didn't make him. Sure he is an Alumni but so was Les Miles and he didn't budge. Coaches are going to go where the money is as well as the best opportunity. Michigan has the most wins of any school in college football and plays in a prestigious bowl game year in and year out(even with 4 losses they still played and beat Florida) not to mention the number of nationally televised games and the best rivalry in college football. Go ahead and bag on him for doing what you think is "wrong", but if he came to your school you'd be happy as a West Virginian with his sister!!!! Oh yeah "big shot", what coaches do you so called not want to "name drop"
 
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It's great how you think Rodriguez was given something by WVU. Rodriguez made that program they didn't make him. Sure he is an Alumni but so was Les Miles and he didn't budge. Coaches are going to go where the money is as well as the best opportunity. Michigan has the most wins of any school in college football and plays in a prestigious bowl game year in and year out(even with 4 losses they still played and beat Florida) not to mention the number of nationally televised games and the best rivalry in college football. Go ahead and bag on him for doing what you think is "wrong", but if he came to your school you'd be happy as a West Virginian with his sister!!!! Oh yeah "big shot", what coaches do you so called not want to "name drop"


Wow that sister thing was original...work on that long sparky?:lame:

I have already rehashed this over and over to people on this board. I have nothing more to say other than WVU did give RR something. His name is Pat White and he made RR.

Oh and the Capitol One bowl is prestigious? :biglaugh: How the mighty have fallen!
 

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It's great how you think Rodriguez was given something by WVU. Rodriguez made that program they didn't make him. Sure he is an Alumni but so was Les Miles and he didn't budge. Coaches are going to go where the money is as well as the best opportunity. Michigan has the most wins of any school in college football and plays in a prestigious bowl game year in and year out(even with 4 losses they still played and beat Florida) not to mention the number of nationally televised games and the best rivalry in college football. Go ahead and bag on him for doing what you think is "wrong", but if he came to your school you'd be happy as a West Virginian with his sister!!!! Oh yeah "big shot", what coaches do you so called not want to "name drop"

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IMO these WRs are not making a wise decision. They could flourish in RR's system. Right now Manningham is, at best, a 2nd/3rd round pick. He should be as lucky as Ginn Jr.

Mallett is a TE waiting to happen.


Michigan Expects to Lose WRs Manningham, Arrington and QB Mallett


Jan 8, 9:12 PM (ET)

By LARRY LAGE

ANN ARBOR, Mich. (AP) - Rich Rodriguez does not expect to coach wide receivers Mario Manningham and Adrian Arrington or quarterback Ryan Mallett at Michigan.

Manningham and Arrington will skip their senior seasons and Mallett will transfer, according to Rodriguez.

"Those are the indications I've gotten," Rodriguez told The Associated Press on Tuesday night. "I've talked to all three at various times recently. I talked to Adrian today, and he told me he's leaning toward going pro.

"We wish all of them the best."

When told what Rodriguez said, Jim Mallett insisted his son has not made a decision.

"Coach knows more than I do, I guess," Jim Mallett told the AP.

Rodriguez later told reporters Manningham and Mallett did not attend a team meeting Monday.

Manningham might be a first-round pick after catching 72 passes for 1,174 yards and 12 touchdowns and running 19 times for 119 yards and a score last season. The 6-foot, 178-pound native of Ohio had 65 receptions for 1,136 yards and 15 touchdowns during his first two seasons for the Wolverines.

Arrington caught 67 passes for 882 yards and eight touchdowns last season. The 6-3, 195-pound native of Iowa had nine receptions for 153 yards and two scores in Michigan's 41-35 Capital One Bowl victory over Florida.

Mallett played in 11 games as a freshman, filling in for Chad Henne when he was injured. He was 61-of-141 for 892 yards with seven TDs and five interceptions.

He enrolled at Michigan a year ago after being voted Texas' Class 4A offensive player of the year. The 6-foot-7, 252-pound quarterback threw for more than 2,500 yards and 27 scores as a senior at Texarkana High School, where he was a three-year starter.
 

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It is understandable and admirable that West Virginians are proud of their school. Count me among those who think Rodriguez was the WVU football program.

Now that he's gone and taken virtually the entire coaching staff with him, WVU will soon sink to the depths currently inhabited by Notre Dame. Both soon to be joined by Hawaii.
 

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It is understandable and admirable that West Virginians are proud of their school. Count me among those who think Rodriguez was the WVU football program.

Now that he's gone and taken virtually the entire coaching staff with him, WVU will soon sink to the depths currently inhabited by Notre Dame. Both soon to be joined by Hawaii.

Honestly I think enough is enough. Fans of WVU, including myself, need to move on and stop bitching about him. He did the university wrong (not by leaving, but by how heleft and the circumstanes around it) but that is being looked into by the NCAA.

With the talent they have I cant see a considerable drop off in the next 2 years and the staff they seem to be putting together is going to be good. Lots of rumours but announcements will come by Monday.

We will see
 

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Player files went missing after Rodriguez took new job

This is getting very seamy and nasty. Cover up or normal? :shrug:

Report: Player files went missing after Rodriguez took new job

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Updated: January 15, 2008, 9:56 PM ET



West Virginia University said Tuesday it will investigate the disappearance of player and football program files found to be missing from the former office of ex-Mountaineers coach Rich Rodriguez.

Paperwork detailing every player on West Virginia's roster, as well as the program's activities over the past seven years, went missing between Rodriguez's resignation as coach to take over at Michigan and the team's return from the Fiesta Bowl, the Charleston (W.Va.) Gazette reported.

Mike Brown, agent for Rich Rodriguez, said Tuesday night that many of the claims made by a West Virginia athletic department source in the article are false.

After returning to work about a week ago, the staff at WVU's Puskar Center found that most of the files that had been stored in Rodriguez's office, as well as the players' strength and conditioning files in the weight room, were gone, the Gazette reported.

"It's unbelievable. Everything is gone, like it never existed,'' a source within the athletic department, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told the Gazette. "Good, bad or indifferent, we don't have a record of anything that has happened.''

Brown said that the school wouldn't need Rodriguez's copies of strength and conditioning files.

"The head coach and each assistant coach received hard copies of the strength progress," he said. "So I would think coach [Bill] Stewart and others would have those, too."

According to the source, the missing files include all of the players' personal files, which encompass contact information, scholarship money awarded, class attendance records and personal conduct records, the Gazette reported.

"If a player spoke to a school or did public service, we don't have a record of it,'' the source said, according to the newspaper. "If he broke a rule or missed class, we don't have a record of that, either. We don't have anything. All the good things these kids have done over the years, there's nothing -- not a picture of somebody speaking to a class, nothing. Why would somebody do that?''

Brown refuted that account.

"[Rodriguez] did not keep records for every player and academic records for the players are certainly on file at the school," he said

According to the report, multiple sources said several people in the Puskar Center reported seeing Rodriguez and at least one of his assistants, video coordinator Dusty Rutledge, in Rodriguez's private office shredding paperwork on Dec. 18 -- the day he returned from Ann Arbor after being named Michigan's new head coach. Those who say they witnessed the action said they either paid it no mind or did not know what was being destroyed, according to the report.

Brown said any files that are missing would be personal to Rodriguez.

"It is common knowledge that when a coach leaves a program certain items of a personal nature would always be discarded," he said.

WVU assistant athletic director Mike Fragale, reached by The Associated Press on Tuesday, declined to say what's in the files. He said the athletic department won't have any further comment until its investigation is finished.

West Virginia and Rodriguez are in the midst of a messy legal battle over his departure from Morgantown. The university is trying to recover $4 million from Rodriguez for leaving with six years remaining on his contract. Rodriguez, in turn, said West Virginia breached the contract by not fulfilling all of its terms of the deal.

ESPN college football reporter Joe Schad and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
 

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