Mike Bidwill & Kurt Warner Presser

[LDL]

The ceremony will be during halftime. Plan on getting a beer and using the men's room then you won't have to watch.

p.s. My dad, when he was a Little League coach in the 60's, DID put every kid, no matter how inept, in the game and made sure he batted at least once. His players loved him. You'd have hated him. He wouldn't have cared.

God Gawd, I just don't think he deserves it. BTW I coach little league, all of my kids bat and play. I also work them and help them get improve their game. They and their parents like the fact that help them to improve. keep flaming people, this is almost as fun as the antisocial clients I get in the ER...

 

[oaken1]

I can see ROH for Kurt...he helped the team and the organization shine....but I would not retire the number...save it for some kid in college who gets drafted here...plays 18 years in a Cards jersey...and wins a few Super Bowls with the team...

 

[LDL]

I can see ROH for Kurt...he helped the team and the organization shine....but I would not retire the number...save it for some kid in college who gets drafted here...plays 18 years in a Cards jersey...and wins a few Super Bowls with the team...

This I agree with.

 

[Jetstream Green]

The goal is to win a Championship, that is why the Cardinals take the field. I think if one does not want Warner in the Ring of Honor, it is because they are actually looking through the old sepia toned Cardinal colored glasses where playing your guts out for years for the team and never achieving anything is considered honorable. The fact is he gave the Cardinals honor in noted victories and not moral victories. Now the number thing I can agree with, but not stating he does not deserve a special place for taking us off the door mat and to the big dance... and I have been a Cardinal fan since the seventies with a deep appreciation for Hart and Lomax as well

 

[52brandon]

I don't necessarily agree with the ROH for Warner. He was a comet and we rode him on his path away from the sun. Call it four seasons starting, and only two of those posted winning records. Great QB, great guy, great teammate but it stinks of desperation to fill the ring up, get him now before someone else does kinda thing. Not flaming on the guy just don't agree with it.

You're insane. Did he only put 2 good seasons out there for us? Yes. But 1 was the SB, the other was a consecutive playoff berth. I don't believe we ever achieved either of those. I know no SB. But I don't think back-to-back playoffs either. And as soon as he stepped away, the team, that was minutes away from the Lombardi trophy, completely fell apart. He was absolutely crucial to proving that you CAN actually win in the desert. That mindset is a big building block that led to us building what we have now. We had a "shell-shocked has-been" take over this team and made us respectable. More than the great memories he gave us, his presence still effects the franchise today. He's still active in our community. The guy is the definition of a ROH player. He and AW should both get retired numbers for the leadership they've shown on each side of the ball, in the community, and made us believe in this team that was known for having more visitor fans than home fans, a laughingstock. We're good. We're winners. We wouldn't be without them

 

[TimTheToolmanTebow]

will Leinart and Whiz be there?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Should Whiz be in the ROH? He lead the Cards to their 1st SB and turned around a franchise with a terrible history. And, he did it with Rod Graves as GM.

Warner was a scrap heap mess of a QB when he arrived and Whiz got him back on his game. Everything that has been said about Warner in this thread could be said about Whisenhunt.

Btw, I have no problem with Warner being in the ROH.

 

[daves]

Warner was a scrap heap mess of a QB when he arrived and Whiz got him back on his game. Everything that has been said about Warner in this thread could be said about Whisenhunt.

... Except that Whiz (with Graves) presided over the descent of the team back into ineptitude and irrelevance as soon as Warner retired... then watched the team bounce back to playoff contention as soon as he (and Graves) were replaced.

BTW, i'm a big fan of Whiz and Warner and am looking forward to seeing Warner in the ROH. But while Whiz did a great job getting the Cardinals to the Super Bowl and another nice playoff run, his legacy in Arizona is hardly on the same level as Warner's.

...dave

 

[WisconsinCard]

I can see ROH for Kurt...he helped the team and the organization shine....but I would not retire the number...save it for some kid in college who gets drafted here...plays 18 years in a Cards jersey...and wins a few Super Bowls with the team...

So you're saying give it to Logan Thomas...

 

[BigRedRage]

I don't necessarily agree with the ROH for Warner. He was a comet and we rode him on his path away from the sun. Call it four seasons starting, and only two of those posted winning records. Great QB, great guy, great teammate but it stinks of desperation to fill the ring up, get him now before someone else does kinda thing. Not flaming on the guy just don't agree with it.

he took us further than we ever have been and without him, none of it would have happened.

He also shattered almost every single cardinals QB record. Best QB in teams almost 100 year history = ring of honor.

You're right. Cardinals colored glasses. He took a franchise that were perennial losers to the Superbowl. I don't care if he played 5 games and led them to the Superbowl, that's a Ring of Honor induction.

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Did Warner QB the Cardinals to the SB ? YEP !!!!

Have any other QB's led the Cardinals to SB ? NOPE !!!!

Is Warner worthy of the ROH ? YEP !!!

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Yea, you guys are right. Everyone deserves a trophy, runs don't count, there are no outs and everyone deserves a chance to bat...

not even close to that. This isnt your kid sister playing on your football team, this is the best QB we have ever had and the best seasons we ever had while he was orchastrating.

 

[Jim Otis]

I just can't see the time test disqualification , hell he was an old QB when he came here .
Some are pointing at him not giving us 10 -- 12 seasons , to them I say DAMMIT BOY !!!!!

 

[DemsMyBoys]

keep flaming people, this is almost as fun as the antisocial clients I get in the ER...

Glad I could add to making your day a happy one.

 

[cardncubfan]

I can see ROH for Kurt...he helped the team and the organization shine....but I would not retire the number...save it for some kid in college who gets drafted here...plays 18 years in a Cards jersey...and wins a few Super Bowls with the team...

This I agree with.

I agree with this as well.

 

[LDL]

To many to quote. So by your logic, if a RB posted 2 seasons of 2000 plus yards or a CB posted 12 plus interceptions for 2 seasons then they fell off the map they would deserve the ROH? Meh, whatever, I guess you need to see names up there more than I... You want to honor the man, I am fine with that, but not the number...

 

[BigRedRage]

To many to quote. So by your logic, if a RB posted 2 seasons of 2000 plus yards or a CB posted 12 plus interceptions for 2 seasons then they fell off the map they would deserve the ROH? Meh, whatever, I guess you need to see names up there more than I... You want to honor the man, I am fine with that, but not the number...

ring of honor does not retire numbers.

If the RB was the sole reason we were great and getting to superbowls, maybe. The RB would have also needed to set almost every RB record ever set with the franchise as well.

In his five years, Warner played in 61 games for the Cards with 57 starts. He completed 65.1 percent of his passes, threw for 15,853 yards (fourth in team history and more than he threw for while playing in St. Louis for the Rams) with 100 touchdown passes and 59 interceptions.
Warner holds the franchise record for completion percentage (65.1) and passing rating (91.9), as well as 300-yard games (22) and consecutive games with a touchdown pass (22). Warner's 2008 season featured team records in attempts (598), completions (401), completion percentage (67.1), passing rating (96.9) and touchdown passes (30).

 

[CardLogic]

Cardinal colored glasses. Don't get this wrong, he played some magical games, some of those so spectacular (and amazing, since he made all of that happen, pretty much by himself) that they are clinics on how a QB should play and lead, I guess I see the ROH as a legacy with the franchise, not a few years of playing your nuts off, and he did. I just see it differently than you and Bucky.

Edit: Not taking anything away from the guy, great man and does wonderful things for the community as well, just don't see the ROH as such...

So by your logic, if a RB posted 2 seasons of 2000 plus yards or a CB posted 12 plus interceptions for 2 seasons then they fell off the map they would deserve the ROH? Meh, whatever, I guess you need to see names up there more than I... You want to honor the man, I am fine with that, but not the number...

So I am guessing that you don't think that Tillman belongs there (ROH) either?

Point of clarification for everyone: Being placed in the ROH does not automatically include the retiring of that players number. And interestingly enought vice versa.

Cardinals retired numbers:
8 Larry Wilson 1960–1972 St. Louis
40 Pat Tillman 1998–2001 Arizona
77 Stan Mauldin 1946–1948 Chicago
88 J. V. Cain 1974–1978 St. Louis
99 Marshall Goldberg 1939–1943, 1946–1948 Chicago

Mauldin and Cain are not on the ROH.


By the way, one player that IMO should be in the ROH but is not - Jackie Smith.

 

[Duckjake]

lol

Yea, taking the Cards to within minutes of a Super Bowl title, winning probably the greatest postseason game in NFL history against the Pack, numerous other spectacular games & being an unselfish athlete with his time off the football field is an act of desperation...NOT!!!

Karlos Dansby?

 

[Duckjake]

ring of honor does not retire numbers.

If the RB was the sole reason we were great and getting to superbowls, maybe. The RB would have also needed to set almost every RB record ever set with the franchise as well.

Neil Lomax still has the single season passing yards record with 4,614 in 1984. and its going to be hard to catch Jim Hart's career passing totals. A QB would have to throw for over 4000 yards a year for 8 years to catch him.

Jim Hart, 18 years with the Cardinals. Still hard to believe.

Personally I think "5-11" should be in the ROH.

 

[Cheesebeef]

... Except that Whiz (with Graves) presided over the descent of the team back into ineptitude and irrelevance as soon as Warner retired... then watched the team bounce back to playoff contention as soon as he (and Graves) were replaced.

BTW, i'm a big fan of Whiz and Warner and am looking forward to seeing Warner in the ROH. But while Whiz did a great job getting the Cardinals to the Super Bowl and another nice playoff run, his legacy in Arizona is hardly on the same level as Warner's.

...dave

but couldn't you say the same thing about Warner's tenure BEFORE Wiz? Wiz didn't win without Warner and the team became atrocious, but Warner and the team were atrocious for 2 years without Wiz as well.

I think it's only fair that they go hand in hand into the ROH.

 

[52brandon]

To many to quote. So by your logic, if a RB posted 2 seasons of 2000 plus yards or a CB posted 12 plus interceptions for 2 seasons then they fell off the map they would deserve the ROH? Meh, whatever, I guess you need to see names up there more than I... You want to honor the man, I am fine with that, but not the number...

Uh... He didn't "fall off the map" after those 2 great season. He retired. Whiz had 2 great seasons, then fell off the map, when Warner retired coincidentally. The guy was old, brought in for depth, and instead did what he did. He deserves it

 

[Austin Zonie]

but couldn't you say the same thing about Warner's tenure BEFORE Wiz? Wiz didn't win without Warner and the team became atrocious, but Warner and the team were atrocious for 2 years without Wiz as well.



I think it's only fair that they go hand in hand into the ROH.

Agree with this. The two will forever be linked and share the credit to that SB run.


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[Cardiac]

LDL. I understand your point and it made me thing about this. As the posts came you did agree that Warner should be added to the ROH but not his number retired and I agree with you.

Warner has some FANTASTIC seasons as a QB in the NFL but they pale in comparison to what a great human being he is. ROH and Hall of Fame may not take that into account but I BELIEVE they should.

KW is probably my favorite all time NFL player because of his abilities but even more so because of who he is as a person. Pat Tillman and Kurt Warner are hands down my favorite Cards players.

 

[NeverSayDieFan]

I have a great deal of respect for...

Kurt Warner the football player...and Kurt Warner the man.

People will debate the well-deserved or not but it's an excellent PR move if nothing else. (ie; national audience, etc.)

Mark in SC

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Meh. Warner didn't do it on his own. How many more from those teams (the SB season and the following season) are deserving of the ROH?

 

[Gee!]

Meh. Warner didn't do it on his own. How many more from those teams (the SB season and the following season) are deserving of the ROH?

For sure:

Adrian Wilson
Larry Fitzgerald
Darnell Dockett

Those three are a lock for the Ring of Honor..