Mike Grundy Goes Crazy

[Gee!]

Goes crazy on the media I mean..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5VytIZZzee0

 

[82CardsGrad]

Right on Mike Gundy!! More college coaches should "freak out" on the media like that!!

 

[Rivercard]

Right on Mike Gundy!! More college coaches should "freak out" on the media like that!!

Gundy comes across as a complete bufoon. I guess the poor wittle quarterback is just a baby and needs to be coddled. Sorry, but if being criticized in the local paper is too much for a 20-some year old "kid" to handle, feel free to give back your scholarship - I'm sure there are others who would love the opportunity.

 

[Mulli]

I loved it. My hypothetical kid could play for him.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Gundy comes across as a complete bufoon. I guess the poor wittle quarterback is just a baby and needs to be coddled. Sorry, but if being criticized in the local paper is too much for a 20-some year old "kid" to handle, feel free to give back your scholarship - I'm sure there are others who would love the opportunity.

 

[Gaddabout]

It's Division I football! It's the Big 12! It ain't intramurals! Go play intramurals, brother … go play intramurals

 

[Rivercard]

It's Division I football! It's the Big 12! It ain't intramurals! Go play intramurals, brother … go play intramurals

Indeed. And there are plenty of nice and friendly flag football games at the park. You won't get your little feelings hurt there.

 

[Gaddabout]

Indeed. And there are plenty of nice and friendly flag football games at the park. You won't get your little feelings hurt there.

Wasn't actually my quote. Maybe Gundy needs to have a conversation with Dan Hawkins, who *really* knows how to put on a press conference rant.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

rivercard - did you read the article in question?

reporter was way out of line and deserved to be called out - no need to run up on these kids who bring in way more $$ than they take out with their scholarships

if you think the kids sucks, blame the coaches for bad recruiting

if you think someone else should be starting, question the coaches for their decision making

if a player is doing things off the field (or on) that are not appropriate blast away

however if a kid is showing up and doing what they are supposed to no need to rail on them - classless to pretty much call this kid a mommas boy sissy who doesn't have enough guts to be a good QB

 

[Gee!]

Im actually tired now of seeing this on tv every half hour..

 

[Gee!]

When does ripping a 21 year become ripping a kid? More I think about it the more I think Gundy went overboard..

 

[Mulli]

When does ripping a 21 year become ripping a kid? More I think about it the more I think Gundy went overboard..

I have been thinking the same thing today.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

21 yrs old is still pretty much a kid - especially at the collegiate level

aside from age you have to look at expected responsibilities - these are unpaid students who get a scholarship to play a game - in sports like football the program makes more than the scholarship is worth and in all cases is fair compensation for the amount of time and effort that they need to dedicate to performing for their student body

really the only expectation on these students should be to work hard and represent the university well

 

[Gee!]

In Gundys program does he give all his players "Your A Winner" ribbons even if they didnt come in first place?

Sometimes you just gotta quit coddling people..

 

[MigratingOsprey]

what he does in the locker room as coach is his business - the performance of the program is his responsibility along with the athletic department

if you don't feel he's doing a good job -rip him, he's the paid professional here

as long as the athletes are doing what they are supposed to be doing as student athletes then don't rip them - it's not necessary -especially in bush league way this chick went about it

 

[Gee!]

what he does in the locker room as coach is his business - the performance of the program is his responsibility along with the athletic department

if you don't feel he's doing a good job -rip him, he's the paid professional here

as long as the athletes are doing what they are supposed to be doing as student athletes then don't rip them - it's not necessary -especially in bush league way this chick went about it

Well, she appearently asked him what 3/4ths of her story was wrong and she'd correct it in her next article.. Gundy then said he didnt wanna talk about it.. Why not? He made a spectecal of himself on Saturday calling her out then when she says she'll correct it, he just wants it to go away?

 

[MigratingOsprey]

i would guess the parts about saying he took himself out of games due to minor injuries, that he couldn't start he would transfer which ended up blackmailing the school to keep him and then worthless things like taking an old quote where he admits he gets nervous before games to question his guts and the whole conjecture about his mother feeding him chicken

his response was a "don't feed the trolls" kind of thing in MB speak

 

[Rivercard]

i would guess the parts about saying he took himself out of games due to minor injuries, that he couldn't start he would transfer which ended up blackmailing the school to keep him and then worthless things like taking an old quote where he admits he gets nervous before games to question his guts and the whole conjecture about his mother feeding him chicken

his response was a "don't feed the trolls" kind of thing in MB speak

That's a lot of guessing.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

yeah on her part as well - unless of course she's hanging with the training staff on the medical side, sitting the ADs and coaches offices to discuss transfers and has some kind of scientific method setup to determine how well this kid can control his nerves

about the only thing she could substantiate is that he was fed by him mom - which is about as irrelevant as anything else she has to say

it was a pure trash article

 

[ajcardfan]

I thought what he did was awesome. Questioning a college players manhood is definitely a low blow. And, once it's out there, there is no way to take it back. People who follow that program will NEVER forget it. What Gundy did was about the only way it could really be corrected.


I'd let my kid play for him anytime.

 

[Kolo]

I have no clue whether the reporter acted badly, but she did Mike Grundy a huge favor. I'm sure his team loves him, and random people like me know who he is.

 

[Rivercard]

I'm sure his team loves him.

I'm not sure how I would feel. If I were the 22 year old "kid" I think I may have been emberrassed by my coach playing the role of mommy the protector saying my "heart was broken". Has anyone heard from the QB yet? He can defend himself can't he?

 

[Gee!]

I'm not sure how I would feel. If I were the 22 year old "kid" I think I may have been emberrassed by my coach playing the role of mommy the protector saying my "heart was broken". Has anyone heard from the QB yet? He can defend himself can't he?

No he's just a kid..

 

[Southpaw]

Mike Gundy took the low road IMHO. I find it perplexing that fans and rfeporters are free to idolize and canonize coaches and players, yet it is oh so wrong to criticize one. It is the big time boys.



Try Pat Forde from ESPN

Coaches Losing It
Congratulations to Oklahoma State's Mike Gundy (16), who showed he can be Bob Knight without the titles after his tantrum in response to a column by the Oklahoman's Jenni Carlson. In the Saturday paper, she questioned the toughness of quarterback Bobby Reid, who'd been benched by Gundy the previous week. Gundy responded by losing his mind after one of the few big victories in his 28-game career as a head coach, a shootout upset of Texas Tech.

On Monday, a completely unapologetic Gundy said it was "unfortunate" that his 3-minute, 20-second tirade took away from his team's victory. Of course, that was his fault, since he deemed trashing a reporter more important than acknowledging the Cowboys' performance.

Coaches have the right to take issue with journalists, and to do it in public. That's part of the job for a columnist to take what he/she dishes out. But this was such a shrill overreaction that the message was lost amid the screaming.

One of Gundy's big complaints was negative treatment of a "kid" who is not being paid to play the game. But coaches never object to the tens of thousands of fans fawning over that kid, the tutors arranged to help him maintain minimum eligibility standards, the training table meals he eats, the tricked-up locker room he changes in -- or the positive press most players receive most of the time. Hero worship is expected and encouraged; criticism is child abuse. It's quite the double standard.

(For the record, Reid is 21 years old. He was old enough to vote in the 2004 presidential election or to die in Iraq. But few people are afforded the means to grow up more slowly than major-college athletes.)

"Come after me!" Gundy bellowed directly at Carlson. "I'm a man! I'm 40!"

OK, if you insist. The Dash will go after Gundy.

The great orator said that the column in question was shown to him, "by a mother. A mother of children."

As opposed to a mother of walruses, presumably.

Gundy went on to say that 75 percent of the column was fabricated. He took issue with two points in the column. So maybe math isn't his specialty.

Anyway, The Dash hopes Gundy felt like a big man when it was over. Next time an ounce of professional decorum would be appreciated. Until then, try to worry more about improving that 13-15 career record that includes seven victories over Sun Belt and I-AA opposition.

(By the way: Gundy says he doesn't read the newspapers. It's The Dash's experience that the majority of coaches who say they don't read the newspapers are lying.)

 

[Southpaw]

Ms. Jenni Carlson's follow up column.

Tue September 25, 2007
THE COLUMNIST: Carlson stands by her facts, citing sources, observations

By Jenni Carlson
Staff Writer
STILLWATER — I finally got a follow-up question.

Two days ago, Mike Gundy launched a verbal tirade on yours truly. The Oklahoma State football coach took offense to my Saturday column about Bobby Reid. When Gundy was still talking sense, before he went completely ballistic, he contended that the column was fiction.


"Three-fourths of this is inaccurate,” he said.

Then about three minutes later, Gundy stormed out. No questions. No rebuttals.

Monday at Oklahoma State's weekly news conference, I had a chance to ask the question that's been eating at me ever since:

You contended three-fourths of that column was inaccurate; could you tell me what those factual errors were?

"I don't have to,” he said.

Our paper has a policy of correcting errors, and I can't do that if I don't know what the errors were.

"I don't have to,” Gundy said again. "I'd rather just let it go.”

I'd rather let it go, too, but by disputing the facts in my column, Gundy attacked my credibility.

These were not wild accusations. They are facts that came from sources and observations. I will not stand on the sidelines and allow someone to attack my credibility.

Anyone who's involved with producing a product, any product, can understand.

Let's say you're making and selling widgets, and the widget maker across the street goes out on the corner and tells everyone passing by that your widgets are faulty. Seventy-five percent of them don't work, he says. You know it's not true.

What would you do?

Take it?

Of course not. You'd want your next-door widget maker to substantiate those claims or back off of them.

That's what I wanted.

Gundy was asked on at least three separate occasions Monday — once by me and two other times by other journalists — to expand on his contention that the facts in the column were inaccurate. Did Reid never consider transferring, for example? Did he play through injuries like coaches wanted? Gundy has yet to argue any facts specifically.

Gundy has only attempted to dispute one thing in the column. Saturday night, he said Cowboy coaches didn't start Reid over Donovan Woods in 2005 because Reid threatened to transfer.

I never said that they did.

Here's what I said: "Reid has considered transferring a couple different times, the first as early as 2005. Reid, then a redshirt freshman, was facing competition from returner Donovan Woods, and apparently, Reid considered leaving OSU just because he had to compete for the spot.”

I feel as adamant about the facts in that column as Gundy did in his belief that his player shouldn't have been so scrutinized.

That is a reasonable and healthy debate. How much should college athletes be scrutinized?

High school athletes are treated differently from college athletes. Pro athletes are treated differently still. In general, athletes are more scrutinized the higher they climb.

There are shades of gray, though, in college athletics. A fourth- or fifth-year player is held more accountable for on-field performance than a freshman. A college football player at a big-time school is scrutinized more, too, because football is just a different beast.

The idea of "amateurs” playing big-time college football is novel but naive these days. College football is the minor leagues for pro football. It isn't quite professional, but it isn't still amateur, either. The money and the attention and the importance shade it more toward the professional level.

Reid, as a fourth-year player and a 21-year-old man, leans more toward the upper end of that scale.

Now, I didn't write that column Saturday to embarrass Bobby Reid. He has been a super kid to deal with, and frankly, I've thought highly of his ability. Heck, I wrote last year that I thought he might be the second coming of Vince Young.

No, the reason for my column Saturday was because of one lingering question — why have the Cowboys, who so adamantly backed Reid, suddenly switched course, benched the biggest recruit to ever sign with the program and jumped full speed ahead with Zac Robinson?

Again, my answer came from sources and observations.

I stand by those facts.

Gundy has said three-fourths of them are wrong, but I'm waiting to hear the argument against even one.

Jenni Carlson can be reached via e-mail at [email protected].